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ABM said:
I sensed that you sense I have a micro view of the situation. What's your macro solution?
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Improve our gini coefficient. Increase access to education, Healthcare and social safety net. Also, reform our policing and prison systems to focus more on recovery and education.

I answered your question.
Would you please explain how the Woodson Center specifically addresses systemic racism? Or racism in general?
 
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Phatguysrule said:
Would you please explain how the Woodson Center specifically addresses systemic racism? Or racism in general?
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1. Get money from the Heritage Foundation.

2. Use that money to get donations from people like ABM.

3. Send donors t-shirts

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4. Spend a tiny bit of that money to say there is no racism.

5. Profit!
 
Phatguysrule said:
Would you please explain how the Woodson Center specifically addresses systemic racism? Or racism in general?
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In and of itself, it doesn't. And I never pretended that it did. That said, I'm doing things within my immediate control, such as supporting a wonderful organization, that works to help solve these issues at the local levels.
 
ABM said:
In and of itself, it doesn't. And I never pretended that it did. That said, I'm doing things within my immediate control, such as supporting a wonderful organization, that works to help solve these issues at the local levels.
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These issues can't be solved that way. So if you're supporting policies at the national level which undermine local efforts which can't be effective anyway... I dunno man...
 
Phatguysrule said:
These issues can't be solved that way. So if you're supporting policies at the national level which undermine local efforts which can't be effective anyway... I dunno man...
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Never said they did. I'm more concerned/involved with the local level than the national level....and there's nothing wrong with that. Still doing my part.
 
Phatguysrule said:
These issues can't be solved that way. So if you're supporting policies at the national level which undermine local efforts which can't be effective anyway... I dunno man...
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You have got to be soaked to the skin right now, because trying to have an in depth discussion with a certain poster is like pissing into the wind. I had to take a break to put on some dry pants and get away from the stink……
 
ABM said:
Never said they did. I'm more concerned/involved with the local level than the national level....and there's nothing wrong with that. Still doing my part.
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So, let me get this straight.

You never said the issue of racism could be solved by local efforts, and your not concerned with and in fact support policies at the national levels that undermine what you claim to be doing at the local level, which doesn't solve anything as you never said they would, but you are doing your part?
 
Chris Craig said:
So, let me get this straight.

You never said the issue of racism could be solved by local efforts, and your not concerned with and in fact support policies at the national levels that undermine what you claim to be doing at the local level, which doesn't solve anything as you never said they would, but you are doing your part?
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1) Local efforts are a GREAT way to eventually solve racism. As I had mentioned, it begins with the kids, who then become adults, who then can help make decisions at the national level. It ain't happening overnight, and I never said it would.

2) Yes, I feel like I'm doing my part at the local level.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
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Heh, the Jews at that time (the ones who killed Jesus were no police state. They were pretty much controlled by one, though - the Romans - who wanted no part of executing Jesus. In fact, they offered Jesus to be freed (and annual mercy release). The Jewish people wanted no part of that and instead had the Romans release Barabbas, a well known insurrectionist.
 
I am not ignorant. I know Jesus was an observant Jew. Didn't stop his followers from massacring Jews. Or enslaving. Or storming the Capitol.
 
ABM said:
1) Local efforts are a GREAT way to eventually solve racism. As I had mentioned, it begins with the kids, who then become adults, who then can help make decisions at the national level. It ain't happening overnight, and I never said it would.
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Again, how? How are they helping at the local level?
 
ABM said:
Heh, the Jews at that time (the ones who killed Jesus were no police state. They were pretty much controlled by one, though - the Romans - who wanted no part of executing Jesus. In fact, they offered Jesus to be freed (and annual mercy release). The Jewish people wanted no part of that and instead had the Romans release Barabbas, a well known insurrectionist.
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The politics and motives don't really matter. He was killed by a police state.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Again, how? How are they helping at the local level?
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Wouldn't you agree this is helping at the local level? This is just one example.

https://woodsoncenter.org/how-we-help/grassroots-empowerment/


Many individuals and organizations want to implement the Woodson Center approach to addressing social problems, but they need help to identify and engage with the appropriate grassroots leaders in their community. Woodson Center consultants have extensive experience finding and training such leaders while drawing on an established nationwide network of referrals and relationships, including, but not limited to CAN and VBMU.

Unlike organizations that view all low-income individuals through the lens of dysfunction, Woodson Center consultants identify and build on established success in the areas of upward mobility, violence prevention, educational excellence, vocational training, addiction treatment, and much more. They are able to conduct preliminary research, travel to the community, conduct fact-finding missions, compile data and prepare reports for interested clients. The result is a direct impact on target communities and often support for and expansion of our CAN and VBMU networks.
 
Phatguysrule said:
The politics and motives don't really matter. He was killed by a police state.
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He was killed by a religious sect...who rabble-roused the local Jewish community.

