Why was PapaG banned?

[MarAzul]

Re: Why was the "Why was PapaG Banned?" thread closed?

I asked for suggestions, ideas or help to make sure that this wouldn't just keep happening over and over and over again. No one offered anything. The only replies were more complaints about staff. PapaG had promised multiple times to not personally insult people anymore. He has been taken off being suspended and taken off being permanently banned before. He won't stop this behavior. Again, if you want to blame someone blame me. This is my fault for allowing this to go on as long as it has.

Gee Sly! I didn't see anything you did that offended me, to the contrary, I was impressed with how you tried to pull Nate off his war horse. I can't blame you for failing.

I didn't see anything that offended me in Papa G. Amusing perhaps but not offensive.

Nate drew my attention when he goaded and prodded Papa G and then Capped it with his ban.

Then Nate delivered the worst personal attack on me that I have seen on S2, but it didn't offend me. I would like to meet the SOB but I am not offended.

I think the wrong guy is gone if anyone has to go.

 

[MARIS61]

Re: Why was the "Why was PapaG Banned?" thread closed?

In one post he says he likes to post to provoke a reaction.

Then a day later he posts that he doesn't like the reactions that he provokes.

Throw in some stuff about people here are racists and bigots and I'm going to shut it down.

All posters post for a reaction. Duh. Why bother posting if you are ignored?

Few posters get the reaction they seek. Oh well.

All humans are racist. Check.

Sorry, if you have a point it is obscured by clouds or something.

 

[Natebishop3]

Re: Why was the "Why was PapaG Banned?" thread closed?

Gee Sly! I didn't see anything you did that offended me, to the contrary, I was impressed with how you tried to pull Nate off his war horse. I can't blame you for failing.

I didn't see anything that offended me in Papa G. Amusing perhaps but not offensive.

Nate drew my attention when he goaded and prodded Papa G and then Capped it with his ban.

Then Nate delivered the worst personal attack on me that I have seen on S2, but it didn't offend me. I would like to meet the SOB but I am not offended.

I think the wrong guy is gone if anyone has to go.

That was the worst personal attack you've ever seen on S2? Buddy, that was my point to begin with. You don't spend enough time on the main board to know why PapaG was permanently banned.

I wasn't attacking you as a Blazer fan. I wasn't questioning your knowledge of basketball or your devotion to the Portland Trail Blazers. I was saying that you don't post enough on the main Blazers forum to have perspective on why PapaG was banned. I think the post came out more harsh than I intended, but the point was to emphasize that I don't think you completely understand the history and reasoning behind his removal. Some of us have been dealing with him since 2008.

You only have about 2500 posts, and you spend a lot of time on the OT forum. That's not a personal attack, that's a statistical fact. I have over 43,000 posts, most of which have been on the main blazers forum. That's not meant to be a boast. That's to give you some perspective on how much time I've spent around the guy. He has made so many personal attacks and gotten into so many feuds with so many posters, and yet after almost six years he is just now being permanently banned? I don't see how this was something that was done hastily or unfairly. He's been given numerous warnings, suspensions, and chances.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Re: Why was the "Why was PapaG Banned?" thread closed?

All posters post for a reaction. Duh. Why bother posting if you are ignored?

Not all, some post to have a normal conversation or to exchange ideas. Not everything has to be combative. He admits that he posts to rile people up and then he complains after they are riled. It's similar to what you like to do but you never complain after you rile someone up.

 

[MARIS61]

He says reaction, which is a necessary part of any debate.

You say combative, which is more like what DennyCrane does.

cmeese's post are more milquetoast than marine.

And I don't try to rile people, I am only here to educate them and share with them the wealth of my long and uniquely experienced life.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Re: Why was the "Why was PapaG Banned?" thread closed?

Not all, some post to have a normal conversation or to exchange ideas. Not everything has to be combative. He admits that he posts to rile people up and then he complains after they are riled. It's similar to what you like to do but you never complain after you rile someone up.

Go fuck yourself, Chris.

 

[MarAzul]

Re: Why was the "Why was PapaG Banned?" thread closed?

That was the worst personal attack you've ever seen on S2? Buddy, that was my point to begin with. You don't spend enough time on the main board to know why PapaG was permanently banned.

I wasn't attacking you as a Blazer fan. I wasn't questioning your knowledge of basketball or your devotion to the Portland Trail Blazers. I was saying that you don't post enough on the main Blazers forum to have perspective on why PapaG was banned. I think the post came out more harsh than I intended, but the point was to emphasize that I don't think you completely understand the history and reasoning behind his removal. Some of us have been dealing with him since 2008.

You only have about 2500 posts, and you spend a lot of time on the OT forum. That's not a personal attack, that's a statistical fact. I have over 43,000 posts, most of which have been on the main blazers forum. That's not meant to be a boast. That's to give you some perspective on how much time I've spent around the guy. He has made so many personal attacks and gotten into so many feuds with so many posters, and yet after almost six years he is just now being permanently banned? I don't see how this was something that was done hastily or unfairly. He's been given numerous warnings, suspensions, and chances.

