OT Why Never Trumpers Should Bet on DeSantis Now

[julius]

Let's not argue....I've already answered that question to you. We don't know what they'd call themselves at all but millions of immigrants from europe did call themselves white...as well as north africans.....it's ok if you think those folks are not "white" to you...to me they are ...but Barack Obama who also had a white parent or Halley Berry aren't called white like Louis CK
because of pigmentation, not ethnicity

you're making a weird argument here. Enes looks Turkish. His parents are Turkish. He is Turkish. Turks are not considered white by anyone.

Someone who has turkish ancestry can, if they've widened the gene pool, etc...but Enes does not look white.

 

[riverman]

you're making a weird argument here. Enes looks Turkish. His parents are Turkish. He is Turkish. Turks are not considered white by anyone.

Someone who has turkish ancestry can, if they've widened the gene pool, etc...but Enes does not look white.

I didn't make the argument...I asked that we agree to disagree and not argue..you see the world through a different lense than I do apparently and that's fine. My son is mixed race and people think he's white..My oldest son looks like his dark mother and people think he's Mexican......as I said, Obama and Halley Berry are not called white even though they have a white mother. Only because of the color of their skin....

 

[julius]

I didn't make the argument...I asked that we agree to disagree and not argue..you see the world through a different lense than I do apparently and that's fine. My son is mixed race and people think he's white.....as I said, Obama and Halley Berry are not called white even though they have a white mother. Only because of the color of their skin....

Enes is seen as a Turk, not as a white. It's laughable you say otherwise.

 

[riverman]

Enes is seen as a Turk, not as a white. It's laughable you say otherwise.

He's famous and had political situations that highlighted his nationality...he is a Turk and that's his nationality ...a fair skinned Turk.....my children aren't famous but it's not laughable that one of my son's is looked at as white and the other as Mexican because of skin tone....you can laugh about that...personally I don't find it funny...we're at an impasse here

 

[julius]

He's famous and had political situations that highlighted his nationality...he is a Turk and that's his nationality ...a fair skinned Turk.....my children aren't famous but it's not laughable that one of my son's is looked at as white and the other as Mexican because of skin tone....you can laugh about that...personally I don't find it funny

What does him being famous have to do with anything!?

Tiger Woods is famous, he's light skinned, is he white?

I'm laughing that instead of going "ooh yeah, Sirhan Sirhan wouldn't be considered white by Americans" you went with the "well, in Africa he would be!"

Well, in certain parts of Africa I'd be considered short and rich, doesn't mean in the US those are true.

What about Diego Luna? Is he white? his skin tone is kinda light. What about Oscar Isaac?

Both of those guys look more "white" than Enes does, and they're both famous.

What about Mandy Patinkin, is he white? He's famous, light skinned and "looks white"...

 

[Bingo Bango]

white privilege is the most stubborn political party in the country....to use the anti-white card is to cling onto that culture that kept America segregated all these centuries...and the spike in crime is filled with "white" heavily armed whack jobs...if you didn't live through the civil rights movement in the 60s...you don 't remember the martial law Nixon put on the streets to counter largely white college student protests...see Kent State ...the assassinations of a president, his brother and the greatest civil rights speaker of our age...all killed by "white" people..the KKK is filled with "white people" I think the pattern is clear.....I was a teacher, I'm white and I'm interracially married so that whole White vs Other people is the biggest load of fearful bullshit ever spouted about a country that should represent equal opportunity and freedom of belief. You can parent however you like unless you live in Florida or Texas where the history books are again being "whitewashed" The government didn't raise my children or grandchildren....if they raise yours...you're not paying attention to them. Ethnicity has zero to do with nationality.

“White privilege” is a racist construct the left has embraced to further their political agenda. They wouldn’t dream of attacking any other race this way, but they think white people deserve it, so what the hell. The race war is only made worse by such labels, but the left doesn’t care. They’ve completely abandoned MLK’s famous observation that we should judge people solely by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin.

 

[riverman]

What does him being famous have to do with anything!?

Tiger Woods is famous, he's light skinned, is he white?

I'm laughing that instead of going "ooh yeah, Sirhan Sirhan wouldn't be considered white by Americans" you went with the "well, in Africa he would be!"

Well, in certain parts of Africa I'd be considered short and rich, doesn't mean in the US those are true.

What about Diego Luna? Is he white? his skin tone is kinda light. What about Oscar Isaac?

Both of those guys look more "white" than Enes does, and they're both famous.

What about Mandy Patinkin, is he white? He's famous, light skinned and "looks white"...

