Why?

[RR7]

I can't argue with that, but like that Chinese knife attack, 22 kids were stabbed. And while that attack didn't take any lives, there have been many stabbings in China in the last few years that did. So like I said, we need to understand the cause rather than worry about the aftermath. But it's easier to blame the guns than to take a long, hard look at what is causing this.

It's ideal to understand and stop the cause, for sure. However, like was just mentioned, nobody died in the Chinese attack. I'm sure there are plenty of families right now who'd be happy to visit their child in the hospital/spend christmas in the hospital dealing with a knife wound than the alternative those families are facing today. Sometimes, it's incredibly difficult to find the cause or stop the cause of violent acts, so eliminatin the tools used to carry them out is the next best option.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

QT andalusian

I said it before, and I will say it again, a percentage improvement in damage control is well worth the cost - even if it does not eliminate the problem completely. Understanding the human psyche is complicated. Improving control over dangerous tools is much easier - and even if it does not eradicate violence completely - it is still well worth pursuing.

man I understand your reasoning but to focus all the attention on one factor is the finger in the dyke

Mental illness does not need a specific item to kill
I have seen a church burned, houses burned, people run over others, and beaten to death..no guns there...

 

[donkiez]

QT andalusian

I said it before, and I will say it again, a percentage improvement in damage control is well worth the cost - even if it does not eliminate the problem completely. Understanding the human psyche is complicated. Improving control over dangerous tools is much easier - and even if it does not eradicate violence completely - it is still well worth pursuing.

man I understand your reasoning but to focus all the attention on one factor is the finger in the dyke

Mental illness does not need a specific item to kill
I have seen a church burned, houses burned, people run over others, and beaten to death..no guns there...

Very true but there is no reason to make things easier for them either. Its like keeping your kitchen knifes on the playroom floor of your todler and saying "those are only for grown ups"

 

[3RA1N1AC]

how exactly are we going to eliminate guns? aside from a massively overpriced buyback program, i just dont see people forking over there hard earned property

 

[DaLincolnJones]

how exactly are we going to eliminate guns? aside from a massively overpriced buyback program, i just dont see people forking over there hard earned property

or an amendment..

 

[3RA1N1AC]

or an amendment..

our bill of rights has been shit on by the patriot act and ndaa already, which is a bigger travesty imo

"they who can give up liberty to obtain safety deserve neither."

ben franklin

 

[Masbee]

Very true but there is no reason to make things easier for them either. Its like keeping your kitchen knifes on the playroom floor of your todler and saying "those are only for grown ups"

wrong quote

 

[Masbee]

I am sorry, but "need to understand the cause" is irresponsible. What happens if it takes 100 more incidents of "understanding the cause" to get to it? What if it is 200, 1000?

I said it before, and I will say it again, a percentage improvement in damage control is well worth the cost - even if it does not eliminate the problem completely. Understanding the human psyche is complicated. Improving control over dangerous tools is much easier - and even if it does not eradicate violence completely - it is still well worth pursuing.

Well since your wish is as practical as saying, "there should be peace on earth for all of mankind", I really don't get your point.

There are hundreds of millions of guns in the U.S.

There is ZERO chance a constitutional amendment would pass in any of our lifetimes.

Tight regulations, very finely written and compentently enforce MAY reduce overall risks at the margins, but the cost would be significant - billions of dollars per year. Not to put a price on it, but how much is each life "saved" worth?

Unless you have some brilliant, but super secret plan that far, far greater minds have failed to devise in generations to solve this problem of people wanting to kill multiple "innocents", you are just pissing in the wind.

Specifically, exactly, what is your proposal?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

we could buy back everyones guns at 2000 apiece...it would only cost 600 billion!

and all the antique guns could be sold to museums, like in demolition man, as long as a simon phoenix doesnt come along

be well john spartan

 

[3RA1N1AC]

the post so nice he had to say it twice

 

[Masbee]

For those who are interested in more on the drugs aspect of these Rampage murderers, which I think is a very undereported side to these stories:

Guns don't kill people, people on drugs with guns kill people.

In Portland, Ore., Jay Johnston followed his doctor's orders and took the prescribed antidepressants Zoloft and Prozac. He then attempted suicide with a shotgun, permanently disfiguring himself.

In the same month as the Wyoming jury's decision, Johnston sued his doctor for not properly monitoring him. The jury found the doctor guilty of criminal negligence and awarded Johnston $5 million, reports Dr. Ann Blake Tracy in Prozac: Panacea or Pandora. Similarly, who could forget Eric Harris, who -- along with Dylan Klebold -- killed 11 people and then himself in the Columbine school shooting? At the time of the shooting, Harris was being treated with the prescription antidepressant Luvox.​

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http://www.naturalnews.com/019342.html​

The use of antidepressant and psychiatric drugs, particularly among children, is an extremely risky activity that could have fatal consequences for both the individuals that use them, as well as their friends and family. According to the ​

National Post, a Canadian judge recently ruled that the extreme mind-altering effects of the antidepressant drug Prozac were in large part responsible for causing a 15-year-old boy to thrust a nine-inch kitchen knife into one of his closest friends.​

http://www.naturalnews.com/034433_SSRI_drugs_children_murder.html​

 

[DaLincolnJones]

our bill of rights has been shit on by the patriot act and ndaa already, which is a bigger travesty imo

"they who can give up liberty to obtain safety deserve neither."

ben franklin

A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference.
Thomas Jefferson


When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty.
Thomas Jefferson



Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.
Thomas Jefferson

hey lots of cool quote available..

 

[3RA1N1AC]

For those who are interested in more on the drugs aspect of these Rampage murderers, which I think is a very undereported side to these stories:

"Guns don't kill people, people on drugs with guns kill people."




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http://www.naturalnews.com/034433_SSRI_drugs_children_murder.html​

no, im pretty sure we should pump our kids full of caffeine and sugar, then give them ritalin because they are too hyper, then give them zoloft because they have mood swings

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

The thing is, we could add stricter gun control laws. Make it harder to get certain types of guns, or take longer to get a gun, but that's not going to stop these shootings. In both cases, the Clackamas and the Newtown shootings, the gunmen took the guns from other people. They did not acquire the guns themselves. What's going to stop that from happening after stricter laws are put in place?

Maybe and maybe not. But ban assault weapons. Hold people to owning 1 gun only. Have mandatory classes yearly regarding safe use and storage... in order to maintain your gun license (another add on) and just maybe some of this doesn't happen.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

i see nowhere in that article that the gunman saw hero guy, or that he made him leave

did i miss something?