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BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Yes, that's cuz I'm KP.

I guess my question for you is whether or not you've feel KP's earned the money he's made running the Blazers. Your original post says "It's time for KP to earn his money."

My question is whether or not you really feel this way. KP turned this organization around from shit. And if you really feel he hasn't earned his money to date, my opinion is to shit on you. Nothing personal, but do you really think KP hasn't earned his money to date, YES or NO????
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You know it's odd, I saw a baboon at the zoo that settled his argument with another baboon this way. Funny stuff.
 
I'm interested to see how the team and Stern react to this news. If it gets the Wizards out of Arenas' monstrous contract, then they would probably be less likely to unload Butler or Jamison for cheap (or at all).
 
1. Do not make the mistake of thinking Gilbert Arenas is the player he was a few years ago. He is not. I have seen him play about 6 times this year, and he only had one good game out of those, and even then he didn't look right.

2. Jamison would be a great addition although older. I believe he can also play SF.

3. I also love Caron Butlers game. I just think he needs a new start. I don't buy into the injury problems, he has been the only guy to play all the games the last few seasons, even when the team was getting it's teeth kicked in. He plays hurt if he has to.
 
yuyuza1 said:
I'm interested to see how the team and Stern react to this news. If it gets the Wizards out of Arenas' monstrous contract, then they would probably be less likely to unload Butler or Jamison for cheap (or at all).
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Are there 'morality' clauses in NBA contracts? As best I can recall the CBA doesn't allow teams to void a player's contract.

hasoos said:
1. Do not make the mistake of thinking Gilbert Arenas is the player he was a few years ago. He is not. I have seen him play about 6 times this year, and he only had one good game out of those, and even then he didn't look right.

2. Jamison would be a great addition although older. I believe he can also play SF.

3. I also love Caron Butlers game. I just think he needs a new start. I don't buy into the injury problems, he has been the only guy to play all the games the last few seasons, even when the team was getting it's teeth kicked in. He plays hurt if he has to.
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I doubt anybody is thinking of Arenas at all, but either one of Butler or Jamison (for the right price) would probably be a nice addition. Jamison would be a short term rental, but he can still ball. However, Butler would be the real prize in my opinion; I've heard a ton of his problems have to do with him being frozen out by Gil this season, and after a very rough start in November he's been steadily getting better in the past 10 or 15 games.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Are there 'morality' clauses in NBA contracts? As best I can recall the CBA doesn't allow teams to void a player's contract.



I doubt anybody is thinking of Arenas at all, but either one of Butler or Jamison (for the right price) would probably be a nice addition. Jamison would be a short term rental, but he can still ball. However, Butler would be the real prize in my opinion; I've heard a ton of his problems have to do with him being frozen out by Gil this season, and after a very rough start in November he's been steadily getting better in the past 10 or 15 games.
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Yep, but if a player goes to jail, an assload of suspensions will do the same thing that cutting their contract will. He is not only facing weaopons charges, but menacing and endangering the public. There have been folks that have gone to jail for years for that, mind you none of them had millions of dollars and a high profile though.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Are there 'morality' clauses in NBA contracts? As best I can recall the CBA doesn't allow teams to void a player's contract.



I doubt anybody is thinking of Arenas at all, but either one of Butler or Jamison (for the right price) would probably be a nice addition. Jamison would be a short term rental, but he can still ball. However, Butler would be the real prize in my opinion; I've heard a ton of his problems have to do with him being frozen out by Gil this season, and after a very rough start in November he's been steadily getting better in the past 10 or 15 games.
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ive heard this a few times and not sure why. jamison has two more years on his deal after this one. fwiw caron is expiring next year.
 
They have to break up that team and start over. Arenas is untradable. I'm sure that they would prefer to trade Jamison over Butler - Jamison is older, has 2 more seasons on his deal, and couple million/year more than Butler. Butler expires end of next season. I'd rather have Butler, but Jamison may be easier to deal for. How would he fit here? Is he a guy you can put out there with LA and 3 guards when we go small? He's always been a good rebounder. I like the fact that he gets a lot offensive rebounds and can score w/o having to run plays for him. At 33, he's pretty old though.

If we can do expirings and Rudy for Butler, take it. But I doubt that - the Wiz will want more. I'm not sure what they would ask for Jamison? Bayless won't be in a trade for either guy, so that makes it tough. What other "prospect" can we dangle? Claver's rights?
 
Kaydow said:
They have to break up that team and start over. Arenas is untradable. I'm sure that they would prefer to trade Jamison over Butler - Jamison is older, has 2 more seasons on his deal, and couple million/year more than Butler. Butler expires end of next season. I'd rather have Butler, but Jamison may be easier to deal for. How would he fit here? Is he a guy you can put out there with LA and 3 guards when we go small? He's always been a good rebounder. I like the fact that he gets a lot offensive rebounds and can score w/o having to run plays for him. At 33, he's pretty old though.

If we can do expirings and Rudy for Butler, take it. But I doubt that - the Wiz will want more. I'm not sure what they would ask for Jamison? Bayless won't be in a trade for either guy, so that makes it tough. What other "prospect" can we dangle? Claver's rights?
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I actually floated a Blake, Rudy, Travis for Butler trade on the ESPN.com Wizards board awhile ago and people seemed to think that was pretty fair value. They liked Rudy and even thought somewhat highly of Blake for his ability to space the floor and play backup point guard.

