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explain why you are voting for Hillary Clinton.
 
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Certainly.

I don't agree with all her positions or all her history. But she has been a lifelong fighter for women's rights. She has tried to increase access to education and healthcare. In 2008 I would not vote for her or Obama due to opposition to marriage equality but both have come to realize it's a matter of basic justice. She supports increasing the minimum wage. She accepts the scientific consensus on global warming. She has wide ranging experience as a civil rights attorney, children's advocate, later as First Lady being more than ornamental (which is when the hate started), Senator, and Secretary of State. Whatever her faults, she is smart, tough, thorough. She would, ironically, IMO be a better President than campaigner. She is not a natural politician, unlike her husband, does not have charisma, is not really outgoing. But everyone who has worked with her praised her thoroughness, attention to detail, her ability to listen to others, and her determination.

While I would not support her just because she's a woman (I certainly did not support Michele Bachmann), it's kind of like sprinkles on a sundae; after 34 men, it's nice.

Is that enough to start?
 
There's just something special about stress wrinkles and pant suits...she's rockin' both and who doesn't want free Willy roaming the oval office again with a cigar?
 
crandc said:
Certainly.

I don't agree with all her positions or all her history. But she has been a lifelong fighter for women's rights. She has tried to increase access to education and healthcare. In 2008 I would not vote for her or Obama due to opposition to marriage equality but both have come to realize it's a matter of basic justice. She supports increasing the minimum wage. She accepts the scientific consensus on global warming. She has wide ranging experience as a civil rights attorney, children's advocate, later as First Lady being more than ornamental (which is when the hate started), Senator, and Secretary of State. Whatever her faults, she is smart, tough, thorough. She would, ironically, IMO be a better President than campaigner. She is not a natural politician, unlike her husband, does not have charisma, is not really outgoing. But everyone who has worked with her praised her thoroughness, attention to detail, her ability to listen to others, and her determination.

While I would not support her just because she's a woman (I certainly did not support Michele Bachmann), it's kind of like sprinkles on a sundae; after 34 men, it's nice.

Is that enough to start?
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I think that you're fairly representative of most of Hillary's supporters in that your support is based primarily on policy positions. For me, the biggest problem is her negatives relating to trustworthiness. She has a long history of prevarication and outright lying. The whole reason for setting up the email server seems to have been a desire to control access to email records and avoid FOIA requests. The Clinton Foundation just plain smells to high heaven. I just plain don't trust her.
 
Undecided but leaning Hillary.

1) I agree with her in the majority of issues, although there are a few large deviations. The latest -Bernie inspired- platform brings some of those views closer to my liking.

2) I trust that she is very well informed and intelligent enough to continue growing and learning. She will also surround herself with true experts.
 
I would add that I was not on board until the attacks in Belgium. I was unsure if I'd support Bernie, Hillary, or other. But after being disappointed with Bernie's Daily News interview (he sounded so unprepared and questions were not hard), he then uttered generalities. Hillary set out a clear list of actions. In an imperfect world not all would work but she sounded like the adult in the room.

I also think some of her secretiveness, which I agree looks bad even when she does nothing wrong, stems from 30 years of relentless and often vicious attacks. She's been brutally attacked for her looks, her education, her daughter at age 12 ridiculed as "ugly", she's been slammed for routine comments or actions, her marriage publicly dissected, she's been lied about repeatedly and the lies accepted as unvarnished truth (most recently that Debbie Wasserman Schultz was offered a high level position in her campaign after being dumped as DNC chair, DWS was offered an honorary position with no power or duties). So Clinton tries to put a protective fence around herself. As for the email, other Secretaries of State did the same but it was never an issue in the Bush Administration. During the Bush Administration there were 20 attacks on embassies resulting in over 60 deaths, including an ambassador. No Congressional investigations. And if the DNC had paraded the family members of the victims they would have been rightly slammed as cynically manipulating.
 
Because I want a woman to be President when the collapse happens.

I'm just kidding but any answer that includes me voting for Hillary is a joke by definition.
 
riverman said:
There's just something special about stress wrinkles and pant suits...she's rockin' both and who doesn't want free Willy roaming the oval office again with a cigar?
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Does the first man get aides?
 
crandc said:
Certainly.

