why the bad rap on sean williams?

[SUPERB]

I dont get it. Dude has never said or done anything negative to the team. Yet everyone talks bad about him, about how his head isnt right or he is crazy.

He isnt a bad player at all imo.
He just has to get his fous together. That comes from mentoring and coaching. after that is in place it takes the player to dig down and decide how good he wants to be.

For the nets to be talking so bad about a 2 yr player that is only what 22 yrs old?? that really shows me a lack of class with this organization.

If they give up on him because he fouls too much or sometimes doesnt know a play then i think that is really disgraceful.

 

[NJNetz]

I'm not sure as to what you're talking about. I haven't heard these "negative" talks about him.


He did get kicked off his college team for smoking pot. Perhaps, that's what it is, though, it really doesn't matter.

 

[Astral]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SUPERB @ Jul 15 2008, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont get it. Dude has never said or done anything negative to the team. Yet everyone talks bad about him, about how his head isnt right or he is crazy.

He isnt a bad player at all imo.
He just has to get his fous together. That comes from mentoring and coaching. after that is in place it takes the player to dig down and decide how good he wants to be.

For the nets to be talking so bad about a 2 yr player that is only what 22 yrs old?? that really shows me a lack of class with this organization.

If they give up on him because he fouls too much or sometimes doesnt know a play then i think that is really disgraceful.</div>
The Nets never talked bad about him. In fact, they took him DESPITE all of his problems throughout college. If you need to, look them up.

Focus has nothing to do with coaching. Either you concentrate or you don't.

As for your last sentence, that's actually a pretty good reason to give up on someone. He's supposed to be playing basketball. If he can't play basketball on an NBA level then he shouldn't be in it. Athleticism and weak side blocks does not equal good basketball player.

BTW, I don't think they are or should give up on him.

 

[ghoti]

He's immature and kind of a goofball, but I have seen a lot of comments about how smart he is and how hard a worker he has become.

I personally have very high hopes for this guy. Out of all the Nets' draft picks over the last five years, he is my favorite because I think he is the only one that has a prayer of ever becoming an All-Star.

 

[Netted]

I don't know where this is coming from. Haven't seen the team say anything overly negative of him at all.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 15 2008, 09:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know where this is coming from. Haven't seen the team say anything overly negative of him at all.</div>

I think Dave D reported that they were concerned because he was singing in the shower after tough losses and just generally acting weird.

This guy has an offbeat personality that not everyone understands.

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 15 2008, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 15 2008, 09:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know where this is coming from. Haven't seen the team say anything overly negative of him at all.</div>

I think Dave D reported that they were concerned because he was singing in the shower after tough losses and just generally acting weird.

This guy has an offbeat personality that not everyone understands.
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That was mentioned just after the season ended. Has nothing to do with anything going on today. The way this thread was started you would think there's a bunch of recent comments slamming Sean.

 

[soul driver]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 15 2008, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 15 2008, 09:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know where this is coming from. Haven't seen the team say anything overly negative of him at all.</div>

I think Dave D reported that they were concerned because he was singing in the shower after tough losses and just generally acting weird.

This guy has an offbeat personality that not everyone understands.
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I told everyone, he's Andre 3000. He's not exactly "normal" in some senses of the word

 

[danxcr]

SO WHAT if he sings after losses? at least he doesnt drink and do crack after losses... jeeezz

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 15 2008, 10:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>SO WHAT if he sings after losses? at least he doesnt drink and do crack after losses... jeeezz</div>
Yeah... he doesn't murder or rape people either.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 15 2008, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 15 2008, 10:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>SO WHAT if he sings after losses? at least he doesnt drink and do crack after losses... jeeezz</div>
Yeah... he doesn't murder or rape people either.
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He doesn't even choke people or uninvitedly grab people's crotches.

 

[SUPERB]

lol.

 

[rory]

The bad rap I've heard on him (as well as Marcus) is that he has to learn how to be a "professional." That's incredibly vague, but I think it means he has to take pages out of the Boone/Collins playbook and just practice practice practice.

 

[Black Republican]

I think he's overrated

 

[Lavalamp]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver @ Jul 15 2008, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I told everyone, he's Andre 3000. He's not exactly "normal" in some senses of the word

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I bet most teammates like having an upbeat Andre 3000 kind of guy around. I'm guessing that's not the coaches dream though lol.

