OT Why Never Trumpers Should Bet on DeSantis Now

[barfo]

Florida is going all out to protect children.

STEP 1:
In order to protect innocent white children from being assaulted by transgender children, schools may prohibit transgender students from using restrooms and locker rooms. If they allow transgender and cisgender students to use the same facilities, they most notify each parent, post on school's web site, and set aside locations for exclusive use of cis students.

STEP 2:
In order to protect innocent Christian children from degeneracy of Jewish children, schools may prohibit Jewish students from using restrooms and locker rooms. If they allow Jewish and Christian students to use the same facilities, they most notify each parent, post on school's web site, and set aside locations for exclusive use of Christian students.

STEP 3:
In order to protect innocent white children from criminal tendencies of black children, schools may prohibit black students from using restrooms and locker rooms. If they allow black and white students to use the same facilities, they most notify each parent, post on school's web site, and set aside locations for exclusive use of white students.

FTFY.

barfo

 

[Lanny]

Florida is going all out to protect children.

In order to protect innocent white children from criminal tendencies of black children, schools may prohibit black students from using restrooms and locker rooms. If they allow black and white students to use the same facilities, they most notify each parent, post on school's web site, and set aside locations for exclusive use of white students.

Wait, that's not right....

n order to protect innocent Christian children from degeneracy of Jewish children, schools may prohibit Jewish students from using restrooms and locker rooms. If they allow Jewish and Christian students to use the same facilities, they most notify each parent, post on school's web site, and set aside locations for exclusive use of Christian students.

Wait, that's not right...

n order to protect innocent white children from being assaulted by transgender children, schools may prohibit transgender students from using restrooms and locker rooms. If they allow transgender and cisgender students to use the same facilities, they most notify each parent, post on school's web site, and set aside locations for exclusive use of cis students.

Now I've got it right.

Something smells incredibly illegal about that.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Florida is going all out to protect children.

In order to protect innocent white children from criminal tendencies of black children, schools may prohibit black students from using restrooms and locker rooms. If they allow black and white students to use the same facilities, they most notify each parent, post on school's web site, and set aside locations for exclusive use of white students.

Wait, that's not right....

n order to protect innocent Christian children from degeneracy of Jewish children, schools may prohibit Jewish students from using restrooms and locker rooms. If they allow Jewish and Christian students to use the same facilities, they most notify each parent, post on school's web site, and set aside locations for exclusive use of Christian students.

Wait, that's not right...

n order to protect innocent white children from being assaulted by transgender children, schools may prohibit transgender students from using restrooms and locker rooms. If they allow transgender and cisgender students to use the same facilities, they most notify each parent, post on school's web site, and set aside locations for exclusive use of cis students.

Now I've got it right.

Link please.

 

[crandc]

https://www.tampabay.com/news/educa...ew-transgender-bathroom-rules/?outputType=amp

 

[Lanny]

https://www.tampabay.com/news/educa...ew-transgender-bathroom-rules/?outputType=amp

I should know better than to wonder if you had a credible link to any of your statements. I guess it's just that so many people come in here spouting off things where they have no idea and like to make things up. I hope this is a lesson about the veracity of your claims for all of us..

 

[crandc]

I should know better than to wonder if you had a credible link to any of your statements. I guess it's just that so many people come in here spouting off things where they have no idea and like to make things up. I hope this is a lesson about the veracity of your claims for all of us..

I'm not offended. People have the right to ask others to back up their statements.

 

[Lanny]

I'm not offended. People have the right to ask others to back up their statements.

Exactly how I feel.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I should know better than to wonder if you had a credible link to any of your statements. I guess it's just that so many people come in here spouting off things where they have no idea and like to make things up. I hope this is a lesson about the veracity of your claims for all of us..

I did not doubt @crandc's credibility on what she posted. And she never spouts off things.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

schools may prohibit transgender students from using restrooms and locker rooms. If they allow transgender and cisgender students to use the same facilities, they most notify each parent, post on school's web site, and set aside locations for exclusive use of cis students.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/educa...ew-transgender-bathroom-rules/?outputType=amp

My reading of the article at the link doesn't indicate that transgender students can be prohibited from using restrooms and locker rooms; simply that they have the option to separate by sex at birth, or by some other means.

