Windhorst hints about Myles Turner

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[illmatic99]

We've been talking about this for a while here: http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/the-2022-trade-idea-thread-now-with-more-urgency.372194/page-23

 

[SheedSoNasty]

I’d be down!

 

[Strenuus]

We've been talking about this for a while here: http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/the-2022-trade-idea-thread-now-with-more-urgency.372194/page-23

Awesome! Now it has its own thread so it doesn't get stuck on page 23.

It'll be okay.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Ugh. I like Turner and all. But this is a single. An Olsheyesque move. I'd be fine with it, but want more in the offseason.

 

[wizenheimer]

Turner's salary is 18M which is kind of an awkward number for Portland. I'd wonder if this is only a two team trade or if a 3rd is involved

 

[Scalma]

Windhorst is clueless. Believe who you wanna believe, but dont be surprised if/when nothing he says actually ends up happening. I remember him being one of the main voices behind Wilson Chandler and the Blazers couple years ago. Every year since then I listen to him less and less. A lot of hot air

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Nurk is better but Myles is a better fit if we're getting Ben Simmons.

 

[Scalma]

Nurk is better but Myles is a better fit if we're getting Ben Simmons.

That I can agree with, although Turner isn't that good of a shooter either. 33% from outside the last two years.

 

[blazedanugz]

Turner would be a GREAT fit. Guy who fits defensive scheme abd can stretch the floor.
Also think a change of scenery would be motivating for him……
Nurk is not better than turner. If anything they are in the same level if turner isnt better

 

[illmatic99]

The only reason to make a move for Turner is if you have a deal lined up for Nurk. I've put a few ideas together in the larger thread combining rumors.

 

[Scalma]

Turner would be a GREAT fit. Guy who fits defensive scheme abd can stretch the floor.
Also think a change of scenery would be motivating for him……
Nurk is not better than turner. If anything they are in the same level if turner isnt better

Only thing Turner does better is block shots. he's not a better overall defender (gets moved in post easily and Nurk is better playing the passing lanes and is a much better rebounder which is also part of defense) he's not a better playmaker, he's not a better screener, he doesn't get to the line as much, hes not better with his back to the basket. He's a better shooter, but still below average.

Only way I'm making this swap is if we have plans to get Simmons or if I'm 100% certain that Nurk isn't gonna re-sign. This dude is a step above a project, I challenge anyone to watch five consecutive Pacers games and come back with the same enthusiasm

 

[blazedanugz]

Only thing Turner does better is block shots. he's not a better overall defender (gets moved in post easily and Nurk is better playing the passing lanes and is a much better rebounder which is also part of defense) he's not a better playmaker, he's not a better screener, he doesn't get to the line as much, hes not better with his back to the basket. He's a better shooter, but still below average.

Only way I'm making this swap is if we have plans to get Simmons or if I'm 100% certain that Nurk isn't gonna re-sign. This dude is a step above a project, I challenge anyone to watch five consecutive Pacers games and come back with the same enthusiasm

Disagree.
Better 3 pt shooter by far on higher volume.
WAY better shot blocker and can switch into smaller players better than Nurk.
Gets moved in the post? So what? Who dumps down to their bigs on a consistent basis anymore?
May not be as good of a screener but a much better threat moving towards the basket on the role

 

[blazedanugz]

Disagree.
Better 3 pt shooter by far on higher volume.
WAY better shot blocker and can switch into smaller players better than Nurk.
Gets moved in the post? So what? Who dumps down to their bigs on a consistent basis anymore?
May not be as good of a screener but a much better threat moving towards the basket on the role

Abd let’s not act like Nurk is an effective scorer in the paint…I think we’re all done watching that

 

[Mr. Robot]

not saying thats the idea, but theres possibility they want turner and also want to keep nurk

maybe they dont want nurk anymore or they know or hear noise about nurk not wanting to stay there anymore

 

[Scalma]

Disagree.
Better 3 pt shooter by far on higher volume.
WAY better shot blocker and can switch into smaller players better than Nurk.
Gets moved in the post? So what? Who dumps down to their bigs on a consistent basis anymore?
May not be as good of a screener but a much better threat moving towards the basket on the role

teams aren't gonna change the way they defend us with Turner and his 33% rate standing out there, so his spacing is only good in theory.