I'm not going to color code the world for you here...you make your own choices when the police ask you to describe someone ....I'm sure you'll point out their parentage and dna profiles but my statement is simple...skin color is confused with nationality and ethnicity......you seem to have a different opinion as to what that means...and if you don't care to talk about it on a global level...that's your problem....in africa or china...they have fair and dark skinned peoples......and they are referred to that way..Usually stems from northern or southern populations in either continent....what being rich and short means I find laughable....tell that to the pygmies or the owner of a diamond mine in africa....snd for the record I didn't imply that only in africa he'd be described as white by someone pointing him out to the cops....they wouldn't say..."black guy" or brown guy because he was fair skinned. I have mixed race children who can tell you what skin tone means in America...one looks Irish as me and another looks like a very dark Guatemalan. Sort of messes with your idea of what that entails

 

[julius]

“White privilege” is a racist construct the left has embraced to further their political agenda. They wouldn’t dream of attacking any other race this way, but they think white people deserve it, so what the hell. The race war is only made worse by such labels, but again the left doesn’t care. They’ve completely abandoned MLK’s famous and wise observation that we should judge people solely by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin.

I think you have that a little backwards...the left actually is basing a lot of things based on the content of peoples character (or in many cases, the lack of character).

 

[riverman]

“White privilege” is a racist construct the left has embraced to further their political agenda. They wouldn’t dream of attacking any other race this way, but they think white people deserve it, so what the hell. The race war is only made worse by such labels, but the left doesn’t care. They’ve completely abandoned MLK’s famous and wise observation that we should judge people solely by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin.

No!!white privilege is constructed by slave owners and racists...and adhered to as.....segregation...thanks to Johnson we've made civil rights gains but the GOP is pining for the days when blacks and women couldn't vote of make their own choices again....I don't judge white people for the color of their skin or any people ...I judge white supremacists for making the color of their skin a symbol of domination and oppression

 

[julius]

I'm not going to color code the world for you here...you make your own choices when the police ask you to describe someone ....I'm sure you'll point out their parentage and dna profiles but my statement is simple...skin color is confused with nationality and ethnicity......you seem to have a different opinion as to what that means...and if you don't care to talk about it on a global level...that's your problem....in africa or china...they have fair and dark skinned peoples......and they are referred to that way..Usually stems from northern or southern populations in either continent....what being rich and short means I find laughable....tell that to the pygmies or the owner of a diamond mine in africa.....

color code the world for me? jesus christ man, we were talking about how you said Sirhan Sirhan was white, and then said Enes Kanter would be seen as white.

And good lord, the "pygmies or owners of a diamond mine" in africa...did you take lessons from ABM or something?

Sure, compared to Elon Musk, I'm poor, what does that have to do with what I said?

You were talking about people from the US being killed, and implied they were done by white people.

And I said Sirhan Sirhan would not be considered white in the US when it happened, and I doubt he would be considered it now.

I don't give two shits what people in a different country think about who is white or not white (in context to this story). I too can bring anecdotal proof of people I know who would consider light(er) skinned people as "white" or whatever, but it doesn't mean anything.

Your whole point about white privilege in relation to killing 3 big names of the 60's, and you then brought up two people who didn't and don't benefit form white privilege (Sirhan Sirhan didn't, and Enes benefits from being rich).

Then you went off on some weird tangent about how in Africa this, or Africa that, which has nothing to do with Sirhan Sirhan or Enes Kanter, or white privilege.

 

[riverman]

I don't give two shits what people in a different country think

and there you have it....you're getting pretty worked up over a simple difference of opinion...are you ok? This is unlike you in my view...I tried the "agree to disagree" but if a tangent happened it wasn't because I didn't try to move on here. The tangent that was off the rails was...in africa you'd be richer and shorter than everyone....which..well....I'll just let that ride then.

 

[Bingo Bango]

I think you have that a little backwards...the left actually is basing a lot of things based on the content of peoples character (or in many cases, the lack of character).

Thanks for proving my point. The historic racism against blacks has also been based on judgements against their character. Your similar generalization about white people is the very definition of racism.

 

[julius]

and there you have it

interesting that you decided to cut out the rest of my sentence. I'm sure I could pick and chose statements you've made, and edit them and make it look like you said something completely different.

Be better than that riverman.

Since you edited it out, I'll add it here.

I don't give two shits what people in a different country think about who is white or not white (in context to this story).

 

[julius]

and there you have it....you're getting pretty worked up over a simple difference of opinion...are you ok? This is unlike you in my view...I tried the "agree to disagree" but if a tangent happened it wasn't because I didn't try to move on here. The tangent that was off the rails was...in africa you'd be richer and shorter than everyone....which..well....I'll just let that ride then.

I'm sure by the end of the day I'll forget our little beef here.

Also, I said "in CERTAIN PARTS" of Africa, not "everyone".

"Well, in certain parts of Africa I'd be considered short and rich, doesn't mean in the US those are true."

You brought up a region of Africa to prove your point, thats what I did. I didn't imply everyone, and the thing is, you know that.

