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beast crnjo said:
Another poster was saying Edey's inside scoring ability was mostly a product of how much taller he is than other players. Which is total nonsense. A lot of players as tall or taller than Edey weren't able to do what he did.
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c'mon now...

Edey was 7'3.75 without shoes with a 9'7 standing reach. How many NCAA players have even been 7'1 w/o shoes?

He absolutely towered over almost all opposition. of course that's going to convey a big advantage, especially facing teams that don't play team defense like NBA teams do. I'd estimate that's the main reason he had such a high FT rate, which in turn jacked up his TS%. I think some of that was an artifact of his competition. He's not going to have an 80% FT Rate in the NBA

speaking of artifacts, Edey's huge rebound numbers were really pumped up by his offensive rebounding rate. A career mark of 19% won't carry over into the NBA. He might be good, but not that good. More than that though is his defensive rebounding rate didn't match his offensive rebounding rate. His 25.4% rate this season would have ranked 16th last season, and 18th this season. Jabari Walker had a 25.0% rate and he was competing against NBA players
 
Boomchakalaka2 said:
I’d package up our seconds and add sweetener to move up if Edey slips late into the first round. Ayton, Edey and Reath sounds good to me.
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Yeah, Edey is a really nice late first round pick and I think he is a good piece to have coming off the bench. Then the coach with Edey gets to dictate when another team has to deal with match up problems.

I saw a mock with him going to Miami and 15 and didn't think that was too crazy just because of the Heat roster... specifically Bam.
 
wizenheimer said:
c'mon now...

Edey was 7'3.75 without shoes with a 9'7 standing reach. How many NCAA players have even been 7'1 w/o shoes?

He absolutely towered over almost all opposition. of course that's going to convey a big advantage, especially facing teams that don't play team defense like NBA teams do. I'd estimate that's the main reason he had such a high FT rate, which in turn jacked up his TS%. I think some of that was an artifact of his competition. He's not going to have an 80% FT Rate in the NBA

speaking of artifacts, Edey's huge rebound numbers were really pumped up by his offensive rebounding rate. A career mark of 19% won't carry over into the NBA. He might be good, but not that good. More than that though is his defensive rebounding rate didn't match his offensive rebounding rate. His 25.4% rate this season would have ranked 16th last season, and 18th this season. Jabari Walker had a 25.0% rate and he was competing against NBA players
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Donovan Clingan is one, and a center who is thought to be the best defensive center in the NCAA, and Edey dominated him. Players probably foul him trying to contend with his size. He's going to tower over NBA centers as well.

Teams used to get players that could guard the post, but that is so seldom used anymore, modern NBA centers will be less equipped to deal with Edey.
 
MickZagger said:
So many NBA players were absolutely dominate in college and it doesn’t translate to the NBA. Just look up the last 30 or so college player of the year award winners.

Then tell me how many of them had fruitful NBA careers.
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Actually thats a great idea - lets look at the Seniors that have won the award this century;

Shane Battier
Nick Collison
David West
Jameer Nelson
JJ Redick
Jimmer Fredette
Draymond Green
Doug McDermott
Frank Kaminsky
Buddy Hield
Denzel Valentine
Frank Mason III
Luka Garza (2)
Zach Edey (2)

Juniors aren't much better;

Drew Gooden
Jay Williams (2)
Emeka Okafor
Dee Brown
Adam Morrison
Tyler Hansbrough
Evan Turner
Victor Oladipo
Jalen Brunson
Luka Garza
Oscar Tshiebwe
Zach Edey
 
beast crnjo said:
Donovan Clingan is one, and a center who is thought to be the best defensive center in the NCAA, and Edey dominated him. Players probably foul him trying to contend with his size. He's going to tower over NBA centers as well.

Teams used to get players that could guard the post, but that is so seldom used anymore, modern NBA centers will be less equipped to deal with Edey.
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you might research the history of Nurkic vs Jokic; and Nurkic vs Embiid. There were games 5-6 years ago when Nurkic outplayed both. That didn't mean he was the better C

I know Edey is your guy but my guess is that you haven't convinced anybody but yourself that Portland should use the 7th pick on him
 
Freshman and Sophmores have translated great though - thats why age is a massive factor when looking at performance.

Kevin Durant
Anthony Davis
Zion Williamson

Jay Williams
T. J. Ford
Andrew Bogut
Blake Griffin
Trey Burke
Obi Toppin
 
beast crnjo said:
That goes without saying, the competition is much better in the NBA at every position. The same would be true if he were a 6'6 guard averaging 25ppg on 66 TS%. Another poster was saying Edey's inside scoring ability was mostly a product of how much taller he is than other players. Which is total nonsense. A lot of players as tall or taller than Edey weren't able to do what he did.
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This isn't true as there are so many more very good players at guard positions that can't make the NBA. There are so few 7' in the world almost 20% of them play professional basketball. So there is a much larger dropoff in talent at the center position. Thats why minor leagues like the Gleague are so guard dominant.
 
blazerkor said:
Yeah, Edey is a really nice late first round pick and I think he is a good piece to have coming off the bench. Then the coach with Edey gets to dictate when another team has to deal with match up problems.

