Why S2 and forums make it hard to be a fan

[Jayps15]

Nice, but it doesn't tell what % of his shots taken are from each distance.

Damnit, internet ate my 1st reply.

Easiest way to answer that is with this link from BBR, showing not only the breakdown from this year, but for every year of his career but with slightly different distances.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01.html#shooting::none

 

[cmeese47]

LA's most efficient season

FG% Dist. 2P % of FGA by Distance 2P FG% by Distance
0-3 3-10 10-16 16<3 3P 0-3 3-10 10-16 16<3 3P
2011-12 26 POR NBA PF 55 1994 .512 10.6 .988 .281 .182 .205 .320 .012 .516 .687 .523 .404 .434 .182
2013-14 28 POR NBA PF 60 2189 .459 12.5 .989 .186 .160 .232 .411 .011 .461 .681 .370 .391 .438 .214

As you can see under Nate and Caleb LA attempted around 10% more shots right at the rim. That led to a career high in FG%.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01.html

stupid editing the tabs are all lined up perfect and then the format screws it up

 

[riverman]

Somewhere there's a bench scrub who shoots 100% from 20 ft because he made both of them.

 

[cmeese47]

Well, since Stotts doesn't coach the Clippers or the Lakers you really can't blame him for their shortcomings.

Stotts coaches the Blazers, whose main man on offense is LaMarcus Aldridge.

14th rated player in Yahoo Fantasy Basketball

.459 FG% .819 FT% 23.4 PPG 11.1 RBS 2.7 AST 0.9 STL 1.0 BLK 1.9 TO

Which part is inefficient, IYO?

Lets see .459% is the most glaring number especially for a PF who does not have 3PTA's weighing it down.
23.4 PPG on 20.8 FGAPG

Durant is scoring 31.8 on 20.5 FGA
Even a notorious chucker like Melo is putting up 28.1 on 22 FGA
Love also a 46% shooter is posting 26.4 on 18.5 FGA

 

[cmeese47]

Somewhere there's a bench scrub who shoots 100% from 20 ft because he made both of them.

At least he was smart enough to stop at 2

 

[MarAzul]

Would you rather your mermaid be top half fish or bottom half fish?

Wow! Never saw a Mermaid top half fish.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Wow! Never saw a Mermaid top half fish.

 

[cmeese47]

It's "his" board now.

Gee pay attention maybe youll learn something its not easy being the only smart poster here

Hey look people started debating basketball and you ran for the hills. Maybe you are a smart poster after all, know thy weakness.

 

[cmeese47]

Look at those DSL.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Your class? Are you a teacher?

Janitor, those damn kids never sort their recyclables correctly.

 

[e_blazer]

LA's most efficient season

FG% Dist. 2P % of FGA by Distance 2P FG% by Distance
0-3 3-10 10-16 16<3 3P 0-3 3-10 10-16 16<3 3P
2011-12 26 POR NBA PF 55 1994 .512 10.6 .988 .281 .182 .205 .320 .012 .516 .687 .523 .404 .434 .182
2013-14 28 POR NBA PF 60 2189 .459 12.5 .989 .186 .160 .232 .411 .011 .461 .681 .370 .391 .438 .214

As you can see under Nate and Caleb LA attempted around 10% more shots right at the rim. That led to a career high in FG%.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01.html

And what was the team's record when LA was following Nate's "efficient" scoring plan? You're far from the first person to make this "efficient scoring" argument around here. Some very respected posters have made this case. The thing that seems to be missing from the analysis is an understanding of why Stotts has LA shooting more from that distance and what it does for the offense the rest of the team generates. Having a player who can command double teams at that distance opens up three point shot attempts for the guys on the roster who are really good at shooting them, it opens up driving lanes for Lillard to get to the hoop and for those nifty little Batum to Lopez plays. If LA is camped under the hoop it's easy for teams to double him when he gets the ball and it doesn't make defenders move far away from their own man. The Blazers are scoring more points than any other team in the league under Stotts' "inefficient" offense. How much were they scoring under Nate's schemes?

 

[e_blazer]

2 months old, how about current stats on all of his 2pt attempts

20-24: 42.5%
15-19: 42.4%
10-14: 40.5%
5-9: 31.6%
0-4: 63.9%

With a league average 2pt attempt being 48.5%, and the overall league average on efficiency being 53.8%.

LA's been pretty inefficient the last couple of months. From the 15-19' range he's only made 49 of 149 shot attempts (32.8%) since my previous post with his earlier stats. I don't know if it's just a slump, the effects of fatigue, the effects of his groin injury or a combination of all of the above. The fact is, though, that it's not surprising that the team's record took a dive when LA's effectiveness from that range slipped. If the Blazers want to make any noise from this point on in the season, they need to get him back to shooting from there like he was through January.

 

[PapaG]

Hey look people started debating basketball and you ran for the hills. Maybe you are a smart poster after all, know thy weakness.

You're not "debating basketball." You're cherry-picking data to support an opinion you've shared nonstop since you started posting here.

Are you really a 9th-grade teacher?

 

[OneLifeToLive]

Janitor, those damn kids never sort their recyclables correctly.

