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ABM said:
I agree. And yet, there are constant reminders out there that I'm supposed to be shameful that I'm a privileged white male.
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The whole point is that you don't have to be shameful, no one except Tucker Carlson and the rest of those goofballs are telling you that. You just have to realized and acknowledge. Instead you chose to deny and be prideful. It's ok to be everything you are and still recognize that others have it harder for reasons you can't fully understand unless you have lived their lives, and race does play a part in that.
 
ABM said:
I agree. And yet, there are constant reminders out there that I'm supposed to be shameful that I'm a privileged white male.
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You don't have to feel shameful, just be aware.
 
Chris Craig said:
You don't have to feel shameful, just be aware.
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I'm aware And my focus is supporting efforts to bring encouragement and resources to the next generation. It's all about the kids.
 
RR7 said:
I think he thinks that because there was a black president, he should have solved all the problems of the black people. Hundreds and hundreds of years dismantled with the flick of a pen of a black president.
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No, what I said was that it would occur to me that Obama would've done things to help make things better. It's what he ran on. Change. In my opinion, he didn't do a blessed thing.
 
donkiez said:
What are you all doing in your personal lives to ensure rich white people are treated fairly?

I donate a portion of my paycheck to the IRS. They are a reputable organization that ensures that all rich white people get the benefits and treatment they deserve. If you have not heard of them, I suggest you spend some time researching this organization. This absolves me of all guilt and responsibility I have towards the situation and allows me to live my life in my own bubble, free of further thought on the subject.
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My conservative Black friends would chuckle. Really, they would.
 
ABM said:
My conservative Black friends would chuckle. Really, they would.
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And in your opinion the represent all black people everywhere? All native Americans and all Latinos? Women and transgender and people of all sexuality? Of all education status, immigrants and native born?
 
And you cite Tucker Carlson, an overt white supremacist. He cries about how white people, the real Americans, are being "replaced" by people of color. Remember the pro Trump Nazis in Charlottesville chanting "Jews will not replace us"? He has embraced open fascists.
And then play victim because you choose to associate with this ultra privileged racist.
 
When chuckling over these subjects with your black conservative friends, it's worth keeping in mind that some people will tell you what they think you want to hear. This is done for self defense or increased social or professional status reasons. For instance I have a few friends who think I am pro gun, I value their friendship for other reasosns so I see no need to correct them as it would most likely taint our relationship. In our forum setting I can show more of my specific personal feelings on subjects without risk of negative social interactions, I am not usually this honest or snarky on person. I think the Japanese call it private face, family face and public face. Some people are better at it than others because they have to be.
 
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ABM said:
I agree. And yet, there are constant reminders out there that I'm supposed to be shameful that I'm a privileged white male.
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Yeah, I don't think so. There are some people who think that way, but most people don't.

You should feel uncomfortable about it, obviously. White Americans have benefited immensely from the suffering of minorities. If that didn't make you feel uncomfortable there would have to be something wrong with you.

But that's also why supporting equal access to healthcare and education are so important.
 
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ABM said:
I agree. And yet, there are constant reminders out there that I'm supposed to be shameful that I'm a privileged white male.
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Are there? People make you feel ashamed? Constantly? You really think you are constantly reminded and told you are to be ashamed of being white? Hm. This sounds like regurgitation of Tucker and Cruz and those fools. Think for yourself.
 
ABM cries about being told he has privilege. How does he think Black people feel when white mobs scream at teachers and school boards not to teach anything about Black history? Furious white mobs threatening violence? How does he think LGBTQ students feel about DeathSantis pushing don't say gay law?
I can tell him how I felt as a Jewish child when I was expected to join my class singing songs with lyrics like "Oh come let us adore him, Christ our lord". I doubt if he cares. Probably glad that I got the shit beat out of me in playground because I refused to sing it. At age seven.
 
donkiez said:
And in your opinion the represent all black people everywhere? All native Americans and all Latinos? Women and transgender and people of all sexuality? Of all education status, immigrants and native born?
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I never asked. Should I?
 
Phatguysrule said:
Yeah, I don't think so. There are some people who think that way, but most people don't.