I also don't see any indication of a requirement for setting aside locations for exclusive use of cis students. Can you help me out with what I missed on that one?

Personally, I don't think it's unreasonable for schools to be required to notify parents of their restroom/locker-room policy, although I think that all schools regardless of policy should have to provide that notification. Only requiring notification for certain restroom policies demonstrates a clear favoritism, and that should not be permitted.

 

[crandc]

Why should a school have to notify parents there are trans kids there?

 

[crandc]

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local...s-policy-changes-in-schools-across-the-state/

 

[calvin natt]

Why should a school have to notify parents there are trans kids there?

They shouldn’t. Period.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Why should a school have to notify parents there are trans kids there?

I don't believe that's what either I or the article said.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local...s-policy-changes-in-schools-across-the-state/

Thank you for this additional link. I wish the news organizations reporting this information actually provided (or had the ability to provide) links to the actual text of the school board rules. I know that there was nothing like that (accommodating uncomfortable cis students) in the original "Parental bill of rights" law that was passed back in March. This feels like quite the overreach by the school board.

 

[theprunetang]

Thank you for this additional link. I wish the news organizations reporting this information actually provided (or had the ability to provide) links to the actual text of the school board rules. I know that there was nothing like that (accommodating uncomfortable cis students) in the original "Parental bill of rights" law that was passed back in March. This feels like quite the overreach by the school board.

The politicians generally leave the language in these bills vague for a reason. It gives openings for drastic (read: the preferred) interpretation, and also creates an environment of fear, so people will self-regulate out of fear and anxiety.

 

[Lanny]

Why should a school have to notify parents there are trans kids there?

Yeah, why? Huh? Why? Because it makes ass holes uncomfortable.

 

[crandc]

Here's a policy. All students have equal access to school facilities. Nothing more.

The "notification" meant in reality that schools are required to tell parents if trans kids are allowed to use facilities. So that bigots can show up at school board screaming.

 

[ABM]

DeSantis vs. Crist (one and only) debate this evening. We're in FL, so I'll get to watch. Good times.

 

[crandc]

DeSantis vs. Crist (one and only) debate this evening. We're in FL, so I'll get to watch. Good times.

Will DeSantis find the courage to say Nazis are bad?

 

[ABM]

Will DeSantis find the courage to say Nazis are bad?

Not that I really care about him anymore, but I'd hope so. Truly.

 

[theprunetang]

DeSantis vs. Crist (one and only) debate this evening. We're in FL, so I'll get to watch. Good times.

Ahh. Crist and the Anti-Crist.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

DeSantis vs. Crist (one and only) debate this evening. We're in FL, so I'll get to watch. Good times.

 

[ABM]

Ahh. Crist and the Anti-Crist.

That's funny!

 

[ABM]

The world has been about taking, appropriating, stealing, and conquering occupied land since, like, the history of Earth?

 

[crandc]

DeSantis is cruel to the right people. That's his selling point.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The world has been about taking, appropriating, stealing, and conquering occupied land since, like, the history of Earth?

Yes, and we should teach that.

 

[Lanny]

I wonder if he's ever heard of the trail of tears.

 

[crandc]

I wonder if he's ever heard of the trail of tears.

That makes white people uncomfortable.

 

[Lanny]

That makes white people incomfortabl.

Imagine how uncomfortable my ancestors, the Cherokee, feel about it.

 

[ABM]

It's kind of interesting the support DeSantis is receiving from Hispanics in Florida considering, I dunno, all the antics he pulled off in Martha's Vineyard(?)

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/new-poll-hispanics-in-florida-back-desantis-over-crist

New poll: Hispanics in Florida back DeSantis over Crist

(The Center Square) – Hispanics in Florida are backing Gov. Ron DeSantis over his Democratic challenger and former Republican governor Charlie Crist, according to a new Telemundo/LX News poll.

Among 625 registered Hispanic voters surveyed, 51% said they were likely to vote for DeSantis, 44% for Crist. The majority, 56%, also said they approve of how DeSantis is doing his job, compared to 41% who said they didn’t.

