Wired: We’re About to Lose Net Neutrality — And the Internet as We Know It

[Denny Crane]

They're not going to turn off access to S2. How about a realistic scenario?

They're not going to turn off Google because M$ pays them to.

If they do turn off Google or netflix or Amazon, then the economics change.

Heck, Google may come in and give you even better internet.
https://fiber.google.com/about/

If Netflix requires 6mbit connection and comcast only offers 4mbit connections, who should pay to upgrade comcast's infrastructure to support ten thousand homes' worth of netflix bandwidth capacity?

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2013/05/netflix-youtube-traffic/65210/

 

[barfo]

They're not going to turn off access to S2. How about a realistic scenario?

They're not going to turn off Google because M$ pays them to.

If they do turn off Google or netflix or Amazon, then the economics change.

Sure, they can't turn off Google, or Netflix, or Amazon. In fact some of those might even have the power one day to make the cable company pay for the content, just as the cable company has to pay for TV content.

But you don't have that sort of power. If they decide to tell you (yes, S2) that you have to pay some fee to have S2 be carried on Comcast internet, what are you going to do? Lay fiber cable to my house? Wait patiently for Comcast to be driven out of the market? Or pay the fee?

Heck, Google may come in and give you even better internet.

maybe someday.

If Netflix requires 6mbit connection and comcast only offers 4mbit connections, who should pay to upgrade comcast's infrastructure to support ten thousand homes' worth of netflix bandwidth capacity?

Not my concern. Don't care if they limit bandwidth for Netflix or other bandwidth hogs. There's a fundamental difference between restricting bandwidth and restricting access altogether. If someone pays for a fatter pipe though, so much the better.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Sure, they can't turn off Google, or Netflix, or Amazon. In fact some of those might even have the power one day to make the cable company pay for the content, just as the cable company has to pay for TV content.

But you don't have that sort of power. If they decide to tell you (yes, S2) that you have to pay some fee to have S2 be carried on Comcast internet, what are you going to do? Lay fiber cable to my house? Wait patiently for Comcast to be driven out of the market? Or pay the fee?



maybe someday.



Not my concern. Don't care if they limit bandwidth for Netflix or other bandwidth hogs. There's a fundamental difference between restricting bandwidth and restricting access altogether. If someone pays for a fatter pipe though, so much the better.

barfo

They're not going to restrict anyone's access to anything, especially S2. If they restrict access to S2, it'll be them restricting mass quantities of the internet, and then it won't be "internet" access they're providing anymore.

As far as the 4mbit/6mbit netflix issue, that IS the issue. Any neutrality type law would require the ISPs to spend the money to provide 6mbit at their own expense. Netflix gets a free ride on their network.

Like I said, how about you come up with a real world scenario? A realistic one.

 

[barfo]

They're not going to restrict anyone's access to anything, especially S2. If they restrict access to S2, it'll be them restricting mass quantities of the internet, and then it won't be "internet" access they're providing anymore.

As far as the 4mbit/6mbit netflix issue, that IS the issue. Any neutrality type law would require the ISPs to spend the money to provide 6mbit at their own expense. Netflix gets a free ride on their network.

Like I said, how about you come up with a real world scenario? A realistic one.

I don't know what's going to happen. But we have producers on one side, consumers on the other, and a middleman in between which is not easily replaced. You seem to believe the middleman will continue the existing practice of delivering all available content to the consumer for a flat fee in perpetuity. I suggest the middleman has a great deal of power in this situation and will find ways to extract more money, to the extent allowed by law and the limited competition they face. I think you might be sticking your head in the sand by asserting that

They're not going to restrict anyone's access to anything, especially S2

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't know what's going to happen. But we have producers on one side, consumers on the other, and a middleman in between which is not easily replaced. You seem to believe the middleman will continue the existing practice of delivering all available content to the consumer for a flat fee in perpetuity. I suggest the middleman has a great deal of power in this situation and will find ways to extract more money, to the extent allowed by law and the limited competition they face. I think you might be sticking your head in the sand by asserting that



barfo

One of two possibilities:

I think the ISPs are going to either raise their fees to cover the cost of building infrastructure that will take advantage of netflix' 1080p and soon 4K resolution offerings. It's not going to be cheap, either.

Or ISPs are going to charge netflix $x per subscriber (x is a fraction, likely) and we'll all pay netflix a tad more.

S2 is already paying for premium bandwidth. It's not being run out of my house on some cheap consumer or small business line.

 

[MARIS61]

[video=youtube;tlhSbJYxOnc]

 

[MARIS61]

[video=youtube;gv-G79DIY7k]

 

[jlprk]

Here's what net neutrality does. Currently each of the 5 carriers (94--yeah right, they're just local franchisees who hitch a ride on one of the 5 big carriers) bring you any website in existence unless the government censors it (DOD, North Korea, Cuba, Syria, etc.) Without net neutrality, the Big 5 will carry only websites they deem profitable or ideologically acceptable.

For example, if Blazers Edge has to pay Comcast to carry it, it might get exclusivity in the contract, so that Comcast stops carrying any other Blazer sites, like Sports 2, Trailblazers TV, etc. Then Denny can write posts to himself about what a good reform this is.

 

[Denny Crane]

Funny how Maris posts two videos that contradict one another.

jlprk needs to figure out how the IP in TCP/IP works. What peering is. And that there are more than 5 carriers.

 

[MARIS61]

Funny how Maris posts two videos that contradict one another.

jlprk needs to figure out how the IP in TCP/IP works. What peering is. And that there are more than 5 carriers.

I presented both sides because each side uses misinformation to the point it's confusing to most people.

IMO, both sides are heavy on control and censorship. We are shut off from so many sites around the world, and funneled to the most mundane propoganda it's nauseating.