I don't agree with all her positions or all her history. But she has been a lifelong fighter for women's rights. She has tried to increase access to education and healthcare. In 2008 I would not vote for her or Obama due to opposition to marriage equality but both have come to realize it's a matter of basic justice. She supports increasing the minimum wage. She accepts the scientific consensus on global warming. She has wide ranging experience as a civil rights attorney, children's advocate, later as First Lady being more than ornamental (which is when the hate started), Senator, and Secretary of State. Whatever her faults, she is smart, tough, thorough. She would, ironically, IMO be a better President than campaigner. She is not a natural politician, unlike her husband, does not have charisma, is not really outgoing. But everyone who has worked with her praised her thoroughness, attention to detail, her ability to listen to others, and her determination.

While I would not support her just because she's a woman (I certainly did not support Michele Bachmann), it's kind of like sprinkles on a sundae; after 34 men, it's nice.

Is that enough to start?
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This
 
crandc said:
I would add that I was not on board until the attacks in Belgium. I was unsure if I'd support Bernie, Hillary, or other. But after being disappointed with Bernie's Daily News interview (he sounded so unprepared and questions were not hard), he then uttered generalities. Hillary set out a clear list of actions. In an imperfect world not all would work but she sounded like the adult in the room.

I also think some of her secretiveness, which I agree looks bad even when she does nothing wrong, stems from 30 years of relentless and often vicious attacks. She's been brutally attacked for her looks, her education, her daughter at age 12 ridiculed as "ugly", she's been slammed for routine comments or actions, her marriage publicly dissected, she's been lied about repeatedly and the lies accepted as unvarnished truth (most recently that Debbie Wasserman Schultz was offered a high level position in her campaign after being dumped as DNC chair, DWS was offered an honorary position with no power or duties). So Clinton tries to put a protective fence around herself. As for the email, other Secretaries of State did the same but it was never an issue in the Bush Administration. During the Bush Administration there were 20 attacks on embassies resulting in over 60 deaths, including an ambassador. No Congressional investigations. And if the DNC had paraded the family members of the victims they would have been rightly slammed as cynically manipulating.
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This
 
Hillary Clinton is not perfect. She has made mistakes. Every president has made mistakes. Bengazhi and the email thing have been blown out of proportion. She is the most qualified candidate, really the only qualified person. (Sending a candidate to the whitehouse who has no experience, is like sending a person who has never stepped foot into medical school, to perform a heart surgery)
She has expressed more than vague ideas about what she will do as president, an has in fact outlined comprehensive, legitimate plans to make America better. @crandc has listed these ideas/ideals above. (And in fact covered most of the reasons I am voting for Hillary) Clinton is for me, the candidate I feel most comfortable sending to the White House, to lead our country. She will keep the house and senate on their feet, make sure things get done. It's too time to send a woman to the presidency.
 
Because I absolutely loathe bullies. They have no place in any society whatsoever......
 
I'm not a fan of a President being uninformed or mean, but being able to bully is actually a quality that may be beneficial as President. That doesn't mean they have to bully in an asshat way, calling names and making fun of peoples physical characteristics, but being able to push your ideas and agenda onto others to accomplish is what makes a politician successful.
 
Wow, reading some of the comments in this thread, rip on anyone and anything you don't agree with.

Trump has taught you well.
 
Further said:
I'm not a fan of a President being uninformed or mean, but being able to bully is actually a quality that may be beneficial as President. That doesn't mean they have to bully in an asshat way, calling names and making fun of peoples physical characteristics, but being able to push your ideas and agenda onto others to accomplish is what makes a politician successful.
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Or having people whacked.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Wow, reading some of the comments in this thread, rip on anyone and anything you don't agree with.

Trump has taught you well.
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This is just like the Pepsi vs Coke debate. I don't see why people shouldn't pick a side and stick to it.

Oh, it isn't exactly like that debate because at least Pepsi or Coke has some redeeming quality. They aren't good for you but they taste ok.

This is like choosing between being castrated with a lawnmower or rusty scissors.
 
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