Why was PapaG banned?

[MarAzul]

Sly, this community is better off without him. His type of posting talks down to other posters and he typically includes insults/slights in his arguments. It wouldn't be so bad if he didn't proliferate the forum 24/7.

I'm with Denny. I prefer to move along and find basketball topics to discuss.

Hobbs my friend, you are just a little sensitive to perceived insults and slights. Perhaps the community is not better off without him, not all of it for sure.

 

[OneLifeToLive]

This is the thread that led to PapaG being banned -

http://sportstwo.com/threads/264973-Forget-Embiid/page2

First, I like PapaG and we have already made plans to get together for beers next month. I'm not here to slam on the guy.

PapaG along with a few others have a problem with personal insults. He has been suspended and banned previously for insulting people he disagrees with. Each time he has come back he has told me that he would not do that anymore. In the Embiid thread he and Mediocre Man got into once again. Post after post of trading insults. Honestly I should have suspended both them but I didn't because I didn't feel like getting into a long drawn out discussion and debate about what a power hungry asshole I am. So instead I edited all of the insults and was glad that they took the hint and stopped.

Except they didn't stop. Mediocre Man was PM'ing telling me that because I edited one of his posts he is leaving and never coming back. PapaG is complaining that I edited more posts of his than I did of MM's. And then I discover hours later that they didn't stop arguing and insulting they just moved it to a different thread.

Nate was on vacation and when he came back he saw all of this. Arguing/debating with someone in this forum is fine. It's one of the things that make forums fun. Nate and PapaG were having an argument/debate. There is nothing wrong with that. PapaG then posted a personal insult. Nate decided enough was enough. PapaG when he was un-banned the last time was told not to do that again. He did many many times and finally someone did something about it.

Nate did nothing wrong. Yes, Nate was arguing with PapaG but Nate was not personally insulting him or his family. There is a difference.

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Now, I am not unreasonable. I don't like seeing PapaG get banned. I actually like the guy and a lot of his takes on basketball and politics. I have brought back PapaG from being permanently banned before. I could be talked back into bringing back PapaG from being banned this time but that is up to some of you. Are any of you going to step in when he is getting riled up and starting to insult someone? Are you going to tell him in the thread or via PM to mellow out? Are you only going to complain about how unfair and how much Nate and I suck or are you going to help and try to defuse things?

I treat this forum like a community and I treat all of you with respect as members of that community. That is what I am asking of you too. Will you be part of the solution or will you only sit back and complain when something happens that you don't like?

Well, I didn't see anything in there worth banning him over. Are you sure it's this one? Thought it had to do with an interaction between he and Nate?

 

[OneLifeToLive]

Hobbs my friend, you are just a little sensitive to perceived insults and slights. Perhaps the community is not better off without him, not all of it for sure.

If that kind of behavior is keeping the forum down, I would say that the forum is better off without that kind of behavior.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

WHERE DID NATE GO IN VACAY?

 

[crandc]

I would be just as offended if crandc got banned. Especially if she fought with a mod forever and that specific mod woke up on the wrong side of the bed one day (motel 6 always has the beds in weird spots) and banned her for something trivial.

I haven't fought with a mod forever.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Well, I didn't see anything in there worth banning him over. Are you sure it's this one? Thought it had to do with an interaction between he and Nate?

You do realize they weren't really talking about how sexy I am right? Multiple personal insults were removed.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

He really was the Rush Limbaugh of S2.

Long overdue.

 

[MarAzul]

He really was the Rush Limbaugh of S2.

Long overdue.

Limbaugh?? Gawd that was a mindless comment.

 

[OneLifeToLive]

You do realize they weren't really talking about how sexy I am right? Multiple personal insults were removed.

If they were taking shots and belittling someone else. They get what they get.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Limbaugh?? Gawd that was a mindless comment.

See, that's perfect! You attacked his post and not him personally.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Hobbs my friend, you are just a little sensitive to perceived insults and slights. Perhaps the community is not better off without him, not all of it for sure.

Well, my friend, you could always go back to O-Live where they don't care about perceived insults and slights. Isn't that why you stopped going there and became a member here?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Limbaugh?? Gawd that was a mindless comment.

Yes, Limbaugh.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

If they were taking shots and belittling someone else. They get what they get.

