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Natebishop3 said:
I think Dame is an amazing leader, but I also think maybe his ability to control the lockerroom might be a little overstated.

There was very clearly an issue with Roco. He had checked out on the team.

I just see a lot of comments about how Dame will change this guy or that guy. It came up with Simmons. It came up any time Randle was mentioned. I'm just not so sure. I think Dame is a great influence and a great leader, but Nurk has been pretty hot and cold. I'm just not sure how much Dame can impact these guys if they have a bad attitude already.
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Nurkic had a problem with Stotts, and the rumor was RoCo had a problem with Billups. I think it's quite a stretch to diminish a decade of leadership because of a coaching/player issue. Nurkic came into Portland with a rep of being a malcontent and Dame was able to modify that attitude in a couple of weeks
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think Dame is an amazing leader, but I also think maybe his ability to control the lockerroom might be a little overstated.

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I think it is fair to say it is overstated, but nonetheless, he is still better at it than most. The last time I can recall a major lockerroom problem was in 2011-12 with vets like Wallace, Crawford, and Felton. That was the year before Dame arrived.
 
B-Roy said:
He's also very clearly a center....
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You may be right. He was listed as a PF by basketball reference for his first five years but I started checking game logs for the only season he played much. And the games he played most minutes, Drummond was not playing and Wood was definitely the tallest guy. And when Drummond did play, Wood's minutes were down, sometimes just enough to play C when Drummond was out it seems.
 
wizenheimer said:
Nurkic had a problem with Stotts, and the rumor was RoCo had a problem with Billups. I think it's quite a stretch to diminish a decade of leadership because of a coaching/player issue. Nurkic came into Portland with a rep of being a malcontent and Dame was able to modify that attitude in a couple of weeks
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I'm not trying to diminish it. I'm just saying that if we're targeting guys who are a known issue in the lockerroom, we can't just dismiss it with "Dame will take care of it."
 
wizenheimer said:
ok, I see the direction you are headed. The one big question I have is are either or both of Randle and Woodcapable of stretch-4 defense; switching onto wings and doing a credible job? I haven't seen enough of either of them to know. Aminu & RoCo were, but both of the 'new' guys are much bigger

if I play that fantasy I'd really want to keep one of Little/Winslow for bench wing depth...even though both are injury magnets

how much would that team cost:

Damian Lillard $42,492,492
Josh Hart $12,960,000
Justise Winslow $4,097,561
Didi Louzada $1,876,222
Greg Brown III $1,563,518
Trendon Watford $1,563,518
Andrew Nicholson $2,844,429

Julius Randle $23,760,000
Jerami Grant $20,952,381
Christian Wood $14,317,459

about 126M for 9 players

that actually surprises me, assuming my math is right. That is only 4M over the projected salary cap; and 23-24M below the luxury tax threshold. Which means it's 29-30M below the apron. That's an important number because with that kind of margin the Blazers can consider using the full-MLE and even the BAE without any fear of the hard-cap. And they'd still have plenty of room for unbalanced trades

maybe this is the kind of flexibility Cronin was shooting for with his deadline moves? Couldn't be the case because we all know he's dumb as a rock

anyway, that an interesting team. I don't know who Portland would target with the full-MLE, but they are weak at wing.
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Agree we could keep one or the other of Winslow/Little and deal Keon instead. I'd also re-sign Ingles, so that's more wing depth. And yes, a good MLE signing would be important
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
You may be right. He was listed as a PF by basketball reference for his first five years but I started checking game logs for the only season he played much. And the games he played most minutes, Drummond was not playing and Wood was definitely the tallest guy. And when Drummond did play, Wood's minutes were down, sometimes just enough to play C when Drummond was out it seems.
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His numbers are poor when he plays at PF.
 
I don’t mind rolling with…

Dame
Ant
Grant
Murray
Nurk

If it doesn’t work we still have Ant/Murray to build around and can sell off Dame/Grant for picks. I think we need to make a selection at 7 to keep our options open at next years deadline. If we go all in on vets and it doesn’t work it’s 2-3 years of rebuilding.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'm not trying to diminish it. I'm just saying that if we're targeting guys who are a known issue in the lockerroom, we can't just dismiss it with "Dame will take care of it."
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Personally I'd dismiss it with "he's never been on a team that was ever expected to be good." A roster like that deal would create would have high expectations, and I think people tend to shape up a bit when there's more on the line. And if I'm wrong about that, then it's only a one-year gamble.
 
I never did a deep dive on Daniels like I did with Murray/Eason/Ivey/Davis/Sochan et al. Starting it now.