 

[Dumpy]

Part of the issue with Sean is assessing the probablility that he will eventually develop into a plus player, and, if so, how long it will take for him to get there. There have been many super-athletic players that never developed into good baskeball players. Right now, though, there are enough teams that value athleticism over skills that they'd be willing to give up something valuable for him . . . unless he makes improvements, that number will gradually start to decline over the next two years.

Assessing the long-term prospects of someone like Sean is very difficult. You also have to try to project how he will be best effective, based on his size and skill set, and whether that would fit into what the Nets are looking for.

I don't mind his flakiness, so long as he isn't outright immature and demonstrate adolescent behavior in the locker room or at practice, which we'd never hear about. There's nothing wrong with being flakey. It's just an outlet for a different type of person. Believe me, if there's something I understand, it is flakiness.

But again, the issue here appears to be ore of accurately projecting his future and his upside . . . Rod Carney and James White are super athletic also, and look where it has gotten them.

The Nets historically have declined to pay for young players to learn basic basketball skills--they want their draftees to have a good sense of the fundamentals and be able to contribute on a consistent basis. Sean was the biggest deviation from that policy, as far as I can tell.

 

[Super John]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SUPERB @ Jul 15 2008, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont get it. Dude has never said or done anything negative to the team. Yet everyone talks bad about him, about how his head isnt right or he is crazy.

He isnt a bad player at all imo.</div>

His size makes him an odd fit for the C or PF positions--he often looked dwarfed last year by some of the bigger players in the league--I think otherwise he's behaved himself enough not to deserve the "attitude" nonsense being tossed his way.

 

[kk30]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Super John @ Jul 16 2008, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SUPERB @ Jul 15 2008, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont get it. Dude has never said or done anything negative to the team. Yet everyone talks bad about him, about how his head isnt right or he is crazy.

He isnt a bad player at all imo.</div>

His size makes him an odd fit for the C or PF positions--he often looked dwarfed last year by some of the bigger players in the league--I think otherwise he's behaved himself enough not to deserve the "attitude" nonsense being tossed his way.

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Isn't he 6'10 thats not bad but I had the same feeling that he doesn't have the muscle to play down low. He really has to bulk up.

 

[danxcr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 16 2008, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Super John @ Jul 16 2008, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SUPERB @ Jul 15 2008, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont get it. Dude has never said or done anything negative to the team. Yet everyone talks bad about him, about how his head isnt right or he is crazy.

He isnt a bad player at all imo.</div>

His size makes him an odd fit for the C or PF positions--he often looked dwarfed last year by some of the bigger players in the league--I think otherwise he's behaved himself enough not to deserve the "attitude" nonsense being tossed his way.

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Isn't he 6'10 thats not bad but I had the same feeling that he doesn't have the muscle to play down low. He really has to bulk up.
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nah hes only 6'8" with a wingspan of like a 7 footer

 

[kk30]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 16 2008, 07:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 16 2008, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Super John @ Jul 16 2008, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SUPERB @ Jul 15 2008, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont get it. Dude has never said or done anything negative to the team. Yet everyone talks bad about him, about how his head isnt right or he is crazy.

He isnt a bad player at all imo.</div>

His size makes him an odd fit for the C or PF positions--he often looked dwarfed last year by some of the bigger players in the league--I think otherwise he's behaved himself enough not to deserve the "attitude" nonsense being tossed his way.

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Isn't he 6'10 thats not bad but I had the same feeling that he doesn't have the muscle to play down low. He really has to bulk up.
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nah hes only 6'8" with a wingspan of like a 7 footer

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I know in an article Ryan Anderson said that but did you hear that anyplace else?

 

[danxcr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 16 2008, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Jul 16 2008, 07:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 16 2008, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Super John @ Jul 16 2008, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SUPERB @ Jul 15 2008, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont get it. Dude has never said or done anything negative to the team. Yet everyone talks bad about him, about how his head isnt right or he is crazy.

He isnt a bad player at all imo.</div>

His size makes him an odd fit for the C or PF positions--he often looked dwarfed last year by some of the bigger players in the league--I think otherwise he's behaved himself enough not to deserve the "attitude" nonsense being tossed his way.

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Isn't he 6'10 thats not bad but I had the same feeling that he doesn't have the muscle to play down low. He really has to bulk up.
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nah hes only 6'8" with a wingspan of like a 7 footer

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I know in an article Ryan Anderson said that but did you hear that anyplace else?
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nah i guess not... anybody else have info?!!?

