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3RA1N1AC said:
I'm voting for Gary Johnson again, I voted for him in 2012.

He isn't perfect, but he is so much better than the other two it's not even close.

Trump would appeal to me if he didn't pander so hard to racists and bible thumpers, that's a real turn off.
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Exactly this.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
I'm voting for Gary Johnson again, I voted for him in 2012.

He isn't perfect, but he is so much better than the other two it's not even close.

Trump would appeal to me if he didn't pander so hard to racists and bible thumpers, that's a real turn off.
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I will say one "nice" thing about him. So far he's the only one of the major two party candidates who seems to express any moral clarity about the real threat ISIS and Jihadism/Islamism poses to liberal democracies. The trouble is he's like a doctor who looks at the patient and nails the pneumonia diagnosis and then loudly proclaims, "let's amputate!"
 
crandc said:
Fine. Have your belief, blue. Your privilege. Just don't force it on my body. Or any other woman's. You can try to tell a woman that one broken condom means she's ready to be a mother. You can tell the woman with two kids and a minimum wage job she can handle one more. You can tell a woman whose life saving medication causes featl abnormalities she can give up the meds. You can tell a woman who discovers at 5 months her much wanted child is missing most of the brain. You can tell them it's their duty as incubators. That's your right. Any woman wants to listen to you, she can. Just don't enforce it as law.

How much jail time should a woman get? In some countries it's 25 years. Is that enough?
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So it's the fault of people who don't agree with abortion that women are having sex when clearly they shouldn't if they don't want kids? I don't want to shoot myself in the head, so I won't play Russian Roulette. Don't even get me started on me paying for it through taxes.

All that being said, while I don't agree with it, it's not my right to tell a woman what to do with her body. However, I shouldn't be forced to pay for it.
 
Now. I'm voting Gary Johnson because as a whole, I agree with more of his policies than the others.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Now. I'm voting Gary Johnson because as a whole, I agree with more of his policies than the others.
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And that should be a pretty important consideration that doesn't seem to be much of the conversation so far.

It's not meaningless to say that Hillary is a liar or Trump is a con man or Johnson is a stoner... but those things aren't the only things we should be considering here.

barfo
 
barfo said:
And that should be a pretty important consideration that doesn't seem to be much of the conversation so far.

It's not meaningless to say that Hillary is a liar or Trump is a con man or Johnson is a stoner... but those things aren't the only things we should be considering here.

barfo
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Binders of women.

Not Benghazi.
 
That's what all the fine arguments come down to in the end. Slut, you should have kept your legs crossed. It's not about seriously thinking a fertilized egg is a baby. It's sex is a sin, for women, and women must be punished. It's about "little girl, if you play, you have to pay".

No one, of course, tells the man to abstain.
 
crandc said:
That's what all the fine arguments come down to in the end. Slut, you should have kept your legs crossed. It's not about seriously thinking a fertilized egg is a baby. It's sex is a sin, for women, and women must be punished. It's about "little girl, if you play, you have to pay".

No one, of course, tells the man to abstain.
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Are you serious here? It takes two to have sex. If the family unit, or the relationship of the people having sex, can't support a baby then they should not have sex. Abstain for BOTH parties. There should be no thoughts of

"Oh, its the mans fault I'm pregnant, and now I gotta kill the baby because we cant afford it and he couldn't keep is pants on."
"Oh, Oops! we got pregnant and I'm on crazy strong medicine that can cause birth defects so I gotta abort the baby, because we're both irresponsible."
"Oh, Oops! Broken condom... I'm pregnant! Now because we can't support a kid I should just go kill it instead.".

I mean the list goes on and it's just ludicrous that you think that type of behavior is okay. People (both men and women) need to take responsibility for their actions. Abortion shouldn't be an avenue for shitty irresponsible people. That type of procedure should be reserved for the emergency cases (rape, abuse, etc).

Edit: the above is my opinion. :-) not calling you out specifically Crandc. :)
 
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Mitt said he'd endorse Weld if he were the presidential candidate a while ago, and that he'd consider supporting the ticket. But I haven't heard anything from him since.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:

@Denny Crane

Care to explain this one? Do you support the TPP?
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He said the devil is in the details, he's a skeptic, and if it's crony capitalism he wouldn't. Based upon what he's been told, he would.

In general, I do favor free trade and free trade agreements. That said, what they all lacked is that the other side allow collective bargaining and international unions to operate.
 
Denny Crane said:
Ticks.
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Also crickets.

As in, Denny, you post hundreds of anti-Hillary messages, dozens and dozens of pathetic attempts to defend Trump, but yet very little at all about your Johnson. Why?

Is it that you don't know anything more about him than the rest of us? Is there nothing to say?

Or you think maybe everyone would be less likely to vote for him if they actually knew his positions and what he had to say?

You'd rather hold Trump's tiny hand than wave your Johnson around. Why?

barfo
 
barfo said:
Also crickets.

As in, Denny, you post hundreds of anti-Hillary messages, dozens and dozens of pathetic attempts to defend Trump, but yet very little at all about your Johnson. Why?

