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Stupid article IMO.

Portland needs to upgrade their SF and PG possitions.

What they need are players who have had success in the playoffs to help our young team get their. Age really shouldn't be an issue because the Blazers have ultra young players at both of those possitions, who could take over once the veterans retired or lost the job to either Bayless or Batum.
 
Good article, but I did find it funny that he referred to the Bobcats as the "Hornets" at one point in possible trades.
 
CTC...I loved that guy in your avatar. Wasn't he suing for like 800M or something? Someone has to let me know someday what kind of lawyer takes that case.

"Uh, excuse me, I need a lawyer. People think I'm MJ, so I want his money."

For the trades...no idea on dates.
Best player available, and probably a shock to us that we got someone that good for (seemingly) what little we gave up.
Wailing and gnashing of teeth b/c one of the polarizing favorites will be gone (Travis, Webs, Sergio, Bayless)
 
At the same time, I see why no trades have gone down. Most of those scenarios Portland has to give up too much.
 
I have a feeling we won't be making any trades this year. There is always a possiblity KP gets a offer of a player that is better then he thinks he could get next summer as a FA or trade. I think most of the players that will be offered have bad large contracts or are not any better then what we already have or such as slight upgrade it isn't worry giving up our future cap space.
 
I'm still a proponent of trying to get Wallace, since I think he's the kind of hustle guy and defender who would best compliment our other starters, with the only red flag being the his history of injuries and missed games. I'm less interested in Butler and Gay since both need lots of touches on offense to be effective and neither are outstanding defenders, plus the asking price for either would likely be very high.

Right now, if I had to guess, I'd set the chance for a trade at about 10%; KP just hasn't shown himself to be an aggressive mid-season trader (yet).
 
I'm starting to think there won't be any significant move during the season, and this offseason will be more or less shoring up some of our little holes instead of making any big acquisitions. I can see no moves being made at the deadline, letting Raef/Ike/Frye expire and walk, trading Travis+picks to move around in the draft, and signing/S&T with picks a solid backup PF like Millsap. Top the roster off with bringing some guys like Koponen/Freeland over and stashing a few more euro's overseas and I'd be pretty happy going into next year. No really big moves, but as well as this team has started I'm not so sure we need any big moves to put us right in the thick of things at the top of the NBA going into next year.
 
We will make a trade IMO. If we don't, then Raef's contract is a waste of space.
 
Diana Prince said:
Stupid article IMO.

Portland needs to upgrade their SF and PG possitions.

What they need are players who have had success in the playoffs to help our young team get their. Age really shouldn't be an issue because the Blazers have ultra young players at both of those possitions, who could take over once the veterans retired or lost the job to either Bayless or Batum.
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It's a good article... and it talks about acquring a SF (which is leading me to believe you didn't read the article)... If age isn't an issue, why not try to land Rudy Gay and Mike Conley?
 
CutTheCheck said:
It's a good article... and it talks about acquring a SF (which is leading me to believe you didn't read the article)... If age isn't an issue, why not try to land Rudy Gay and Mike Conley?
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Because Portland needs players who have been there before. We have talent, but what we lack are players who can help lead our talent once we get into the playoffs.

I read the article, and saw it only mentioned SF, It also only mentioned that we needed yet another young SF.
 
We need to make a 2 for 1 or a 3 for 1 trade.

Championship-caliber teams do not have 11 man rotations. That said, I cant see it happening until the summer because 1) We have great chemistry this year, and 2) great teams rarely trade mid-season.

Good news: We will get something very good back.

I expect to see Outlaw, Bayless or Sergio, and /or Channing go, along with Raef's contract.
 
If it goes until the offseason, i wouldn't count on Bayless being moved... and if we wait until the offseason, I see it more realistic for us to sign a SF.
 
Why the hell do we need a SF? That's our most productive position. We could use more production from PF...maybe try Shavlik with the second unit.

Anyone we bring in will have to defer to Brandon and that may be a problem with veterans in this league.
 
CutTheCheck said:
We will make a trade IMO. If we don't, then Raef's contract is a waste of space.
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If Portland doesn't make a trade then his dollars come off of Portland's cap in the 2009 offseason. Combined with renouncing the rights to Frye and others, KP could have more then a max contract worth of capspace to play with. Most here have focused on Free Agency, but they could also make a deal where they take back far more in contracts then they send out. IMO thats at least as likely as scenario as making a mid-season move.

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
If Portland doesn't make a trade then his dollars come off of Portland's cap in the 2009 offseason. Combined with renouncing the rights to Frye and others, KP could have more then a max contract worth of capspace to play with. Most here have focused on Free Agency, but they could also make a deal where they take back far more in contracts then they send out. IMO thats at least as likely as scenario as making a mid-season move.
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I think I tend to agree, STOMP.

While I don't think we should avoid making a mid-season deal, I think that unless a sweetheart one becomes available, the Blazers will keep what they've got and see what kind of noise they can make in the postseason.

If the team is a top 6 seed or so, making a big trade could derail them, while staying as they are would not be heavily criticized even if they went out in the first round.

Ed O.
 
STOMP said:
If Portland doesn't make a trade then his dollars come off of Portland's cap in the 2009 offseason. Combined with renouncing the rights to Frye and others, KP could have more then a max contract worth of capspace to play with. Most here have focused on Free Agency, but they could also make a deal where they take back far more in contracts then they send out. IMO thats at least as likely as scenario as making a mid-season move.

STOMP
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I also agree that this is where we are headed.

In the recent past, I was a big proponent of a consolidation trade being done prior to summer 2009.

