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Phatguysrule said:
Sharpe is the only name I remember from pre draft that year. I felt like we were going to take him if he were still there based solely on what I'd read in here.
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There were some Keegan Murray, Ben Mathurin, Dyson Daniels, Duren chatter with that pick
 
I just looked at close to 10 mock drafts from that year. The latest Sharpe went in any of them was 9. Half of them had Sharpe going to us. Some of them had Sharpe top 5 for prospects in that draft. Even in one where they had us take Daniels it said Sharpe could be the pick because of how much homework Portland had done on Sharpe.

I remember it not being a surprise. I wanted Mathurin or Banchero at the time but when both were picked before we picked I was all in on Sharpe.
 
inconceivable said:
There were some Keegan Murray, Ben Mathurin, Dyson Daniels, Duren chatter with that pick
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A bunch. Go read the thread.
Anyway. Doesn’t matter. We got Sharpe and certainly now most are happy with that pick. I know I am.
Great kid. Lots of upside.
Go Blazers! Let’s get another solid piece or two this year and next. By 2026-27 this team might be something special.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
I just looked at close to 10 mock drafts from that year. The latest Sharpe went in any of them was 9. Half of them had Sharpe going to us. Some of them had Sharpe top 5 for prospects in that draft. Even in one where they had us take Daniels it said Sharpe could be the pick because of how much homework Portland had done on Sharpe.

I remember it not being a surprise. I wanted Mathurin or Banchero at the time but when both were picked before we picked I was all in on Sharpe.
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SI had him at 11 going to the Knicks.
Draft ally had him at 14.
BR had him going to us. That is on June 23 2022.
 
kjironman1 said:
SI had him at 11 going to the Knicks.
Draft ally had him at 14.
BR had him going to us. That is on June 23 2022.
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Si also said

If Portland keeps the pick, this feels like a clean landing spot for Daniels, although it’s worth noting the Blazers have done a ton of homework on Shaedon Sharpe and are also thought to have interest in Jalen Duren.
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kjironman1 said:
I don’t know brother.
Sure is looking like most were talking about Daniel’s Duren Sochan.
Most mocks had Sharpe going to the Knicks at 11 as the best bet.
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Sharpe was heavily debated here and not at all a surprise pick. Our front office was rumored to be very high on him.
 
handiman said:
Sharpe was heavily debated here and not at all a surprise pick. Our front office was rumored to be very high on him.
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Interesting thought.
Let’s compare this draft?
What player hasn’t been “Heavily Debated Here”.
I’m just kidding.
I get your point.
 
kjironman1 said:
A bunch. Go read the thread.
Anyway. Doesn’t matter. We got Sharpe and certainly now most are happy with that pick. I know I am.
Great kid. Lots of upside.
Go Blazers! Let’s get another solid piece or two this year and next. By 2026-27 this team might be something special.
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Could you link the thread? I want to read but it but am having trouble using the search function.

I let out a "Hell Yeaaah!" when Sharpe was announced, by the way. My girlfriend, who doesn't care about sports, thinks I'm weird.
 
theprunetang said:
Could you link the thread? I want to read but it but am having trouble using the search function.

I let out a "Hell Yeaaah!" when Sharpe was announced, by the way. My girlfriend, who doesn't care about sports, thinks I'm weird.
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Type in draft thread 2022.
About four versions will pop up.
 
I knew Banchero and Smith were not going to be available. I was not high in Ivey with Dame in town. I wanted Murray, then Duren and then Sharpe. I expected Sac to take Murray unfortunately. Can’t say I was disappointed when Portland took Sharpe over Duren. I really liked both players and Portland had a need at both spots.
 
If a guard had weak interior defense, but averaged 25ppg on 66 TS%, and averaged 8 assists per game, people he'd probably the the #1 overall pick.

