Will the 49ers win a Super Bowl this century?

[PapaG]

I think SF had the second best team in the league this year. The NFC championship was a war.

Seattle is a different team with the threat of Harvin in the return game and on offense. I said it after the NFC title game. Without Harvin, the Seahawks don't have a gamebreaking threat on offense. The 49ers got lucky in that they didn't have to play Harvin this year.

 

[PapaG]

Well, I was reading that Sherman said the Seattle defense knew all of Manning's signals, and they said that they basically bet it all on knowing what Denver was going to run. He said that if Manning had changed it up, they would have been exposed. I thought that was interesting. Not sure how the Niners defense would have approached the game.

The Seahawks ran a route-jumping scheme in the secondary. Basically, for example, Kam Chancellor would recognize the crossing route, peel off his zone responsibility further down the field (while Earl Thomas then picked up that receiver), and Chancellor (or whoever peeled off the downfield receiver) would be there to stop any YAC. You have to have a very intelligent secondary to run this scheme, though, because if the nickelback or one of the safeties doesn't read the peel, then Denver would have a wide open receiver running down the field. Having two corners like Maxwell and Sherman who play man on the outside helps a lot.

The pass rush made it possible for this peel, too. It was a masterpiece in a 'bend but don't break' defense. Early in the game when Chancellor blew up Thomas on a crossing route, it was over for Denver. YAC is how Denver moves the ball, and Quinn's scheme made that all but impossible.

Also, LOL at the 49er fan who says the 49ers were a better team than Seattle. That's just the whining of the fans of a losing team.

 

[PapaG]

Earl might be easier b/c he's been making top 15 pick money. Tate's probably gone, but I've heard Baldwin's probably staying, especially if Rice is cut.

I had a blast watching the game in Seattle with a bunch of life-long Seahawk fans, my brother included. I was thrilled for them after the game, and Wednesday is going to be insane on 4th Ave. My brother and nephew are ditching work and school that afternoon to go to the parade. Listening to Brock, Danny, and Groz while driving home today was fun, too. As a Raider fan, it's been 29 years since I got to celebrate a SB as a fan, and I was in HS then. I told my 8 year-old nephew who bleeds Seahawk blue that he'll never, ever forget where he was, and how much fun it was, when the Seahawks finally won a Super Bowl.

 

[Natebishop3]

The Seahawks ran a route-jumping scheme in the secondary. Basically, for example, KamChancellor would recognize the crossing route, peel off his man further down the field (while Earl Thomas then picked up that receiver), and Chancellor (or whoever peeled of the downfield receiver) would be there to stop any YAC. You have to have a very intelligent secondary to run this scheme, though, because if even on of the nickelback or safeties doesn't read the peel, then Denver would have a wide open receiver running down the field.

The pass rush made it possible for this peel, too. It was a masterpiece in a 'bend but don't break' defense. Early in the game when Chancellor blew up Thomas on a crossing route, it was over for Denver. YAC is how Denver moves the ball, and Quinn's scheme made that all but impossible.

Also, LOL at the 49er fan who says the 49ers were a better team than Seattle. That's just the whining of the fans of a losing team.

Honestly I think the two teams are extremely comparable. They're just better in different areas. Seattle has the much better secondary. SF has the much better LB corps. I think Gore is pretty much done and that was a huge difference in the game. Lynch is arguably the best RB in the game.

 

[Natebishop3]

Nic could be one of the best players in the game if he really wanted to. I think he has the talent, he just doesn't have the mindset.

 

[Natebishop3]

It still seems like Dame is unsure of his three point shot.

 

[Natebishop3]

LA is not boxing out Gortat.

 

[PapaG]

Well, I was reading that Sherman said the Seattle defense knew all of Manning's signals, and they said that they basically bet it all on knowing what Denver was going to run. He said that if Manning had changed it up, they would have been exposed. I thought that was interesting. Not sure how the Niners defense would have approached the game.

So, I see where Sherman said after the game started, they broke his audible. Nowhere did I read that they "bet it all" and would have been exposed. I was in Seattle for much of today, and Dan Quinn's gameplan was to have the safeties peel off after they saw the routes. It's why teams watch film. You're making it seem like the Seahawks were basically guessing, which clearly was not the case.

 

[PapaG]

Nic could be one of the best players in the game if he really wanted to. I think he has the talent, he just doesn't have the mindset.

Now, if only Nic only moved to the NFL.

 

[PapaG]

Honestly I think the two teams are extremely comparable. They're just better in different areas. Seattle has the much better secondary. SF has the much better LB corps. I think Gore is pretty much done and that was a huge difference in the game. Lynch is arguably the best RB in the game.

They're both elite NFL teams. The NFC championship was a fun game to watch as a fan with no rooting interest.

What I find to be whining is when BlazingGiants says that he thinks the 49ers are better than the Seahawks. That's the butthurt whining of a fan of the losing team. Scoreboard is the obvious retort.

 

[RoyToy]

Also, LOL at the 49er fan who says the 49ers were a better team than Seattle. That's just the whining of the fans of a losing team.

As I said earlier, there's really nothing that suggests the 49ers are the better team. I don't think a case can even be made.

 

[Natebishop3]

So, I see where Sherman said after the game started, they broke his audible. Nowhere did I read that they "bet it all" and would have been exposed. I was in Seattle for much of today, and Dan Quinn's gameplan was to have the safeties peel off after they saw the routes. It's why teams watch film. You're making it seem like the Seahawks were basically guessing, which clearly was not the case.

Uh huh...