I didn't really trust free agency to produce an impact player at anything short of an insane contract that could hurt us later. I didn't trust that sitting on so much talent would allow our bench players to be showcased, pumping up their trade value to needed levels.

Events have changed the equations.

The team is winning and thus extra reluctant to make a mid-season move at this time, unless very lopsided.

We have been talking for a while about upgrading the 1 and/or the 3 spot. Yet, short of a prime star player, how will we upgrade the play at either position significantly? Look at the plus/minus numbers for our team by position and it shows the 1 and 3 spots are not weaknesses. The platoons we have been running have been holding their own. When you consider integration time and court chemistry, a trade - even a good one - could be a step back at first.

The need to "showcase" certain players has waned. Frye and Diogu are playing so poorly, showcasing crap play wouldn't help their trade value. With Frye's demotion, Outlaw will get extra minutes, and potentially increase his trade value. Bayless is being stashed - no need to showcase. Sergio is finally getting the showcase time he needs.

Coming into this season, the expiring assets were Raef, Webster, Frye, Diogu, and I would argue Sergio if he had been benched another season.

Webster got an extension, solving that.

Frye and Diogu have played their trade value down to zero.

Sergio whined and played his way into the rotation.

The only expiring asset we have is Raef's insured deal.

If at the trade deadline a team offers a crazy deal to KP for that $ savings - great. If that doesn't happen, I agree with Stomp that he will clear cap room and attempt to make a lopsided deal with the cap space. If he has some room leftover, he can nab a free agent backup Power Forward to replaced the waived Frye/Digou duo.
 
LameR said:
Good article, but I did find it funny that he referred to the Bobcats as the "Hornets" at one point in possible trades.
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I still do that occasionally. I still associate the Hornets with Charlotte for some reason. Can't get through my head that they've been gone for a while now and a new team is there.
 
It is also possible PA may be dishing out 3-4 huge contracts in the next couple of years . . . and maybe the Blazers aren't looking to have a starting line up filled with high priced contracts.

I know it's PA and all . . . but the talk around the league is how much the economy will hurt revenue and I got to think you can put together a championship contending club with 3-5 huge contracts and a bunch of role players.
 
Foulzilla said:
I still do that occasionally. I still associate the Hornets with Charlotte for some reason. Can't get through my head that they've been gone for a while now and a new team is there.
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you're not the only one. Even worse, there've been times when I've called the Grizzlies Vancouver. And I still refer to the "Thunder" as the Sonics, but that's on purpose.
 
Masbee said:
The team is winning and thus extra reluctant to make a mid-season move at this time, unless very lopsided...
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yup. I know this isn't what the trade proposal gossip hounds want to read, but someone is going to really have to make a good offer to get KP to budge midseason. If so, it will probably be for Raef + a young prospect or two for someone making a boatload and we probably won't see it coming.

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
yup. I know this isn't what the trade proposal gossip hounds want to read, but someone is going to really have to make a good offer to get KP to budge midseason. If so, it will probably be for Raef + a young prospect or two for someone making a boatload and we probably won't see it coming.

STOMP
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Or I wonder, since Raef is paid via insurance, if KP makes a deal for another big expiring contract and a draft pick . . . you know how KP loves those draft picks.
 
STOMP said:
If Portland doesn't make a trade then his dollars come off of Portland's cap in the 2009 offseason. Combined with renouncing the rights to Frye and others, KP could have more then a max contract worth of capspace to play with. Most here have focused on Free Agency, but they could also make a deal where they take back far more in contracts then they send out. IMO thats at least as likely as scenario as making a mid-season move.

STOMP
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I'm a proponent of this approach. There is no need to make a deal during this season.
 
wtabhed hakim warrick kill houston. does everything outlaw + frye dont . rebounds, hustles, plays defense, etc.

and he can score. outlaw is just the opposite. if hes not scoring, hes worthless. frye = same thing.

WE NEED A BANGER
 
it's_GO_time said:
Or I wonder, since Raef is paid via insurance, if KP makes a deal for another big expiring contract and a draft pick . . . you know how KP loves those draft picks.
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getting the quality return on a trade in the form of a future high pick is one way of alleviating some of the minutes crunch while keeping the shelves stocked into the future. It's not my preferred route but it's definitely an option worth considering

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
getting the quality return on a trade in the form of a future high pick is one way of alleviating some of the minutes crunch while keeping the shelves stocked into the future. It's not my preferred route but it's definitely an option worth considering

STOMP
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Especially with Hansbrough likely to be available in the late lottery. Better off waiting until Webster is fully recovered before even thinking about it though.
 
MIXUM said:
wtabhed hakim warrick kill houston. does everything outlaw + frye dont . rebounds, hustles, plays defense, etc.
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not only that, but Gay and Mayo have the worst +/- ratings on the Griz in their blow out of the Rockets tonight. Maybe their GM is a :ohno: like us silly posters and wants to make a deal this very second... or maybe like most GMs he's a little more pragmatic?

Time will tell

STOMP
 
number 10 said:
Especially with Hansbrough likely to be available in the late lottery. Better off waiting until Webster is fully recovered before even thinking about it though.
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right, he'll need a few weeks of play to prove to the GMs of the league that he's not damaged goods :wink:

STOMP
 
it's_GO_time said:
Or I wonder, since Raef is paid via insurance, if KP makes a deal for another big expiring contract and a draft pick . . . you know how KP loves those draft picks.
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If Pritchard wants to get a draft pick from a team that just wants cash, it doesn't need to be that complicated. As Pritchard and Allen have shown, other teams are just as happy to accept checks as Rasheed Wallace.
 
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