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PapaG said:
I assumed he meant he was a 9th-grade student, yah. Just as that is his class, this is now his board.

It's The Truth!!
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Gee I thought you found another board to clutter up, oh well I guess maybe one day you by staying here and reading my threads, I can finally teach you what a good high percentage basketball shot looks like.

Hint its not a 20 foot jumper and that's the TRUTH.
 
cmeese47 said:
Gee I thought you found another board to clutter up, oh well I guess maybe one day you by staying here and reading my threads, I can finally teach you what a good high percentage basketball shot looks like.

Hint its not a 20 foot jumper and that's the TRUTH.
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Personally I'm thrilled basketball players can shoot jump shots after the era of only slam dunk-free throw scoring. As to 20ft jumpers, don't tell that to Dirk, Mark Price, Michael Jordan, LaMarcus, Jerry West, Pistol Pete (well he's not around now) or Larry Bird. The list goes on. It's a skillset that was disappearing in favor of the slam dunk. Time will prove that these pure shooters will have longer, more productive careers than the highlight reel guys. If you don't like that style of play, that's a choice you make but it's not basketball truth by any stretch, it's opinion. Nothing was more boring than watching a finals game with Shaq shooting free throws for 10 minutes at the end of the fourth qtr.
 
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cmeese47 said:
Gee I thought you found another board to clutter up, oh well I guess maybe one day you by staying here and reading my threads, I can finally teach you what a good high percentage basketball shot looks like.

Hint its not a 20 foot jumper and that's the TRUTH.
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You said you teach 9th-graders English. Did I read that earlier?

Anyhow, eblazer gave you many stats on what a guarded shot at the rim looks like versus a mid-range shot. You chose to disregard his stats, and you still clutter the board with nonsensical posts. If you're really a 9th-grade English teacher ... wow.
 
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riverman said:
Personally I'm thrilled basketball players can shoot jump shots after the era of only slam dunk-free throw scoring. As to 20ft jumpers, don't tell that to Dirk, Mark Price, Michael Jordan, LaMarcus, Jerry West, Pistol Pete (well he's not around now) or Larry Bird. The list goes on. It's a skillset that was disappearing in favor of the slam dunk. Time will prove that these pure shooters will have longer, more productive careers than the highlight reel guys. If you don't like that style of play, that's a choice you make but it's not basketball truth by any stretch, it's opinion. Nothing was more boring than watching a finals game with Shaq shooting free throws for 10 minutes at the end of the fourth qtr.
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Anthony Davis takes a lot of mid-range shots, too, in terms of a more recent 'big'.
 
cmeese47 said:
Gee I thought you found another board to clutter up, oh well I guess maybe one day you by staying here and reading my threads, I can finally teach you what a good high percentage basketball shot looks like.

Hint its not a 20 foot jumper and that's the TRUTH.
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What was your response to my post regarding this? Did it make sense? Or are you still out to lay the gauntlet down ?
 
OneLifeToLive said:
What was your response to my post regarding this? Did it make sense? Or are you still out to lay the gauntlet down ?
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It's "his" board now.

Gee pay attention maybe youll learn something its not easy being the only smart poster here
 
riverman said:
Personally I'm thrilled basketball players can shoot jump shots after the era of only slam dunk-free throw scoring. As to 20ft jumpers, don't tell that to Dirk, Mark Price, Michael Jordan, LaMarcus, Jerry West, Pistol Pete (well he's not around now) or Larry Bird. The list goes on. It's a skillset that was disappearing in favor of the slam dunk. Time will prove that these pure shooters will have longer, more productive careers than the highlight reel guys. If you don't like that style of play, that's a choice you make but it's not basketball truth by any stretch, it's opinion. Nothing was more boring than watching a finals game with Shaq shooting free throws for 10 minutes at the end of the fourth qtr.
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I do not have stats for fg% by distance for anyone but dirk he is an exception i will give you he has shot over 50% several times from mid range. LA has never shot over 43% from there so yes for Dirk it was a good shot not for LA. For the others if they managed to shoot above say 48% from there it was a good shot. So yes there are exceptions but statistically it is the lowest percentage shot in the game.
 
cmeese47 said:
I do not have stats for fg% by distance for anyone but dirk he is an exception i will give you he has shot over 50% several times from mid range. LA has never shot over 43% from there so yes for Dirk it was a good shot not for LA. For the others if they managed to shoot above say 48% from there it was a good shot. So yes there are exceptions but statistically it is the lowest percentage shot in the game.
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And just wait until 10 years later when LaMarcus is this generations Tim Duncan, putting up 30-15 and winning games while the dunkers are hobbled or bagged in ice on the sidelines. Stats can be misleading. It's wins that count. LaMarcus is starting to shoot the occassional 3 now as well. He improves every year in certain areas. Doesn't matter if he's a big. Sheed could shoot the hell out of a 20ft shot, Hornacek and Barkley could, Reggie Miller. Defining it as a 20 ft shot is not including a 19.75ft shot or a 20.25ft shot so that stat has holes all over it. My point is the jump shot is back and it's being used more in offensive schemes these days.
 