Yet Zach Edey brings that offensively, is a very good rebounder, good shot blocker, interior defender, but people are writing him off because he won't be good at guarding the perimeter. "The game has changed" they keep saying, but isn't the goal still to put the ball in the hoop? Wouldn't we let Shaq fall to the 2nd round under this logic?
 
After day 1 of the combine when Edey tore it up I said I had no problem with him at 14. For all the reasons you mentioned and more. In the title game he completely dominated Clingan who some say could go from 1-7. I take a forward at 7 and if the Blazers like Edey, absolutely take him at 14. He plays day one. Number 7 probably needs a couple years.
 
beast crnjo said:
If a guard had weak interior defense, but averaged 25ppg on 66 TS%, and averaged 8 assists per game, people he'd probably the the #1 overall pick.
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sure...but then perimeter shooting excellence plus great play-making ability coupled with dribble-drive skills almost always translate extremely well to the NBA. A guard averaging 25ppg with .660 TS% and 8 assists is some kind of super-hybrid of Stephen Curry + Haliburton. That's generational talent

Zach Edey is not generational talent. Unlike the the hypothetical guard, he's not the #1 pick for actual basketball reasons. He may not even be a lottery pick. That doesn't men he won't be a good NBA player. Mock drafts miss on players more often than real drafts do, and real drafts miss all the time. But it sure looks like NBA front offices are not valuing Edey nearly as high as you are. They may be valuing Clingan a lot higher than Edey; but that's because they are valuing the defense Clingan brings over the offense Edey brings. And on video, Clingan looks a lot more mobile than Edey, or at least a lot more reactive

beast crnjo said:
Yet Zach Edey brings that offensively, is a very good rebounder, good shot blocker, interior defender, but people are writing him off because he won't be good at guarding the perimeter.
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c'mon now...that's part of it but he's being rated lower for more reasons than just that, and I'm guessing you know that

beast crnjo said:
"The game has changed" they keep saying, but isn't the goal still to put the ball in the hoop? Wouldn't we let Shaq fall to the 2nd round under this logic?
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well, the reality is the game HAS changed; and it has changed dramatically over the last 20 years. Drop-coverage C's aren't exactly obsolete, but they have become an anachronism. It's too easy for opponents to game them off the floor. With a rare exception or two, those traditional C's have become situational part-timers logging 20-25 minutes a game, at best

now, about Shaq: I watched some games when Shaq played at LSU. Your notion he couldn't guard the perimeter is malarkey. He was extremely mobile in college. Of course he was at least 100 pounds lighter than when he dominated the NBA. And again, Shaq was pretty obviously a generational talent as a big man, entering the NBA when big men could dominate. Edey is not Shaq and 2024 is not 1992
 
wizenheimer said:
sure...but then perimeter shooting excellence plus great play-making ability coupled with dribble-drive skills almost always translate extremely well to the NBA. A guard averaging 25ppg with .660 TS% and 8 assists is some kind of super-hybrid of Stephen Curry + Haliburton. That's generational talent

Zach Edey is not generational talent. Unlike the the hypothetical guard, he's not the #1 pick for actual basketball reasons. He may not even be a lottery pick. That doesn't men he won't be a good NBA player. Mock drafts miss on players more often than real drafts do, and real drafts miss all the time. But it sure looks like NBA front offices are not valuing Edey nearly as high as you are. They may be valuing Clingan a lot higher than Edey; but that's because they are valuing the defense Clingan brings over the offense Edey brings. And on video, Clingan looks a lot more mobile than Edey, or at least a lot more reactive



c'mon now...that's part of it but he's being rated lower for more reasons than just that, and I'm guessing you know that



well, the reality is the game HAS changed; and it has changed dramatically over the last 20 years. Drop-coverage C's aren't exactly obsolete, but they have become an anachronism. It's too easy for opponents to game them off the floor. With a rare exception or two, those traditional C's have become situational part-timers logging 20-25 minutes a game, at best

now, about Shaq: I watched some games when Shaq played at LSU. Your notion he couldn't guard the perimeter is malarkey. He was extremely mobile in college. Of course he was at least 100 pounds lighter than when he dominated the NBA. And again, Shaq was pretty obviously a generational talent as a big man, entering the NBA when big men could dominate. Edey is not Shaq and 2024 is not 1992
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Why do you assume that the post play won't translate? Who is the last player to dominate in the post like Edey, in college or in the NBA? You don't think Edey, and his size will be able to get the same shots off in the NBA?