Then the entire council took Jesus to Pilate, the Roman governor. 2They began to state their case: “This man has been leading our people astray by telling them not to pay their taxes to the Roman government and by claiming he is the Messiah, a king.”

3So Pilate asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?”

Jesus replied, “You have said it.”

4Pilate turned to the leading priests and to the crowd and said, “I find nothing wrong with this man!”

5Then they became insistent. “But he is causing riots by his teaching wherever he goes—all over Judea, from Galilee to Jerusalem!”

6“Oh, is he a Galilean?” Pilate asked. 7When they said that he was, Pilate sent him to Herod Antipas, because Galilee was under Herod’s jurisdiction, and Herod happened to be in Jerusalem at the time.

8Herod was delighted at the opportunity to see Jesus, because he had heard about him and had been hoping for a long time to see him perform a miracle. 9He asked Jesus question after question, but Jesus refused to answer. 10Meanwhile, the leading priests and the teachers of religious law stood there shouting their accusations. 11Then Herod and his soldiers began mocking and ridiculing Jesus. Finally, they put a royal robe on him and sent him back to Pilate. 12(Herod and Pilate, who had been enemies before, became friends that day.)

13Then Pilate called together the leading priests and other religious leaders, along with the people, 14and he announced his verdict. “You brought this man to me, accusing him of leading a revolt. I have examined him thoroughly on this point in your presence and find him innocent. 15Herod came to the same conclusion and sent him back to us. Nothing this man has done calls for the death penalty. 16So I will have him flogged, and then I will release him.”a

18Then a mighty roar rose from the crowd, and with one voice they shouted, “Kill him, and release Barabbas to us!” 19(Barabbas was in prison for taking part in an insurrection in Jerusalem against the government, and for murder.) 20Pilate argued with them, because he wanted to release Jesus. 21But they kept shouting, “Crucify him! Crucify him!”

22For the third time he demanded, “Why? What crime has he committed? I have found no reason to sentence him to death. So I will have him flogged, and then I will release him.”

23But the mob shouted louder and louder, demanding that Jesus be crucified, and their voices prevailed. 24So Pilate sentenced Jesus to die as they demanded. 25As they had requested, he released Barabbas, the man in prison for insurrection and murder. But he turned Jesus over to them to do as they wished. ~Luke 23:1-25
 
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ABM said:
Wouldn't you agree this is helping at the local level? This is just one example.

https://woodsoncenter.org/how-we-help/grassroots-empowerment/


Many individuals and organizations want to implement the Woodson Center approach to addressing social problems, but they need help to identify and engage with the appropriate grassroots leaders in their community. Woodson Center consultants have extensive experience finding and training such leaders while drawing on an established nationwide network of referrals and relationships, including, but not limited to CAN and VBMU.

Unlike organizations that view all low-income individuals through the lens of dysfunction, Woodson Center consultants identify and build on established success in the areas of upward mobility, violence prevention, educational excellence, vocational training, addiction treatment, and much more. They are able to conduct preliminary research, travel to the community, conduct fact-finding missions, compile data and prepare reports for interested clients. The result is a direct impact on target communities and often support for and expansion of our CAN and VBMU networks.
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Not really... This is like the lottery. Some kids are lucky enough to get help, but the vast majority are not.

It's a distraction (as you have proven by using it as an excuse to support harmful national legislation) and a misallocation of resources which would be far more effective if applied to support the nation policies you have publicly opposed.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Not really... This is like the lottery. Some kids are lucky enough to get help, but the vast majority are not.

It's a distraction (as you have proven by using it as an excuse to support harmful national legislation) and a misallocation of resources which would be far more effective if applied to support the nation policies you have publicly opposed.
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I'm cool doing what I'm doing. Thanks.
 
ABM said:
I'm cool doing what I'm doing. Thanks.
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I realize you are cool with it. Spending money to make yourself feel better about supporting harmful legislation is what orgs like that rely on.

As long as you feel good about it, unlimited oppression is acceptable.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I realize you are cool with it. Spending money to make yourself feel better about supporting harmful legislation is what orgs like that rely on.
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I highly doubt that's what motivates them, but you seem pretty sure of yourself, so you go with that.
 
ABM said:
I highly doubt that's what motivates them, but you seem pretty sure of yourself, so you go with that.
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I don't really care about their motivations, just their impact. Which is without question incredibly negative.
 
ABM said:
Hardly. But again, it's your opinion.

BTW, 1776 Unites is affiliated with The Woodson Center. Here's a recent report from Johns Hopkins Institute for Education. Doesn't appear to convey potential negative impact......at all.

https://1776unites.com/essays/johns...ives-top-marks-to-the-1776-unites-curriculum/
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I don't see how that changes anything we've discussed so far. 1776 Unites seems to support whitewashing history as well... I'm not an fan.
This points to more nefarious motives than I had feared.
 
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