Ha! 43000 posts! That hardly brings wisdom. Change my 2500 post to 25000 and I you will still be what you are, out of control, unwilling to take advice, even unwilling to learn.
Sort weird how you count posts, you have no idea what I read.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

He says reaction, which is a necessary part of any debate.

You say combative, which is more like what DennyCrane does.

cmeese's post are more milquetoast than marine.

And I don't try to rile people, I am only here to educate them and share with them the wealth of my long and uniquely experienced life.

Did I delete his posts? Suspend him? Ban him? No, I just didn't think that what he posted was doing anything to further the discussion about PapaG. He was complaining about the forum in general. Instead of sidetracking the conversation further I closed the thread.

You asked why and I explained.

You didn't like the explanation and wanted to talk more about the banning of PapaG.

So I reopened the thread.

If you want to take issue with everything that I say, do or don't do that's fine. You have a wealth of long and unique life experiences. I care and I'm willing to listen.

 

[Natebishop3]

Re: Why was the "Why was PapaG Banned?" thread closed?

Ha! 43000 posts! That hardly brings wisdom. Change my 2500 post to 25000 and I you will still be what you are, out of control, unwilling to take advice, even unwilling to learn.
Sort weird how you count posts, you have no idea what I read.

Did I say it was wisdom? I used post count as a way to show time spent on the forum. It has nothing to do with wisdom, knowledge, or fandom. You post primarily on the OT forum. You can't dispute that fact. Do you think maybe it's not a personal attack, but maybe that I have more experience dealing with PapaG than you do?

I'm out of control? I have been a mod for five years. I have banned one or two people in that time. I am completely willing to learn, but not from people who choose to attack me, or people who don't know all the facts. Any time we have had to take action against a poster, whether it was myself or Sly doing the discipline, we have had to deal with the same handful of people who complain about any banning. It gets old. You think I goaded him? I didn't personally attack him.

We only have a handful of rules on this forum, and personal attacks are one of those rules. I don't care if you think I'm an asshole, but you can't personally attack me. If you punched someone in the face because you thought they were an asshole, you would be arrested for assault. It's that simple. You can dislike people. You can attack their thoughts and ideas, but you can't attack them personally, and that's what PapaG did, repeatedly, over a span of six years.

 

[MarAzul]

Re: Why was the "Why was PapaG Banned?" thread closed?

Did I say it was wisdom? I used post count as a way to show time spent on the forum. It has nothing to do with wisdom, knowledge, or fandom. You post primarily on the OT forum. You can't dispute that fact. Do you think maybe it's not a personal attack, but maybe that I have more experience dealing with PapaG than you do?

I'm out of control? I have been a mod for five years. I have banned one or two people in that time. I am completely willing to learn, but not from people who choose to attack me, or people who don't know all the facts. Any time we have had to take action against a poster, whether it was myself or Sly doing the discipline, we have had to deal with the same handful of people who complain about any banning. It gets old. You think I goaded him? I didn't personally attack him.

We only have a handful of rules on this forum, and personal attacks are one of those rules. I don't care if you think I'm an asshole, but you can't personally attack me. If you punched someone in the face because you thought they were an asshole, you would be arrested for assault. It's that simple. You can dislike people. You can attack their thoughts and ideas, but you can't attack them personally, and that's what PapaG did, repeatedly, over a span of six years.

I don't think you are an asshole! I am very sure that SlyPokerDog is.

 

[Natebishop3]

Re: Why was the "Why was PapaG Banned?" thread closed?

I don't think you are an asshole! I am very sure that SlyPokerDog is.

Well that's true.

 

[Ed O]

People who like posting with PapaG should go start their own board, find volunteer mods, pay for hosting and maintenance of the site, keep user data secure and then have fun chatting with him there.

That's an easy solution. I have every confidence in Nate and SPD as mods, with Denny as the owner of this site, and with the people who would be willing to stay here and talk basketball, rather than insult people (mods or not) repeatedly in spite of knowing that the action is not welcome here.

Ed O.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

People who like posting with PapaG should go start their own board, find volunteer mods, pay for hosting and maintenance of the site, keep user data secure and then have fun chatting with him there.

That's an easy solution. I have every confidence in Nate and SPD as mods, with Denny as the owner of this site, and with the people who would be willing to stay here and talk basketball, rather than insult people (mods or not) repeatedly in spite of knowing that the action is not welcome here.

Ed O.

www.tehboard.com

:MARIS61:

 

[jlprk]

Nate, you can't win with these guys. So I said, just post once a day and just say, "Fuck you."

Machiavelli said, the Prince who's a nice guy is despised. The cruel Prince is respected.

 

[PDXFonz]

Can we at least unban him from my Milwaukee bucks forum?

 

[magnifier661]

Sometimes I just eat a turkey sandwich

 

[Natebishop3]

Sometimes I just eat a turkey sandwich

That's a strange thing to call your wife's va-jay-jay.

 

[cmeese47]

Re: Why was the "Why was PapaG Banned?" thread closed?