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/02/03/richard-sherman-super-bowl-48-seattle-seahawks/

“All we did was play situational football,” Sherman says. “We knew what route concepts they liked on different downs, so we jumped all the routes. Then we figured out the hand signals for a few of the route audibles in the first half.”

He demonstrates the signs Manning used for various routes, and says he and his teammates were calling out plays throughout the game and getting them right. “Me, Earl [Thomas], Kam [Chancellor]… we’re not just three All-Pro players. We’re three All-Pro minds,” Sherman says. “Now, if Peyton had thrown in some double moves, if he had gone out of character, we could’ve been exposed.”

 

[PapaG]

Uh huh...

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/02/03/richard-sherman-super-bowl-48-seattle-seahawks/

The pass rush made double-moves impossible. What's your point? That first 3 and out by Denver after it was 5-0 was before the audibles were figured out by Seattle.

 

[Natebishop3]

The pass rush made double-moves impossible. What's your point? That first 3 and out by Denver after it was 5-0 was before the audibles were figured out by Seattle.

My point? I was literally repeating what Sherman said because I thought it was interesting. I didn't have a point other than that it was an interesting bit of information from him.

What's your point?

 

[BrianFromWA]

I think that even without Bowman, SF's LB corps would've tagged the crossing routes close to as much as Chancellor and the Seahawk LB did.

Like I said earlier, SF's got a very good team, and if Kaepernick could throw fade routes, would probably have 2 rings in the last two years.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Im proud of the 49ers season regardless of all the salt Seattle fans seem obligated to rub in my wounds, Seattle had a charmed year, and Seattle fans should soak it in and bask in that glorious feeling.

2 weeks ago was one of the best games ever played imo, anyone who doesn't appreciate that is not a football fan at all

Congrats to Seattle and to Paul Allen, and congrats to the Seattle fans, enjoy

 

[Natebishop3]

Im proud of the 49ers season regardless of all the salt Seattle fans seem obligated to rub in my wounds, Seattle had a charmed year, and Seattle fans should soak it in and bask in that glorious feeling.

2 weeks ago was one of the best games ever played imo, anyone who doesn't appreciate that is not a football fan at all

Congrats to Seattle and to Paul Allen, and congrats to the Seattle fans, enjoy

Repped for actually being a classy dude..... most of the time

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Im proud of the 49ers season regardless of all the salt Seattle fans seem obligated to rub in my wounds, Seattle had a charmed year, and Seattle fans should soak it in and bask in that glorious feeling.

2 weeks ago was one of the best games ever played imo, anyone who doesn't appreciate that is not a football fan at all

Congrats to Seattle and to Paul Allen, and congrats to the Seattle fans, enjoy

Both teams played hard!

The Broncos did not.

 

[PapaG]

Im proud of the 49ers season regardless of all the salt Seattle fans seem obligated to rub in my wounds, Seattle had a charmed year, and Seattle fans should soak it in and bask in that glorious feeling.

2 weeks ago was one of the best games ever played imo, anyone who doesn't appreciate that is not a football fan at all

Congrats to Seattle and to Paul Allen, and congrats to the Seattle fans, enjoy

Trading a first-round pick and spending $10m on Harvin, and losing Sidney Rice for the season, makes Seattle charmed? I'm amazed they made the Super Bowl, looking at their 'talent' on offense without Rice and Harvin for almost the entire season.

 

[Natebishop3]

Trading a first-round pick and spending $10m on Harvin, and losing Sidney Rice for the season, makes the team charmed?

I like to argue about everything all the time! Rawr!

 

[PapaG]

I like to argue about everything all the time! Rawr!

What a bullshit post, Natebishop3.

Personal attack, but I expect no more from you.

 

[Natebishop3]

What a bullshit post, Natebishop3.

Personal attack, but I expect no more from you.

Wait, I can't say that I like to argue about everything all the time? What's your deal PapaG? You need to take some deep breaths bro.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

What a bullshit post, Natebishop3.

Personal attack, but I expect no more from you.

Neutral independent observer here,

that was more of a snarky comment than a personal insult.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Wait, I can't say that I like to argue about everything all the time? What's your deal PapaG? You need to take some deep breaths bro.

That is baiting.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Trading a first-round pick and spending $10m on Harvin, and losing Sidney Rice for the season, makes Seattle charmed? I'm amazed they made the Super Bowl, looking at their 'talent' on offense without Rice and Harvin for almost the entire season.

Youre amazed that they made the Superbowl? They were underdogs in maybe one game all year...

Curious.

 

[Natebishop3]

That is baiting.

Being a mod has gone to your head Sly. Calm down.

 

[RoyToy]

Trading a first-round pick and spending $10m on Harvin, and losing Sidney Rice for the season, makes Seattle charmed? I'm amazed they made the Super Bowl, looking at their 'talent' on offense without Rice and Harvin for almost the entire season.

Without their two best receivers most of the year
Offensive live was banged up all year. Starting tackles missed like 8 games or something. 2-3 games where 3 o-line starters were missing.
Banged up in the secondary as well. Browner and Thurmond missed a lot of time.

But when you continue to draft well and create depth, you can overcome injuries.

That's why Seattle was the best team in football all season.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Being a mod has gone to your head Sly. Calm down.

I'm drunk on the power of being a forum security guard.

 

[PapaG]

Neutral independent observer here,

that was more of a snarky comment than a personal insult.

It added nothing to the conversation, and that post didn't even address NB3. I think Seattle losing Harvin and Rice for pretty much the entire season means they weren't "charmed," but whatever. We all know that he must be protected at all times by the rest of you. The lack of self-awareness is what makes this fun at times.

 

[PapaG]

It was a textbook example of baiting/trolling. Whatever.