As for Shaq, I'm not talking about college Shaq, but 30 year old Shaq, when he was still a dominant big man. Shaq himself even dupped Zach Zacquille O'Neal.

So Zach might end up giving up open jumpers. Will opposing players hit 66% of those jumpers? What about his rebounding, his interior defense?

I remember when the prevailing theory was "you can't win small", then the Warriors come along and people think everyone has to play that way, then Jokic comes along and people remember big men can play etc. It's the same game, and the highest % shot is still at the rim.
 
Also, Clingan is supposedly more mobile than Edey, but I can't tell that by watching their videos, nor was that reflect at any combine event.
 
beast crnjo said:
You don't think Edey, and his size will be able to get the same shots off in the NBA?
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no, I don't. He won't get the same shots; he won't get as many easy shots; and he sure as shit won't be facing a bunch of smaller C's, game after game, that would never make an NBA roster.
 
wizenheimer said:
no, I don't. He won't get the same shots; he won't get as many easy shots; and he sure as shit won't be facing a bunch of smaller C's, game after game, that would never make an NBA roster.
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I'm not a big Edey fan either, but he completely dominated the next biggest center in college basketball who will be a mid-high lottery pick.

37 points, 10 rebounds and 2 blocks on 60% FG shooting.

The 'defensive monster' Clingan got torched, turned inside out, chewed up and spit out and while he was taking a beating, only managed 11 points, 5 rebounds and a measly 1 block.

Of course the NBA will be more difficult, but he won't face many centers with the height, size and wingspan of Clingan and he showed in convincing fashion what he could do against him and a team with much more talent than Purdue had. Put a few more talented pieces around him, and he might have some success. UConn will have possible 4 players taken in the upcoming Draft. Purdue will have only 1. Edey did as much with his opportunity as he could and against very good competition.

I don't think his style fits for long stretches, but I'm not sure how many bigs are shutting him down either.

Wemby - he's hot him by 80 lbs
Jokic - no vertical either
Gobert - outweighs him by 50 lbs but his length might bother him although Edey is one of the few with more wingspan
Embiid - Joel has the size and length to bother him
Davis - great defensively but that much size could cause an already fragile AD to get hurt
Sabonis - not a chance
Bam - great athletic ability, but he's 6'10 at best and not near the size
Holmgren - Chet better pray he doesn't get broken in half

Of course there are matchup issues as Edey wouldn't be able to defend most of those either, which is why he will have difficulty staying on the court. But with a good coach, I don't see many being able to deter him very much without some help.
 
wizenheimer said:
no, I don't. He won't get the same shots; he won't get as many easy shots; and he sure as shit won't be facing a bunch of smaller C's, game after game, that would never make an NBA roster.
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If this declaration held up, then literally every center in the NBA should have put up Edey like numbers where they played before the NBA, because most of them also played a bunch of smaller centers. Right?

Why didn't they? And, if that's not a crucial omission to your point, why is it only being held against Edey but wasn't held against, say, Holmgren, who was a high-major player competing in a mid-major conference?
 
LOL...ok then.

you guys arguing in favor of Edey should be advocating for Edey at #7 then.
 
BTW, Edey and Holmgren played against each other in 2021 in the FIBA U19 Worlds.

Holmgren didn't guard Edey much, but they were on the floor together most of the time. The U.S. beat Canada, 92-86, but here were their individual stats:

Chet: 23 minutes, 12 pts, 5-7 FG, 8 reb, 6 blocks, -11.