Size is not just about posting up. Turner doesn't play up to his measurements. He is an absolute awful rebounder. Rebounding is probably the most valuable trait for a big IMO. Lose the rebounding battle, and you will probably lose the game.

So what if he can switch on the perimeter, he aint keeping any guard in todays NBA in front of him, neither is any other center. Nurk also averages twice as many steals, and most of them come away from the basket.

You can shit on Nurks post play all you want, he's still better than Turner around the rim. He's got no post game whatsoever. All his buckets around the rim come on putbacks. He's not getting any opposing big in foul trouble the way Nurk did against the Nets, for example.

 

[andalusian]

Turner is a better defender for Chauncy's defensive scheme. I would say that to maximize Nurk's defensive prowess - you need to go Stotts and not switch as aggressively as Chauncy wants.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

This would be absolutely amazing!
You know why?
Because we almost always end up with the second guy. So, it means we'll actually get Sabonis!!!!

 

[blazedanugz]

teams aren't gonna change the way they defend us with Turner and his 33% rate standing out there, so his spacing is only good in theory.

Size is not just about posting up. Turner doesn't play up to his measurements. He is an absolute awful rebounder. Rebounding is probably the most valuable trait for a big IMO. Lose the rebounding battle, and you will probably lose the game.

So what if he can switch on the perimeter, he aint keeping any guard in todays NBA in front of him, neither is any other center. Nurk also averages twice as many steals, and most of them come away from the basket.

You can shit on Nurks post play all you want, he's still better than Turner around the rim. He's got no post game whatsoever. All his buckets around the rim come on putbacks. He's not getting any opposing big in foul trouble the way Nurk did against the Nets, for example.

turner is a career 35% from 3…that’s pretty good from a center

 

[Scalma]

turner is a career 35% from 3…that’s pretty good from a center

33% this year so far. 33% last year. 34% the year before. Why would any team respect that? It'd be no different than if Aminu was out there and teams left him open constantly.

 

[GDiama]

Disagree.
Better 3 pt shooter by far on higher volume.
WAY better shot blocker and can switch into smaller players better than Nurk.
Gets moved in the post? So what? Who dumps down to their bigs on a consistent basis anymore?
May not be as good of a screener but a much better threat moving towards the basket on the role

Better DBPM, better TS% and equal OBPM. In advanced stats Turner looks better. And re the rebounding yes he is worse, but not as much as numbers show since Sabonis gets a lot of them compared to lets say RoCo. He is also a worse playmaker but I don t care about my Center being a playmaker really if he can do what Turner does.
He is also two years younger and signed for next season as well.

 

[Chris Craig]

Probably something like

Nurkic, Roco, possibly a pick

For

Turner and Justin Holiday or Torrey Craig

 

[blazedanugz]

33% this year so far. 33% last year. 34% the year before. Why would any team respect that? It'd be no different than if Aminu was out there and teams left him open constantly.

I was not an aminu fan but if our athletic 7 foot center shoots 3s like aminu did for us….I’m all for that

 

[Chris Craig]

33% this year so far. 33% last year. 34% the year before. Why would any team respect that? It'd be no different than if Aminu was out there and teams left him open constantly.

Better than Nurk

 

[Labinot41]

no interest in Miles Turner

 

[Scalma]

Better than Nurk

 

[illmatic99]

Probably something like

Nurkic, Roco, possibly a pick

For

Turner and Justin Holiday or Torrey Craig

that is a horrible deal for us, both talent wise and fit wise

 

[wizenheimer]

Portland can't trade a pick right now unless it's a 2nd

 

[Chris Craig]

that is a horrible deal for us, both talent wise and fit wise

Not arguing that. Sounds like we are trying to trade Nurk and Roco there, that's just what fits salary wise.