I saw a mock with him going to Miami and 15 and didn't think that was too crazy just because of the Heat roster... specifically Bam.
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Heat play so many sophisticated defenses I can't see them entertaining the thought of trying to structure that around Edey.

In theory he probably makes sense on a lottery team because he would be schemed off the floor in the playoffs. So Portland does make sense in that regard - at least until we want to switch from tanking to winning.
 
wizenheimer said:
you might research the history of Nurkic vs Jokic; and Nurkic vs Embiid. There were games 5-6 years ago when Nurkic outplayed both. That didn't mean he was the better C

I know Edey is your guy but my guess is that you haven't convinced anybody but yourself that Portland should use the 7th pick on him
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Edey can only score in the post because he's so much bigger than his opponents.

Actually, he dominated a 7-2 center who is very big even by NBA standards.

Nurkic vs Jokic.....

I just don't think any of the arguments being made against Edey hold water. They are based on this hypothetical assumptions that aren't backed up by anything real.
 
MickZagger said:
So many NBA players were absolutely dominate in college and it doesn’t translate to the NBA. Just look up the last 30 or so college player of the year award winners.

Then tell me how many of them had fruitful NBA careers.
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You can do that research yourself and report back to us.
How many of them won 2 NPOY?

I know people can have dominant college careers and it doesn’t translate. I think you’ll be hard pressed to find someone that was as dominant as Edey with his size that was a complete flop.
 
beast crnjo said:
Donovan Clingan is one, and a center who is thought to be the best defensive center in the NCAA, and Edey dominated him. Players probably foul him trying to contend with his size. He's going to tower over NBA centers as well.

Teams used to get players that could guard the post, but that is so seldom used anymore, modern NBA centers will be less equipped to deal with Edey.
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That didn't work so well with Ha Seung-Jin 7'3" 305 lbs
 
Predator said:
You can do that research yourself and report back to us.
How many of them won 2 NPOY?

I know people can have dominant college careers and it doesn’t translate. I think you’ll be hard pressed to find someone that was as dominant as Edey with his size that was a complete flop.
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Why do you think he’s not consensus 1st pick? Or even a lock to be a lottery pick?

It’s because the game has changed.

The game is so much more spread out, it’s constant switches to get mismatches. If you’re a slow, archaic big man that can’t move laterally, or leave the paint, you just won’t be effective in the league today.

Jokic is an outlier, because he poses a threat in a myriad of ways. Not just a pound it down in the paint Center.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It’s crazy how many draft analysts say Clingan is the best player in the draft.
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if you stare at Sarr long enough he starts to look dicey. I get it.

same with everyone in this draft, pretty much.
 
At Fort Stevens…..sipping on some Knob Creek, decent down here.
I say we draft Williams at 7 and Holland at 14.

Wiz - who would you consider at 7 & 14?
 
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Predator said:
You can do that research yourself and report back to us.
How many of them won 2 NPOY?

I know people can have dominant college careers and it doesn’t translate. I think you’ll be hard pressed to find someone that was as dominant as Edey with his size that was a complete flop.
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Luka Garza and Zach Edey were the only guys to win NPOY Junior and Senior years this century. Both are centers, so yes thats a good comp for Edey.
 
Can’t go wrong with a nice bourbon! If holland is available at 7 he should be the swing! Hope that he can develop a consistent jumper, seems like the ignite program stifled player progression more than it helped in terms of young talents.
 
Kell said:
Can’t go wrong with a nice bourbon! If holland is available at 7 he should be the swing! Hope that he can develop a consistent jumper, seems like the ignite program stifled player progression more than it helped in terms of young talents.
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Yeah, street ball!
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Luka Garza and Zach Edey were the only guys to win NPOY Junior and Senior years this century. Both are centers, so yes thats a good comp for Edey.
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Not surprisingly, Edey's speed, strength and agility numbers were all better than Garza's, despite being 6 inches taller and 50 pounds heavier.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
I’d be shocked if we draft at 7 and 14.
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I don't want to hear it lol.

Whether it's cost saving or trading up for Clingan they're both stupid moves. Package the 2RP's with Brogdon or Thybulle or whatever, but don't move off of a lottery pick, unless of course we're trading up for Sarr or Risacher.
 
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Hoopguru said:
At Fort Stevens…..sipping on some Knob Creek, decent down here.
I say we draft Williams at 7 and Holland at 14.

Wiz - who would you consider at 7 & 14?
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I really don't know. I want the Blazers to draft wings though. Don't want Clingan at 7, that's for sure. But that's probably what will happen
 
MarinerDNA said:
One of the No Ceilings guys said this today, which surprised me - him being the one from that group that thinks Clingan is the best prospect this year.
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Seems many think this. If the Blazers feel that way, I don't mind them moving up. Go after your guy.
 
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