In one post he says he likes to post to provoke a reaction.

Then a day later he posts that he doesn't like the reactions that he provokes.

Throw in some stuff about people here are racists and bigots and I'm going to shut it down.

Yah a reaction from people like Papag and blazer fanatic because buried with in the barbs and insults lies an argument usually a good one. That is what made things fun.

Too many people just like to call an idea stupid without the debate.

 

[julius]

People who like posting with PapaG should go start their own board, find volunteer mods, pay for hosting and maintenance of the site, keep user data secure and then have fun chatting with him there.

That's an easy solution. I have every confidence in Nate and SPD as mods, with Denny as the owner of this site, and with the people who would be willing to stay here and talk basketball, rather than insult people (mods or not) repeatedly in spite of knowing that the action is not welcome here.

Ed O.

asl

n00b!

 

[magnifier661]

That's a strange thing to call your wife's va-jay-jay.

No that's fresh tuna sandwich

 

[Vintage]

I mean what does Natebishop3 really do? Bait posters, then ban them when he gets the reaction he wanted? Part of a ploy. In the infamous words of Bill Parcells, "you've been sucked."

This is tyranny. This is an outrage. Grab your pitchforks. Burn your bras. Revolt!

 

[magnifier661]

I mean what does Natebishop3 really do? Bait posters, then ban them when he gets the reaction he wanted? Part of a ploy. In the infamous words of Bill Parcells, "you've been sucked."

This is tyranny. This is an outrage. Grab your pitchforks. Burn your bras. Revolt!

No he just doesn't like you

 

[MarAzul]

No he just doesn't like you

Or me, or Papa G. How many of those is too many for a Mod?

 

[Natebishop3]

Or me, or Papa G. How many of those is too many for a Mod?

I never said I don't like you man! I think you and I see eye to eye on a lot of things, just not on how to handle PapaG.

 

[Further]

Just want to point out that in the past, at least the last time, papag was not suspended as has been said several times, he was banned, but then there was begging by him, acceptance of another shot by myself (who was attacked by papag) and the mods who were involved in the banning process. His ban was forgiven as long as he stopped attacking people. He did not stop, hence he was banned again. This time, I hope it's permanent.

I'm sure he will come on as some other poster anyway, just a new name noob, but hopefully when he does he participates with his opinions and not his incessant attacks. His opinions, especially his bball ones were interesting and added a different perspective. But papag by name should remain banned.

 

[MarAzul]

Just want to point out that in the past, at least the last time, papag was not suspended as has been said several times, he was banned, but then there was begging by him, acceptance of another shot by myself (who was attacked by papag) and the mods who were involved in the banning process. His ban was forgiven as long as he stopped attacking people. He did not stop, hence he was banned again. This time, I hope it's permanent.

I'm sure he will come on as some other poster anyway, just a new name noob, but hopefully when he does he participates with his opinions and not his incessant attacks. His opinions, especially his bball ones were interesting and added a different perspective. But papag by name should remain banned.

Well, rejoice, you won your way. My what a happy day! Do you feel successful, perhaps even more powerful?

 

[Further]

Well, rejoice, you won your way. My what a happy day! Do you feel successful, perhaps even more powerful?

Not in the least. I feel less annoyed with this place, that's about it. I had zero input so no reason for me to feel successful or powerful. In fact, as I stated above, the last time I petitioned on behalf of papag to have him reinstated. But enough is enough. One time too many. And that's just the way it is. Even after papag returned and made snide comments and minor attacks towards me, I never responded nor contacted any mod. I was not out to get him, but that doesn't mean that he most certainly deserved to be banned.

 

[Natebishop3]

Just want to point out that in the past, at least the last time, papag was not suspended as has been said several times, he was banned, but then there was begging by him, acceptance of another shot by myself (who was attacked by papag) and the mods who were involved in the banning process. His ban was forgiven as long as he stopped attacking people. He did not stop, hence he was banned again. This time, I hope it's permanent.

I'm sure he will come on as some other poster anyway, just a new name noob, but hopefully when he does he participates with his opinions and not his incessant attacks. His opinions, especially his bball ones were interesting and added a different perspective. But papag by name should remain banned.

And he's gotten into some pretty big feuds since he was allowed to come back. He was in a big flame war with Mediocre Man not more than three days before I banned him.

 

[Further]

Well, rejoice, you won your way. My what a happy day! Do you feel successful, perhaps even more powerful?

And did you read the second part? I said he would come back by another name anyway, and that would be fine so long as he expressed his opinions and not attack people. That's all I want, that's all any of the mods want. A poster to share opinions and not attack others. It's a simple concept and I hope if he comes back under another name he adheres to that concept.

 

[Natebishop3]

And did you read the second part? I said he would come back by another name anyway, and that would be fine so long as he expressed his opinions and not attack people. That's all I want, that's all any of the mods want. A poster to share opinions and not attack others. It's a simple concept and I hope if he comes back under another name he adheres to that concept.

I don't. What's the point of banning someone if they just come back? He has proven that he won't change.