PapaG said:
Anthony Davis takes a lot of mid-range shots, too, in terms of a more recent 'big'.
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Davis takes 36% of his shots from 10 feet to 3pt line LA takes 64% of his shots from there but thanks for trying.
 
cmeese47 said:
I do not have stats for fg% by distance for anyone but dirk he is an exception i will give you he has shot over 50% several times from mid range. LA has never shot over 43% from there so yes for Dirk it was a good shot not for LA. For the others if they managed to shoot above say 48% from there it was a good shot. So yes there are exceptions but statistically it is the lowest percentage shot in the game.
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You might want to take a look at the stats on LA's shooting percentages that I posted in this previous thread:

http://sportstwo.com/threads/255138-If-you-re-not-on-the-L-Train-what-are-you-waiting-for?p=3230599#post3230599

Unless he can get to within 5' of the hoop, moving him closer to the rim is statistically a bad idea.
 
e_blazer said:
You might want to take a look at the stats on LA's shooting percentages that I posted in this previous thread:

http://sportstwo.com/threads/255138-If-you-re-not-on-the-L-Train-what-are-you-waiting-for?p=3230599#post3230599

Unless he can get to within 5' of the hoop, moving him closer to the rim is statistically a bad idea.
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LA has shot over 45% several times from 3-10 feet including over 50% two years ago. From beyond 10 feet he has never shot above 45%. His FG% is also a career low which suggest his role in Stotts offense is not the best for him.
 
cmeese47 said:
LA has shot over 45% several times from 3-10 feet including over 50% two years ago. From beyond 10 feet he has never shot above 45%. His FG% is also a career low which suggest his role in Stotts offense is not the best for him.
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Hey, I posted official stats to back up my position. Unless you've got the same, I suggest you follow this sage advice:
MOST OF ALL ADMIT WHEN YOU MAKE A FUCKING MISTAKE OWN IT EAT YOUR CROW AND MOVE ON.
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e_blazer said:
You might want to take a look at the stats on LA's shooting percentages that I posted in this previous thread:

http://sportstwo.com/threads/255138-If-you-re-not-on-the-L-Train-what-are-you-waiting-for?p=3230599#post3230599

Unless he can get to within 5' of the hoop, moving him closer to the rim is statistically a bad idea.
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e_blazer said:
Hey, I posted official stats to back up my position. Unless you've got the same, I suggest you follow this sage advice:
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2 months old, how about current stats on all of his 2pt attempts

20-24: 42.5%
15-19: 42.4%
10-14: 40.5%
5-9: 31.6%
0-4: 63.9%

With a league average 2pt attempt being 48.5%, and the overall league average on efficiency being 53.8%.
 
e_blazer said:
You might want to take a look at the stats on LA's shooting percentages that I posted in this previous thread:

http://sportstwo.com/threads/255138-If-you-re-not-on-the-L-Train-what-are-you-waiting-for?p=3230599#post3230599

Unless he can get to within 5' of the hoop, moving him closer to the rim is statistically a bad idea.
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Oh FYI your wonderful stat for LA is no longer so glorious. He is now just shooting 42.4% from 15-19 feet. Basically if the whole team shot what LA does from 15-feet to the 3pt line since the numbers are basically identical and get to the free throw line the same amount he does right now. They would be scoring 91.4 points per game and that is assuming they shoot his 82% from the FT line and assuming that LA gets fouled the same percentage from each spot on the floor.

That would make the Blazers the worst offense in the league despite leading the league in FT%.

Basically what I am saying is LA's offense under Stotts is not efficient at all.
 
Jayps15 said:
2 months old, how about current stats on all of his 2pt attempts

20-24: 42.5%
15-19: 42.4%
10-14: 40.5%
5-9: 31.6%
0-4: 63.9%

With a league average 2pt attempt being 48.5%, and the overall league average on efficiency being 53.8%.
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Nice, but it doesn't tell what % of his shots taken are from each distance.
 
One of the reasons I find stats so misleading is they ignore intangibles such as shots forced because of shot clock, shots altered, double or triple teams, guys coming back from groin injuries or nursing any injuries. The defensive skills of the team they're shooting against. Also I find the term "recent" with stat lines to be misleading. Look at this season as a whole. To pick a short slump or injury recovery period to compare stats is meaningless. There's not a player in the NBA that doesn't respect LaMarcus jump shot nor a coach so I have to consider the source when he's dissed for shooting them.
 
Stotts system did win a ring with a 7ft jump shooter...just sayin'
 
e_blazer said:
Hey, I posted official stats to back up my position. Unless you've got the same, I suggest you follow this sage advice:
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LA's most efficient season

FG% Dist. 2P % of FGA by Distance 2P FG% by Distance
0-3 3-10 10-16 16<3 3P 0-3 3-10 10-16 16<3 3P
2011-12 26 POR NBA PF 55 1994 .512 10.6 .988 .281 .182 .205 .320 .012 .516 .687 .523 .404 .434 .182
2013-14 28 POR NBA PF 60 2189 .459 12.5 .989 .186 .160 .232 .411 .011 .461 .681 .370 .391 .438 .214

As you can see under Nate and Caleb LA attempted around 10% more shots right at the rim. That led to a career high in FG%.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01.html
 
cmeese47 said:
Basically what I am saying is LA's offense under Stotts is not efficient at all.
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Well, since Stotts doesn't coach the Clippers or the Lakers you really can't blame him for their shortcomings.

Stotts coaches the Blazers, whose main man on offense is LaMarcus Aldridge.

14th rated player in Yahoo Fantasy Basketball

.459 FG% .819 FT% 23.4 PPG 11.1 RBS 2.7 AST 0.9 STL 1.0 BLK 1.9 TO

Which part is inefficient, IYO?
 
riverman said:
Stotts system did win a ring with a 7ft jump shooter...just sayin'
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He also had a DPOY center and a 7 foot jump shooter who has also shot 38% from 3 point range for his career. LA needs a 3 point shot.
 
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