Teeheeheeheehee.

 

[OneLifeToLive]

You're not "debating basketball." You're cherry-picking data to support an opinion you've shared nonstop since you started posting here.

Are you really a 9th-grade teacher?

He's picked an angle and he is running away with it. However, he hasn't given me a response to a reply towards his agenda. Perhaps there was some substance to it.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Cmeese I found you a new avatar

 

[cmeese47]

And what was the team's record when LA was following Nate's "efficient" scoring plan? You're far from the first person to make this "efficient scoring" argument around here. Some very respected posters have made this case. The thing that seems to be missing from the analysis is an understanding of why Stotts has LA shooting more from that distance and what it does for the offense the rest of the team generates. Having a player who can command double teams at that distance opens up three point shot attempts for the guys on the roster who are really good at shooting them, it opens up driving lanes for Lillard to get to the hoop and for those nifty little Batum to Lopez plays. If LA is camped under the hoop it's easy for teams to double him when he gets the ball and it doesn't make defenders move far away from their own man. The Blazers are scoring more points than any other team in the league under Stotts' "inefficient" offense. How much were they scoring under Nate's schemes?

They are scoring at a much higher rate partially because of pace and mainly because of the three. Nate never had a great PG Miller was the closest and his range was maybe 15 feet. Roy got hurt, Wallace was not a shooter, and then the team quit. Under that system LA became the focal point drew double teams and then had no one to pass the ball to who could really hurt the defense outside of Matthews and sometimes Batum off the bench. Exchange Lillard for Felton and then show me Stotts offense. LA needs to bang more in the post and learn the three ball.

 

[cmeese47]

You're not "debating basketball." You're cherry-picking data to support an opinion you've shared nonstop since you started posting here.

Are you really a 9th-grade teacher?

Yah I teach mostly 9th graders and the occasional 10th or 11th grader who was held back. While I might be cherry picking data to support an opinion, last I checked that is part of debating. Your typical response has been I did not know LA shoots jump shots. Riverman offered valid examples to support his opinion, Eblazer has used numbers to back up his opinion, all your doing is posting condescending and inflammatory remarks and then ducking out while others have a discussion.

Yes, Portland was successful with LA shooting long jumpers early on when he was shooting a career high from that range. It also helped that Matthews was also shooting a career high at that time as well. Once LA's numbers started to regress back to his normal levels the team began to lose more. When LA was making 47% from 15-19 feet it did not hurt the team for him to take 40% of his shots from there, when he started shooting 32% from the same area and continued to shoot the same amount or more shots from that area things got worse and it really hurt the team.

LA is not Dirk he has not shown the ability to shoot consistently high percentages from 15-22 feet, while he can make that shot he would be much better served with some variety in his game, LA needs to improve his post game and learn to shoot the three this summer, by doing so he will be much harder to defend and the team will be better for it.

 

[cmeese47]

Cmeese I found you a new avatar

Thanks for lowering my opinion of you, suggesting someone has a mental handicap is a personal insult and against the rules. Furthermore, my cousin has Aspergers and it makes his life tough, he has a hard time communicating with people and because of it has very few friends, he is also heavily picked on at school, to the point of being borderline suicidal.

Troll my posts all you want but your better than this act like it.

 

[e_blazer]

They are scoring at a much higher rate partially because of pace and mainly because of the three. Nate never had a great PG Miller was the closest and his range was maybe 15 feet. Roy got hurt, Wallace was not a shooter, and then the team quit. Under that system LA became the focal point drew double teams and then had no one to pass the ball to who could really hurt the defense outside of Matthews and sometimes Batum off the bench. Exchange Lillard for Felton and then show me Stotts offense. LA needs to bang more in the post and learn the three ball.

And what has happened to the 3 point shots since LA went into a slump with his midrange game? It's taken a nosedive as well because teams haven't had to double LA. Spacing the court is critical and that doesn't happen when your 2 bigs are camped under the basket and everyone else is at the 3point arc.

 

[cmeese47]

And what has happened to the 3 point shots since LA went into a slump with his midrange game? It's taken a nosedive as well because teams haven't had to double LA. Spacing the court is critical and that doesn't happen when your 2 bigs are camped under the basket and everyone else is at the 3point arc.

Wesley was shooting out of his mind so his % was destined to fall. Batum's shooting is improving as he heals. Lillard bounced back in February shooting .386 from deep again. However, I think the biggest thing is Portland does not surprise people anymore. Defenses have figured us out some and the wide open threes are not there like they were in November and December.

Lopez is capable of making a mid range jumper so moving him to high post while LA works the block would keep the spacing. Furthermore, if LA has to stand 20 feet from the hoop for spacing then let him so do but he does not need to shoot 21 times a night, especially if he is not making shots.

 

[e_blazer]

Wesley was shooting out of his mind so his % was destined to fall. Batum's shooting is improving as he heals. Lillard bounced back in February shooting .386 from deep again. However, I think the biggest thing is Portland does not surprise people anymore. Defenses have figured us out some and the wide open threes are not there like they were in November and December.