He's certainly smooth and has a decent handle. I like his defensive instincts too. But his offensive game is very limited at the moment because of his broken jumpshot. His rise in this draft seems similar to that Giddey from last year.
 
julius said:
They selectively edited out the question.

It originally said "who you think will be the best player in the NBA named Chet will be?"
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Damn, I thought it was awesome he said himself. Lol
 
Dame following Keegan - I hope there is something to this. We’ll definitely have to hop Indy and Detroit to land him though IMO.

Hopefully this Grant stuff will die down.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Just for the heck of it, looking at the stats again for Randle, Grant and Wood.
1. Three point shooting:
Randle: very inconsistent. last 4 years .344, .277, .411, .308
Grant Pretty consistent; averaged about .370 over last 4 years, although last two years down from first two.
Wood: last three years .386, .374, .390

2. Career efg%
Randle .503
Grant .512
Wood .581

3. career TRB%
Randle 16%
Grant 8.2%
Wood 16.9%

4. career ORtg DRtg
Randle 107 110
Grant 110 110
Wood 115 111

5. career OBPM DBPM
Randle 0.6 -0.3
Grant -0.6 0.1
Wood 2.2 -0.4

Just looking at stats, Wood's offensive stats far superior and defensive stats only a little bit worse.
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Contract:
Wood $13M
Grant $21M
Randle $23M + 3 more years.
 
Fez Forthright said:
Dame following Keegan - I hope there is something to this. We’ll definitely have to hop Indy and Detroit to land him though IMO.

Hopefully this Grant stuff will die down.
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i do too. i was kinda shocked to see Dame suddenly following him.

Murray is such a boring candidate but he also has historical advanced stats. my hesitation with him was always his high usage at Iowa (and how Luka Garza had similar ridiculous numbers the year prior), but Murray's game and strengths make so much sense for this team.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
If the Daniels hype train keeps chugging, I don't think that's true.
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I don't think he climbs to 4, 5 or 6 unfortunately.

My current mock if everyone retains their picks:

1. Smith
2. Holmgren
3. Banchero
4. Sharpe
5. Ivey
6. Murray
 
illmatic99 said:
I don't think he climbs to 4, 5 or 6 unfortunately.

My current mock if everyone retains their picks:

1. Smith
2. Holmgren
3. Banchero
4. Sharpe
5. Ivey
6. Murray
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And just to add that it might not be Keegan who drops but it could be Sharpe who falls out of the top 6.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
If we have enough assets to get Randle, Wood and Grant; shouldn't we just go after Siakam instead?
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Do they want to move him? Grant and Randle are both "on the outs" with their current teams (to varying degrees), so they could be available at a lower price point.
 
Natebishop3 said:
And just to add that it might not be Keegan who drops but it could be Sharpe who falls out of the top 6.
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I think Sharpe is dropping as of now.

Jabari
Chet
Paolo
Daniels
Keegan
Ivey

or

Jabari
Chet
Paolo
Keegan
Ivey
Daniels

Could also see Ivey dropping in favor of Sharpe.
Don’t see Detroit drafting Daniels (they already have Daniels clone in Cade Cunningham).
 
illmatic99 said:
i do too. i was kinda shocked to see Dame suddenly following him.

Murray is such a boring candidate but he also has historical advanced stats. my hesitation with him was always his high usage at Iowa (and how Luka Garza had similar ridiculous numbers the year prior), but Murray's game and strengths make so much sense for this team.
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Somebody recently called him the new Trey Lyles. I really hope not if he's a Blazer.
 
Portland getting 7 was the highest odds for any pick.
Portland using the pick (no brainer) means getting Keegan Murray.

Dyson Daniels is showing well and being in the top 6 would not surprise me. Shaedon Sharpe is the athletic guy with hops and wingspan ... always in demand ... and with plenty of mystery to make him the "highest upside" guy and "attractive." [Look really smart drafting him at 4-6 if he hits. Take the wingspan of Norm Powell, give it to Josh Hart and add to Hart's 38.5" max vert.][The other athletic SG/SF ... Mathurin (6'6 in shoes, who is athletic and shoots 3's and less inside ... but you can't teach uber athletic.)

Ivey won't fall to 7. The "tiers" will have him too high for that. The only other player at 7 for the Blazers (IMHO at this point) is Dyson Daniels. At 6'7.5" in shoes, he's that big guard, near-mythical-point-forward-distributor-who-plays-D (nice to have with smaller guards who can shoot) ... in other words, qualifying as a forward for purposes of being a Portland draft candidate.

Honorable Mention: Jeremy Sochan (if trading down) ... likes to play team ball with motor and length and switchable and ... but Portland is rumored to want another Jerami. And it should be required that if they trade down and take Sochan, they must also draft Nikola Jovic ... a favorite of mine.
 
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