 

[Bingo Bango]

The GOP is pining for the days when blacks and women couldn't vote of make their own choices again....

Good Lord. You seem to be living in a bubble filled with lies about the other side meant to keep you angry and disillusioned. Making charges like this undermines anything logical or sane you might come up with.

 

[crandc]

In other words, race is social, not biological. A century ago in US, Irish, Italian, Greek and Jewish immigrants were not considered white. Nowadays some Latinx people are wanting to be included as white.
White privilege is real. What changes is who is covered by it.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Good Lord. You seem to be living in a bubble filled with lies and distortions meant to keep you angry and disillusioned. Making charges like this undermines anything logical or sane you might come up with.

Dude, we are NOT Trump Republicans. I thought that was very obvious, but apparently you didn't understand that......or what is actually meant by the term "white privilege". And at least Riverman "comes up with logic and sanity". You might want to give that a try.........

 

[riverman]

Good Lord. You seem to be living in a bubble filled with lies and distortions meant to keep you angry and disillusioned. Making charges like this undermines anything logical or sane you might come up with.

I'm not angry or disillusioned and I don't live with lies....unlike your poster boy Rudy..I believe the truth is the truth. I understand you need me to be this hard left threat to your hard right desires but that's not who you're talking to here. Don't worry yourself about what I seem to be....I'm a retired war vet with a great family and debt free life. I've seen the world and know what I've seen. I'm not anti white....I'm pro equality and choice..I'm anti MAGA militia.

 

[Bingo Bango]

I'm not angry or disillusioned and I don't live with lies....unlike your poster boy Rudy..I believe the truth is the truth. I understand you need me to be this hard left threat to your hard right desires but that's not who you're talking to here. Don't worry yourself about what I seem to be....I'm a retired war vet with a great family and debt free life. I've seen the world and know what I've seen. I'm not anti white....I'm pro equality and choice..I'm anti MAGA militia.

Trust me. If you think the GOP wants to take away the rights of black people and women to vote or make their own choices, you’re angry and disillusioned.

 

[riverman]

Trust me. If you think the GOP wants to take away the rights of black people and women to vote or make their own choices, you’re angry and disillusioned.

I don't trust you....sorry..and the GOP is redistricting the vote to limit access to minority districts...and fighting mail in ballots which work flawlessly in Oregon and now going after women's choices and rights to determine their own will to procreate or not. If you think the GOP isn't going after civil rights then you're disillusioned completely ...after your party tried to overthrow democracy on Jan 6th you can bet I'm angry at the MAGA militia and corrupt republican coup planners...yeah...I'm mad about that. I worked for Nixon as a radioman during the war and read all the bullshit propaganda and fake body bag counts, fake victories and then Watergate happened.... ..doesn't fool me for a minute..neither did Trump....I haven't liked that guy since the 70s...he's always been a lying sack of shit..you're on the wrong side of political history in 2022. Joe Biden is a band aid president and even he knows he's too old for the job..he was my last choice for a democratic candidate...but I couldn't vote for a third party candidate like I did when Hillary ran...this time Trump had to go at any cost..I'd have voted for anyone over the grifter

 

[Bingo Bango]

I don't trust you....sorry..and the GOP is redistricting the vote to limit access to minority districts...and fighting mail in ballots which work flawlessly in Oregon and now going after women's choices and rights to determine their own will to procreate or not. If you think the GOP isn't going after civil rights then you're disillusioned completely ...after your party tried to overthrow democracy on Jan 6th you can bet I'm angry at the MAGA militia and corrupt republican coup planners...yeah...I'm mad about that. I worked for Nixon as a radioman during the war and read all the bullshit propaganda and fake body bag counts, fake victories and then Watergate happened.... ..doesn't fool me for a minute..neither did Trump....I haven't liked that guy since the 70s...he's always been a lying sack of shit..you're on the wrong side of political history in 2022. Joe Biden is a band aid president and even he knows he's too old for the job..he was my last choice for a democratic candidate...but I couldn't vote for a third party candidate like I did when Hillary ran...this time Trump had to go at any cost..I'd have voted for anyone over the grifter

Hard to imagine why the GOP would want to limit the voting rights of minorities, since more and more of them are voting conservative, but go ahead and believe that if you want. I try to ignore what the left says about its opponents, since most of it is never true.

 

[Chris Craig]

“White privilege” is a racist construct the left has embraced to further their political agenda. They wouldn’t dream of attacking any other race this way, but they think white people deserve it, so what the hell. The race war is only made worse by such labels, but the left doesn’t care. They’ve completely abandoned MLK’s famous observation that we should judge people solely by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin.

It's a racial construct, created long ago when this country was founded. When people of color were valued as less than people, and white men had the power. When it was written in the Declaration that all men are created equal, it was talking about white men.