Lopez is capable of making a mid range jumper so moving him to high post while LA works the block would keep the spacing. Furthermore, if LA has to stand 20 feet from the hoop for spacing then let him so do but he does not need to shoot 21 times a night, especially if he is not making shots.

20-24: 42.5%
15-19: 42.4%
10-14: 40.5%
5-9: 31.6%
0-4: 63.9%

So, looking at the above stats, how do you come to the conclusion that moving LA closer to the basket is a good thing? With the exception of shots in the 0-4' range, his shooting percentage falls as he moves closer to the basket. And that doesn't even factor in the increased number of times that he's stripped by those pesky defenders that swarm him when he gets close to the basket. Guys like you keep wanting to try to turn LA into ZBo without recognition of the fact that he's not very good at playing in traffic. When LA was shooting 46% from mid-range, the Blazers were killing the competition. Teams had to pick their poison and either let him rack up 35 a night, or try to slow him down and have the guys on the perimeter sink them with 3-pointers. When LA went into a slump, teams began playing him straight up and stayed home on 3-point shooters. It has nothing to do with surprise, rather it's a fact that one of the key elements of Stotts' offense isn't working the way it should.

That said, this isn't an either-or situation. LA has done more in backing his man down this season than in the past. I'm sure he's going to keep improving in that area.

 

[cmeese47]

20-24: 42.5%
15-19: 42.4%
10-14: 40.5%
5-9: 31.6%
0-4: 63.9%

So, looking at the above stats, how do you come to the conclusion that moving LA closer to the basket is a good thing? With the exception of shots in the 0-4' range, his shooting percentage falls as he moves closer to the basket. And that doesn't even factor in the increased number of times that he's stripped by those pesky defenders that swarm him when he gets close to the basket. Guys like you keep wanting to try to turn LA into ZBo without recognition of the fact that he's not very good at playing in traffic. When LA was shooting 46% from mid-range, the Blazers were killing the competition. Teams had to pick their poison and either let him rack up 35 a night, or try to slow him down and have the guys on the perimeter sink them with 3-pointers. When LA went into a slump, teams began playing him straight up and stayed home on 3-point shooters. It has nothing to do with surprise, rather it's a fact that one of the key elements of Stotts' offense isn't working the way it should.

That said, this isn't an either-or situation. LA has done more in backing his man down this season than in the past. I'm sure he's going to keep improving in that area.

What your not calculating is his odds of getting FT's as he moves closer to the hoop. When LA switches over to the center position his EFG% drops as you indicate with the numbers however his FTA nearly double going from 5.4 per 48 to 10.5 per 48, at near 82% from the line that is easy points right there. In addition to the free throws as a defender picks up more fouls they either sit the bench or become a little more tentative.

 

[oldmangrouch]

And what has happened to the 3 point shots since LA went into a slump with his midrange game? It's taken a nosedive as well because teams haven't had to double LA. Spacing the court is critical and that doesn't happen when your 2 bigs are camped under the basket and everyone else is at the 3point arc.

LMA is in an extended slump and other players are regressing to their norm. We can all agree on the problem - but what is the solution? Do you just keep on keeping on, or do you try something different? (eg having LMA spend more time in the post) Do you stick with what worked earlier in the season, or do you make adjustments?

 

[Denny Crane]

More defense is the answer, IMO. They're 25th in opponents' PPG. If they were 15th, these close games wouldn't be close.

 

[jlprk]

What your not calculating is his odds of getting FT's as he moves closer to the hoop. When LA switches over to the center position his EFG% drops as you indicate with the numbers however his FTA nearly double going from 5.4 per 48 to 10.5 per 48, at near 82% from the line that is easy points right there. In addition to the free throws as a defender picks up more fouls they either sit the bench or become a little more tentative.

That's the 800-pound gorilla.
That's the bull in the china shop.
That's the elephant in the swimming pool.

You finally found a new direction to take the argument. Ding ding ding!!
That's the winner on the Gong Show.

 

[maxiep]

While I might be cherry picking data to support an opinion, last I checked that is part of debating.

Some of us are more interested in the truth than simple debate, but you keep filling that Ox Box with your half-truths.

And while I disagree with your contention that forums make it hard to be a fan, this thread certainly could be used as one of those cherry-picked facts you're so fond of spewing to support your thesis.

 

[maxiep]

You know, what's fun about looking at individual stats is that it completely discounts how LA's positioning and the way he has to be guarded affects the rest of the team. Bottom line, he plays in down in the post instead of at the elbow, it makes life much easier for the defense.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Thanks for lowering my opinion of you, suggesting someone has a mental handicap is a personal insult and against the rules. Furthermore, my cousin has Aspergers and it makes his life tough, he has a hard time communicating with people and because of it has very few friends, he is also heavily picked on at school, to the point of being borderline suicidal.

Troll my posts all you want but your better than this act like it.

My best friend is an aspie. He rips the tags out of his shirts so I like to stick receipts Down his back, it drives him nuts. Great guy though.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

More defense is the answer, IMO. They're 25th in opponents' PPG. If they were 15th, these close games wouldn't be close.

This, I said at beginning of year if we could stay number 1 offense and get defense up to middle of the pack we would dominate. This is just a testament to how atrocious our d really is.