Is it that you don't know anything more about him than the rest of us? Is there nothing to say?

Or you think maybe everyone would be less likely to vote for him if they actually knew his positions and what he had to say?

You'd rather hold Trump's tiny hand than wave your Johnson around. Why?

barfo
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I think people would vote for Johnson if they knew his positions and what he has to say. Period.

He's more liberal than liberal republicans like Romney or GHW Bush or Nixon. I talk about republicans here because he ran for governor as a republican, and he's not a democrat. He's fiscally responsible, more than most republicans or democrats.

I've repeatedly said I'm voting for him. I took pictures of my ballots where I voted for him in 2012 and the primary this year, and posted it.

I encourage people to vote for him constantly.

Regardless of my dislike for both the major party candidates. And I do hate Hiliar for good reason.

You have missed all the KKK pictures I have posted suggesting they are Trump rallies.

Or you are simply making shit up again.

Are you smarter than a 5th grader?
 
3RA1N1AC said:
If abortion is murder, is drinking while pregnant assault? Smoking? Should we ban those too? Honest question.
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Women have been prosecuted for it under child abuse laws and often have had their babies taken from them for it.
 
johnson pros and cons in my opinion

pros

immigration (let illegals become citizens, let them cross to work by day, go back at night, etc)
Foreign policy (non-interventionist, scale down overseas bases)
civil liberties (legalize drugs, legalize prostitution, speak out against our "allies" who stomp on human rights)
crime (end the drug war, shrink our prison system)
education (end government backed student loans, reduce the price of schooling through the free market)
pro marriage equality
pro separation of church and state
against death penalty as public policy, exceptions are rare but exist
advocate for term limits in congress
get rid of patriot act
end torture
end aid to Israel, other countires

im undecided on his ideas on:

flat tax/ no income tax
he opposes net neutrality
energy (im not necessarily against nuclear, but it is just steam power. we can do better)
global warming
healthcare


cons

for nafta, tpp
for tort reform
for citizens united, but wants transparency
against minimum wage
privatized/ restrict social security
privatized prisons
ayn rand fan
 
MARIS61 said:
Women have been prosecuted for it under child abuse laws and often have had their babies taken from them for it.
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in some states blowjobs are illegal. im talking federal law.
 
crandc said:
That's what all the fine arguments come down to in the end. Slut, you should have kept your legs crossed. It's not about seriously thinking a fertilized egg is a baby. It's sex is a sin, for women, and women must be punished. It's about "little girl, if you play, you have to pay".

No one, of course, tells the man to abstain.
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That is total bs. I don't know anyone who thinks that way or raised their sons that way. Nobody.
 
Denny Crane said:
I think people would vote for Johnson if they knew his positions and what he has to say. Period.

He's more liberal than liberal republicans like Romney or GHW Bush or Nixon. I talk about republicans here because he ran for governor as a republican, and he's not a democrat. He's fiscally responsible, more than most republicans or democrats.

I've repeatedly said I'm voting for him. I took pictures of my ballots where I voted for him in 2012 and the primary this year, and posted it.

I encourage people to vote for him constantly.
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But you don't put any effort into it. 3RA1N1AC's post #50 here contains more Johnson meat than any of your posts. Seems odd to me. Your hate for Clinton seems much, much stronger than your love of Johnson.

barfo
 
barfo said:
But you don't put any effort into it. 3RA1N1AC's post #50 here contains more Johnson meat than any of your posts. Seems odd to me. Your hate for Clinton seems much, much stronger than your love of Johnson.

barfo
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He hasn't put much effort into it either.

We are going to win this time if people choose against the other two. Bashing democrats and republicans has always been the Libertarian way, because ... they deserve to be bashed. I can think of 20 trillion reasons why.
 
Denny Crane said:
He hasn't put much effort into it either.

We are going to win this time if people choose against the other two. Bashing democrats and republicans has always been the Libertarian way, because ... they deserve to be bashed. I can think of 20 trillion reasons why.
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Yeah... well, you aren't going to win this time, so I guess it doesn't really matter.

And maybe you are right - maybe Libertarians don't stand for anything other than bashing others.

But that's why you'll continue to lose elections.

barfo
 
I'll say this for Gary Johnson...he hasn't annoyed me to death with a money pit campaign or played Triumph the insult comic dog to death...he's the Zen choice...let them beat each other up and quietly garner the sanity vote. I'm convinced Trump cannot beat Hillary period..he's getting exposed and has just stuck his foot in his mouth too many times. I pretty much agree with Johnson's plan after reading up a bit. I would like to see a third party get a boost in the standings...maybe even be allowed to join a public debate for a change.
 
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I believe we have a winner.
 
barfo said:
Yeah... well, you aren't going to win this time, so I guess it doesn't really matter.

And maybe you are right - maybe Libertarians don't stand for anything other than bashing others.

But that's why you'll continue to lose elections.

barfo
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Progress.

From < 1% to 1% to ~10% the last 3 elections. Even if that 10% turns out to be overly optimistic, it's the right direction.

The people are wising up to your kind.
 
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