White men from the beginning have had advantage.

The right has gone and continues to go through great lengths to try and bury that. Black history is being removed from schools across the country. In red states you can't even teach about MLK today.

Why are white people so afraid to say what happened for real? I'm not. I accept what happened. I accept such privilege exists. I know if I get pulled over by a cop, I don't have to worry about getting shot. Etc etc.

Equality was progressing though until recently. Until Trump came and decided he wanted to, "Make America Great Again" and unleashed holy hell.

People of color, of the LBTGQ community, women, etc gained ground in equality, and it took centuries and decades. Now, the right is working to take it all away with their bullshit laws and stacked supreme court.

We should judge people solely by the content of their character. The left is for that. The left isn't judging the right because of their skin color, but because of their actions. Because they are marching in clan uniforms, with racist flags, and prejudiced intention. Because they are trying to stop black history from being taught in schools, erasing gay and women's rights, etc. Because they are commiting treason by taking the Capitol to stop an election. The right well, as you can see above, they are judging by skin color, sexual orientation, gender, etc, not by character.

The far right has taken over the Republican party. It's former self is nearly unrecognizable now.

 

[riverman]

I've said again and again....if the GOP senate had voted to impeach Trump then Joe Biden would more than likely not be president today....it was the dumbest thing that party has done since J Edgar Hoover was witch hunting rock stars or when McCarthy wanted to blacklist all the jews in Hollywood as commies..

 

[Chris Craig]

Hard to imagine why the GOP would want to limit the voting rights of minorities, since more and more of them are voting conservative, but go ahead and believe that if you want. I try to ignore what the left says about its opponents, since most of it is never true.

Never liked the word minorities. Cuban Americans vote conservative and are a big part of Florida staying red.

Most black people still vote liberal. Hence DeSantis trying to eliminate strongholds of black communities from district maps.

It's why Republican controlled states have closed voting centers in such districts to stop the vote. Etc etc.

The GOP is doing it and doing it openly.

 

[Bingo Bango]

The far right has taken over the Republican party. It's former self is nearly unrecognizable now.

Ha. You do realize that many people say the far left has taken over the Democrat party, right? Even Bill Maher thinks the left has become crazy town.

 

[ABM]

Ha. You do realize that many people say the far left has taken over the Democrat party, right? Even Bill Maher thinks the left has become crazy town.

......which seems kinda wild to me as I had always viewed him as a lefty left apologist.

Wasted away at Liberalville. Some people claim that AOC's to blame, but it's their own......fault.

 

[Bingo Bango]

......which seems kinda wild to me as I had always viewed him as a lefty left apologist.

That tells you how crazy the left has gotten.

 

[ABM]

That tells you how crazy the left has gotten.

BTW, WELCOME!!

Nice to see a friendly face in these parts.

 

[Chris Craig]

Ha. You do realize that many people say the far left has taken over the Democrat party, right? Even Bill Maher thinks the left has become crazy town.

Antifa, the equivalent of the far right has not taken over the Democratic party. There is still a very clear separation between the two. The Democratic party does not subscribe to those ways of thinking.

Sure, the Democratic party has gone further left, in a desire for helping people and equality....things such as universal health care and equal rights for all communities does not equate to what the right has become.

The far right has taken over the Republican party. It is being overrun with candidates espousing those ideals and the party itself has added such ideals to their platform. We are seeing rights being taken away across the country, we are seeing black history being removed from school books, etc etc.

I know you are but what am I doesn't work here.

 

[ABM]

.....Cuban Americans vote conservative and are a big part of Florida staying red.

....and Hispanic communities, as well.

https://floridapolitics.com/archives/534261-libre-action-endorses-ron-desantis-for-re-election/

Libre Action endorses Ron DeSantis for re-election
The center-right group supports policies creating opportunity for Hispanic communities.

The LIBRE Initiative’s political arm endorsed Gov. Ron DeSantis for re-election.

“We as Americans have a duty to advocate and push for better election results this year,” said Alian Collazo, advisor to The LIBRE Initiative Action.

“Our inflation rates are higher than they have ever been at a time of incredible uncertainty. Gov. Ron DeSantis’ steady leadership ensured that Florida was able to weather the storm better than other states by balancing economic opportunity and public safety. Since then, Gov. DeSantis has continued to support pro-growth economic policies, personalized health care and educational freedom to help all Floridians. This sentiment includes our state’s vibrant Hispanic community to pursue their dreams and live out their American Dream.”

A center-right group focused on policies promoting the well-being and self-sufficiency of Hispanic communities, the support could be important as Latino voters play an increasingly decisive role in Florida statewide races.

Experts believe more than 1.4 million Florida Latino voters could vote in the Midterm Elections this fall.