Edey: 26 minutes, 16 pts, 7-14 FG, 16 reb, 3 blocks, +3.
 
TBpup said:
I'm not a big Edey fan either, but he completely dominated the next biggest center in college basketball who will be a mid-high lottery pick.

37 points, 10 rebounds and 2 blocks on 60% FG shooting.

The 'defensive monster' Clingan got torched, turned inside out, chewed up and spit out and while he was taking a beating, only managed 11 points, 5 rebounds and a measly 1 block.

Of course the NBA will be more difficult, but he won't face many centers with the height, size and wingspan of Clingan and he showed in convincing fashion what he could do against him and a team with much more talent than Purdue had. Put a few more talented pieces around him, and he might have some success. UConn will have possible 4 players taken in the upcoming Draft. Purdue will have only 1. Edey did as much with his opportunity as he could and against very good competition.

I don't think his style fits for long stretches, but I'm not sure how many bigs are shutting him down either.

Wemby - he's hot him by 80 lbs
Jokic - no vertical either
Gobert - outweighs him by 50 lbs but his length might bother him although Edey is one of the few with more wingspan
Embiid - Joel has the size and length to bother him
Davis - great defensively but that much size could cause an already fragile AD to get hurt
Sabonis - not a chance
Bam - great athletic ability, but he's 6'10 at best and not near the size
Holmgren - Chet better pray he doesn't get broken in half

Of course there are matchup issues as Edey wouldn't be able to defend most of those either, which is why he will have difficulty staying on the court. But with a good coach, I don't see many being able to deter him very much without some help.
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I don’t particularly want either player

but 60% for Edey, while good, was his lowest efficiency in many games preceding that game

not to mention they played edey “straight up”.

Typically Edey shoots above 60% WHILE being doubled

Clingan undoubtedly made him work much harder in a 1:1 setting than Edey had to work in 2:1 settings

Also you’re not factoring in age …

once again, don’t really want either, and I’d probably take Edey @ 14 over Clingan @ 7 … both @ 14 is a toss up

but there is a whole lot of context missing
 
I should also add:

Edey might be one of the very few players where his offensive output coupled with rebounding and rim
Protection MAY be able to offset the matchup issues.
 
wizenheimer said:
LOL...ok then.

you guys arguing in favor of Edey should be advocating for Edey at #7 then.
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Who is arguing in favor and should be advocating for him at #7?

Predator said:
I don’t particularly want either player

but 60% for Edey, while good, was his lowest efficiency in many games preceding that game

not to mention they played edey “straight up”.

Typically Edey shoots above 60% WHILE being doubled

Clingan undoubtedly made him work much harder in a 1:1 setting than Edey had to work in 2:1 settings

Also you’re not factoring in age …

once again, don’t really want either, and I’d probably take Edey @ 14 over Clingan @ 7 … both @ 14 is a toss up

but there is a whole lot of context missing
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Sure, Clingan, the biggest, most highly rated center 'held' him to 37 points on 60% shooting. Okay....
And I'm not discounting age. He played who was put in front of him. Clingan was on the highest ranked program in the league with multiple Draft picks around him. It was what it was, nothing more, nothing less.
 
PCmor7 said:
Stop it with the false equivalencies, Wiz. No one's saying that. What everyone's saying is your casual dismissal of Edey doesn't have any reasonable basis.

Good grief.
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bullshit

my "casual dismissal" of Edey was only after a poster wondered why Edey wasn't getting the respect a guard would get who averaged 25 points and 8 assists while posting a .660 TS%. At the same time it was suggested if the same standard were somehow applied to Shaq, he'd be a 2nd round pick. My casual dismissal was a direct reply to pretty active hyperbole. Context matters you know

I don't believe I had said anything about Edey before that post

and I'm not the only one casually dismissing Edey as a lottery prospect. Just about every mock draft is as well.
 
The facts of the matter about Edey are that he’s a wonderful big man talent. But in todays NBA he just doesn’t check the boxes that you need with a modern center
 
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