They were insulting each other. I edited them so that they were both insulting me. Sometimes I get a little too cute in how I moderate instead of bringing the hammer down, lol. My editing turnout to not stop the problem and only ended up having Nate to eventually do the dirty work.

I'm insecure and just want everyone to love me!

 

[OneLifeToLive]

They were insulting each other. I edited them so that they were both insulting me. Sometimes I get a little too cute in how I moderate instead of bringing the hammer down, lol. My editing turnout to not stop the problem and only ended up having Nate to eventually do the dirty work.

I'm insecure and just want everyone to love me!

I had assumed due to Nate talking about the personal attacks that they were directed at him and they were ripping on him with information they had on him.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Can we also try talking basketball in those topics, since every thread either dies from a lack of replies or blows up because of drama or stupid drunk off topic postings.

Cmeese47, your post is an idiot.

Am I dong this right Sly?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Your post is an idiot.

Am I dong this right Sly?

Works for me.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

YOUR post, hypothetically speaking, seems like it was typed by someone with upsyndrome.

Hypothetically speaking.

 

[cmeese47]

It seems to me the staff(1) was primed and ready, even goaded the man on.
My first encounter with Nate was not so great, now I am convinced he is a bully with a hammer.

I would fire his ass, might make a better man than what we get. One member of the staff tried to talk him down but Nate ignored the suggestion.
Overall, I rate the performance, poor.

Certainly could be handled better

 

[cmeese47]

See, that's perfect! You attacked his post and not him personally.

Yah cause that policy never creates drama

 

[PDXFonz]

See, that's perfect! You attacked his post and not him personally.

That's such a ridiculous double standard.

1 person says they called the post mindless, another says it was insinuating that the poster is mindless.

 

[OneLifeToLive]

Certainly could be handled better

Not necessarily from you but the hate and distaste in this thread is abominable.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

YOUR post, hypothetically speaking, seems like it was typed by someone with upsyndrome.

Hypothetically speaking.

Wow . . . that's good.

(Not sarcastic, I really like that . . . creative)

 

[cmeese47]

Cmeese47, your post is an idiot.

Am I dong this right Sly?

I find you spelling my name wrong to be a personal attack

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Yah cause that policy never creates drama

When you attack what someone posts it causes them to defend or explain further their position or idea.

When you attack/insult someone personally it causes them just to insult you back. All real discussion ends and it just turns into a pissing match.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I find you spelling my name wrong to be a personal attack

Since you feel that way I went back and edited his post so your is spelled correctly.

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ToB, if you're going to insult cmeese47's posts please make sure you spell his name correctly.

 

[cmeese47]

When you attack what someone posts it causes them to defend or explain further their position or idea.

When you attack/insult someone personally it causes them just to insult you back. All real discussion ends and it just turns into a pissing match.

Sure if it was done in a civilized manner most replies though are god that was stupid etc. It makes people defensive and turns threads into a cock measuribg contest. Rarely do people use actual stats or basketball terminology to counter an argument.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Sure if it was done in a civilized manner most replies though are god that was stupid etc. It makes people defensive and turns threads into a cock measuribg contest. Rarely do people use actual stats or basketball terminology to counter an argument.

People did when they were pointing out the errors of your trade idea.

 

[cmeese47]

Since you feel that way I went back and edited his post so your is spelled correctly.

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ToB, if you're going to insult cmeese47's posts please make sure you spell his name correctly.

Thanks but the numbers were not necessary

 

[The_Lillard_King]

That's such a ridiculous double standard.

1 person says they called the post mindless, another says it was insinuating that the poster is mindless.

I see your point and agree. Posters can stay within the rules and still make their insulting point.

I think common sense rules over everything else. Papag got suspended/banned because of his history on this board, not because of one comment. I don't think there is a strict interpretation of rules going, we have real people looking at the situation in it's entirety and making a judgement call. It''s a tough job because inherently when you are given discretion and have to make a tough call, some are not going to like it (no matter what call you make). But can anyone really say the mods here are out of control. Anyone who has any experience with other forum chat rooms would probably say this is one of the easiest going and non regulated chat rooms around. The mods here aren't perfect, but they do a pretty damn good job, IMO.

I do agree Nate is a little controversial as a mod. He is emotional and times irrational . . . but this is a volunteer job (as far as I know) and he does spend a lot of time and energy trying to keep this place in check.

 

[cmeese47]

People did when they were pointing out the errors of your trade idea.

Some did and I thanked them