You should feel uncomfortable about it, obviously. White Americans have benefited immensely from the suffering of minorities. If that didn't make you feel uncomfortable there would have to be something wrong with you.

But that's also why supporting equal access to healthcare and education are so important.
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OK, once we get past the "feeling uncomfortable part", then what? From all I've been reading in here from folks who shared what their next steps might be, I'm pretty much doing those exact same things! In other words, I'm not focusing nor participating in the uncomfortable, privileged, etc., aspects. I realize all the historical stuff. I'm all about treating Blacks, anyone, really, just as myself. I haven't had issues taking that approach.

Jesus was once asked the most important commandment:

35 One of them, an expert in religious law, tried to trap him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the most important commandment in the law of Moses?”
37 Jesus replied, “‘You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.’38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments.” ~Matthew 22:35-40
 
You go, Ron!

https://www.foxnews.com/media/florida-ron-desantis-media-criticism-clay-travis-covid

Clay Travis on liberal media slamming Florida's COVID response: Americans 'voting with their feet'
Florida tourism surges to pre-pandemic levels despite media criticism of Ron DeSantis

CLAY TRAVIS: Ron DeSantis was right. If the rest of the country had done everything that Ron DeSantis said and did in Florida, we'd be in a much better place. Remember, we're still millions of jobs away from where we were in February before COVID restrictions and pandemic response began. People are voting with their feet. It's not only that Florida is setting all-time tourism records, it's that they are overwhelmingly experiencing growth. And much of that growth is coming from New York, from California, from Illinois, from states with the most restrictive COVID policies.
 
ABM said:
OK, once we get past the "feeling uncomfortable part", then what? From all I've been reading in here from folks who shared what their next steps might be, I'm pretty much doing those exact same things! In other words, I'm not focusing nor participating in the uncomfortable, privileged, etc., aspects. I realize all the historical stuff. I'm all about treating Blacks, anyone, really, just as myself. I haven't had issues taking that approach.

Jesus was once asked the most important commandment:

35 One of them, an expert in religious law, tried to trap him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the most important commandment in the law of Moses?”
37 Jesus replied, “‘You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.’38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments.” ~Matthew 22:35-40
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Why would you get passed feeling uncomfortable when thinking about benefitting from the torture of other people?

We can't even begin to get over that until we are no longer benefitting from that mistreatment.

Which means we have to acknowledge it and address it. What you are currently doing is neither. It must be systemic change. There is no foundation or group who can do it.

Only by supporting policies and leaders who would address these problems can we hope to move past them.
 
Woodson Center has been very active in pushing don't make white people uncomfortable laws. Don't make white people uncomfortable, don't say gay, ban abortion. ABM's dream for sure.
 
Phatguysrule said:
So, again, while that may make some people feel good it's not helpful on a large scale. In fact, it may even be a harmful distraction.
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OK, you go with that. That's OK.
 
ABM said:
OK, you go with that. That's OK.
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You certainly have the right to advocate against the interests of the persecuted.

It's not ok, but you do have that right.

But if you're going to push that garbage you should expect to be called out for it.

Advocating for policies, programs, and leaders which encourage inequality is just asking for it.
 
ABM said:
Just how am I doing that, again?
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By pushing the propaganda you have been pushing.

Telling minorities that they don't have as much because they haven't worked hard enough for it is incredibly counterproductive.
 
ABM said:
OK, once we get past the "feeling uncomfortable part", then what? From all I've been reading in here from folks who shared what their next steps might be, I'm pretty much doing those exact same things! In other words, I'm not focusing nor participating in the uncomfortable, privileged, etc., aspects. I realize all the historical stuff. I'm all about treating Blacks, anyone, really, just as myself. I haven't had issues taking that approach.

Jesus was once asked the most important commandment:

35 One of them, an expert in religious law, tried to trap him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the most important commandment in the law of Moses?”
37 Jesus replied, “‘You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.’38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments.” ~Matthew 22:35-40
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Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. (Matthew 7:1-2)
 
Phatguysrule said:
By pushing the propaganda you have been pushing.

Telling minorities that they don't have as much because they haven't worked hard enough for it is incredibly counterproductive.
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Not true.
 
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