 

[rory]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Super John @ Jul 16 2008, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SUPERB @ Jul 15 2008, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont get it. Dude has never said or done anything negative to the team. Yet everyone talks bad about him, about how his head isnt right or he is crazy.

He isnt a bad player at all imo.</div>

His size makes him an odd fit for the C or PF positions--he often looked dwarfed last year by some of the bigger players in the league--I think otherwise he's behaved himself enough not to deserve the "attitude" nonsense being tossed his way.

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Well, the fans saying this aren't making it up - if you pay attention to many interviews throughout the season you could tell that something with his attitude was going on behind the scenes. I remember, towards the end of last season (actually, I think it was the first game w/Devin Harris vs. Milwaukee), listening to the post game show. Someone asked Chris Carrino and Tim Capstraw - not just announcers but Nets PR guys - about Sean Williams playing time, and they just ripped into him, criticizing his maturity and attitude.

 

[chingd15]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rory @ Jul 16 2008, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Super John @ Jul 16 2008, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SUPERB @ Jul 15 2008, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont get it. Dude has never said or done anything negative to the team. Yet everyone talks bad about him, about how his head isnt right or he is crazy.

He isnt a bad player at all imo.</div>

His size makes him an odd fit for the C or PF positions--he often looked dwarfed last year by some of the bigger players in the league--I think otherwise he's behaved himself enough not to deserve the "attitude" nonsense being tossed his way.

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Well, the fans saying this aren't making it up - if you pay attention to many interviews throughout the season you could tell that something with his attitude was going on behind the scenes. I remember, towards the end of last season (actually, I think it was the first game w/Devin Harris vs. Milwaukee), listening to the post game show. Someone asked Chris Carrino and Tim Capstraw - not just announcers but Nets PR guys - about Sean Williams playing time, and they just ripped into him, criticizing his maturity and attitude.
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OMG, I had never heard Tim Capstraw rip into a kid like that time when we were in the car and leaving the game. I do like Sean and from all the things I've heard, he's not a BAD person, just "young" like Rory said, immature and with attitude issues. I just think the kid is way laid back and they want intense young kids that just wanna run through a wall, ala Ronny Turiaf or something. Kid's got talent, just hasn't earned the respect to be a laid back "superstar"... like VC.....

 

[GMJ]

I feel that the perceived "hate" on Sean is the result of a frustrated fan base. After losing Kenyon we've had an itch for a similar type of player that could have a similar type of effect. I think a lot of that is seen in Sean, and that for every game or step in his career (for instance, his 2nd year summer league) that he doesn't rise to these expectations it disappoints these people. He could become such a great player; people are anxious for this to happen if it does happen.

 

[nets1]

As far as the height issue: What did the pre draft camp in Orlando say about his official measurements? Anybody have a link to last years camp?

 

[networks]

I personally like the kid.

Yeah he had some immature moments last year but he was a rookie. Since when do people get on a rookie's case after his first year.

The guy may have some weird practices, but so did Rodman.He will go down as one of the best rebounders and defenders. It took him more than 1 year to accomplish that. Sean has all the pieces to become a very good player in this league. I say we keep him with patience he will be good.

As far as singing in the shower after a lose. I would rather that then people smiling with the opposing team players on the court after a tough lose.

 

[kk30]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (networks @ Jul 17 2008, 11:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I personally like the kid.

Yeah he had some immature moments last year but he was a rookie. Since when do people get on a rookie's case after his first year.

The guy may have some weird practices, but so did Rodman.He will go down as one of the best rebounders and defenders. It took him more than 1 year to accomplish that. Sean has all the pieces to become a very good player in this league. I say we keep him with patience he will be good.

As far as singing in the shower after a lose. I would rather that then people smiling with the opposing team players on the court after a tough lose.</div>

when was he singing in the shower after a loss?

 

[danxcr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 17 2008, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (networks @ Jul 17 2008, 11:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I personally like the kid.

Yeah he had some immature moments last year but he was a rookie. Since when do people get on a rookie's case after his first year.

The guy may have some weird practices, but so did Rodman.He will go down as one of the best rebounders and defenders. It took him more than 1 year to accomplish that. Sean has all the pieces to become a very good player in this league. I say we keep him with patience he will be good.

As far as singing in the shower after a lose. I would rather that then people smiling with the opposing team players on the court after a tough lose.</div>

when was he singing in the shower after a loss?
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i forget exactly when but that was actually reported... but so what if he sings? he isnt doing anything illegal... or hurtin somebody else or his own body for losing... let the kid sing