The bilingual survey was conducted by Jacksonville-based Mason-Dixon Polling & Strategy by telephone between Oct. 17 and 22. All registered voters contacted said they were likely to vote in the November general election, the company said. The poll has a margin of error of +/- 4%.

DeSantis had the highest support from voters in the Tampa Bay area of 54% compared to Crist’s 39%. Among voters in South Florida, 50% are backing DeSantis compared to 46% backing Crist. More voters in Central Florida, 49%, backed Crist compared to 44% who backed DeSantis.

More men surveyed expressed support for DeSantis than for Crist, by a margin of 54% to 40%. Women are evenly split with 48% expressing support for each.

The overwhelming majority of Cuban-Americans back DeSantis, 72%, compared to 22% who back Crist. The majority of Puerto Ricans and other Hispanics expressed greater support for Crist than DeSantis, by a margin of 59% to 37% and 53% to 43%, respectively.

The majority of Hispanic voters born in another country expressed support for DeSantis – 56% compared to 40% expressing support for Crist. Those born in America favored DeSantis slightly more than those favoring Crist by a margin of 48% to 47%.

DeSantis has reached a broader base, drawing support from the majority of Republicans (95%) and Independents (56%). Crist has support from Democrats (92%) and a minority of Independents (34%).

The majority of Hispanic voters, 56%, said they approve of DeSantis’ job performance compared to 41% who said they disapprove. DeSantis received over 50% support from residents living in all three regions surveyed of Central Florida, Tampa Bay and Southeast Florida. The majority of those who weren’t born in the US (60%) and of Cuban or other descent, also backed DeSantis.

The overwhelming majority approved of DeSantis’ policy of keeping Florida businesses open during the pandemic (64%), of addressing Florida’ housing and insurance challenges (52%) and Hurricane Ian recovery efforts (73%).

Of those Hispanic voters polled, 38% were Democrats, 35% were Republicans (35%) and 27% were Independents.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...ntis-crist-support-marthas-vineyard-rcna53493

Florida's Hispanic voters back DeSantis over Crist, support Martha's Vineyard migrant flights

Few issues exemplify DeSantis' take-on-all-comers approach to politics than his open-for-business management of the Covid pandemic over the past two years and his decision last month to fly about 50 Venezuelan migrants from San Antonio, Texas, to the Massachusetts island of Martha’s Vineyard to make a statement about President Joe Biden’s border policies.

The Martha’s Vineyard flight resulted in widespread condemnation, lawsuits, questions about the contract and DeSantis' reported use of migrant labor to coordinate the effort, and a Texas criminal investigation over whether the migrants were criminally misled. DeSantis hasn’t undertaken any more known migrant relocation flights, and Biden has changed his border policy concerning Venezuelans.

Amid all the controversy, Florida Hispanics side with the governor on the Martha’s Vineyard flight, with 50% in favor and 43% opposed to the relocation, according to the poll. Independents joined Republicans in lending majority support to the governor on the issue while Democrats were opposed.

Support for DeSantis’ migrant relocation move was strongest among Hispanic immigrants. Those born outside the United States favored the policy by 52% to 41%, according to the poll. Those born in the United States were almost equally divided, with 49% in favor and 45% opposed.

Helena Poleo, a Democratic strategist who immigrated to the U.S. from Venezuela two decades ago, said she wasn’t surprised that so manyFlorida Latinos supported the Martha’s Vineyard flight transporting Venezuelan migrants. She said that some fellow Venezuelan Americans backed DeSantis’ effort because many of them have been here for a long time, are whiter and wealthier and don’t identify with the poor darker-skinned migrants.

"The division of class and race was very marked in Venezuela, and they carried that here," Poleo said. "DeSantis knew what he was doing."

But, she said, there were also basic concerns about immigration as well because South Florida is so crowded and housing already comes at a premium, especially in cities like Doral, which has such a large Venezuelan population that it's nicknamed "Doralzeula."

"They don’t want any more people," she said. "They want to close the borders of Doral. Well, that’s not how it works.".........