Who knows what Grunfeld wants though.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I actually floated a Blake, Rudy, Travis for Butler trade on the ESPN.com Wizards board awhile ago and people seemed to think that was pretty fair value. They liked Rudy and even thought somewhat highly of Blake for his ability to space the floor and play backup point guard.

Who knows what Grunfeld wants though.
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Done and Done.

We would no longer be a good 3 point shooting team, but you have to give to get. Rudy may end up being a really nice player, but not here. Not behind Brandon, and not in a slow pace system. He's relegated to 20 something minutes as a spot up shooter. He wants to have the ball more and he'd probably be more effective in an uptempo offense.

Personally, I think Rudy is a bit soft. If our identity is going to be a half court team that plays defense and rebounds, then he doesn't fit that. If you can get a tough nosed guy like Butler for him, it's a no brainer.
 
Kaydow said:
Done and Done.

We would no longer be a good 3 point shooting team, but you have to give to get. Rudy may end up being a really nice player, but not here. Not behind Brandon, and not in a slow pace system. He's relegated to 20 something minutes as a spot up shooter. He wants to have the ball more and he'd probably be more effective in an uptempo offense.

Personally, I think Rudy is a bit soft. If our identity is going to be a half court team that plays defense and rebounds, then he doesn't fit that. If you can get a tough nosed guy like Butler for him, it's a no brainer.
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Obviously I think followup moves would need to be made either this year or next to add some wing shooting back into the mix, but hopefully Nic's longrange shooting at least holds steady or slightly improves (37% from the arc last season) and Martell would be a serviceable backup shooting guard in the interim, and frankly I think LaMarcus has a shot at becoming a good or great deep threat (at least from the corners).
 
Kaydow said:
Done and Done.

We would no longer be a good 3 point shooting team, but you have to give to get. Rudy may end up being a really nice player, but not here. Not behind Brandon, and not in a slow pace system. He's relegated to 20 something minutes as a spot up shooter. He wants to have the ball more and he'd probably be more effective in an uptempo offense.

Personally, I think Rudy is a bit soft. If our identity is going to be a half court team that plays defense and rebounds, then he doesn't fit that. If you can get a tough nosed guy like Butler for him, it's a no brainer.
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You know I don't buy that Rudy being relegated to a spot up shooter. Bayless has shown that you can be more than that when he has been in. I think more of the problem has been Rudy is used to playing with a real PG in the lineup, and gets passive when in our system.
 
hasoos said:
You know I don't buy that Rudy being relegated to a spot up shooter. Bayless has shown that you can be more than that when he has been in. I think more of the problem has been Rudy is used to playing with a real PG in the lineup, and gets passive when in our system.
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I'd agree with that except that he was paired up with Miller most of the time, and this year, far more than last, Nate put the ball in his hands as a playmaker in the half-court. The result? His usage rate is slightly higher, he's doubled his turnover rate from last year while his assist rate is pretty much identical.

I like Rudy, but he really is best suited as a true off-the-ball shooting guard that runs off of screens and catches and shoots; I just don't think he's as versatile as we hoped he might be.
 
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I'd agree with that except that he was paired up with Miller most of the time, and this year, far more than last, Nate put the ball in his hands as a playmaker in the half-court. The result? His usage rate is slightly higher, he's doubled his turnover rate from last year while his assist rate is pretty much identical.

I like Rudy, but he really is best suited as a true off-the-ball shooting guard that runs off of screens and catches and shoots; I just don't think he's as versatile as we hoped he might be.
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I would give Rudy and Roy a chance together on the court and give Rudy some touches as primary ballhandler before giving in to such a theory. IMO right now, one of the only reasons the Blazers are playing as well as they are right now is due to the injuries on the court. When players got hurt, it forced Nate to do some things that he would have never done otherwise. He was forced to play players he would not play for long minutes. He was also forced to shorten the rotation. The problem being, when Rudy comes back, he will no longer be in such a predicament, and so we will probably never see him give Rudy that chance. The same chance Bayless is taking advantage of now.

If it was my way or the highway, we would have been playing Roy, Rudy, and Bayless all along and been looking for them to Gel. There is no use to squeaking by with a backup in a starters role trying out a few more wins when the goal is to get the team to championship contender status.
 
Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I don't see a good fit for Jamison or Butler in Portland.

What I want, if I'm the Blazers, is a fairly young guy that can fit in with the rest of their team.

If they want an older guy as a stop-gap, I'd like for a guy on a cheaper/shorter term deal.
 
If someone is willing to take on Arenas they can have anyone, they will need to send around 25 to 30 million in salary if they want to add Jamison or Butler.
 
Unintentional irony from Shaun Powell:

The Wizards are a toxic mix right now, and some GMs believe they'll be broken up by the trading deadline. Much of the discontent centers around Gilbert Arenas and his shooting.
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The Sebastian Express said:
While the numerous offenses clearly surpass those of the Wizards - not even that can compare to pulling guns on your teammates.
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Hmmm...not sure which is worse...raping Nanny, attempting to rape stripper, pulling gun on teammate...but yes, this is quite bad!
 
From Yahoo:

@WojYahooNBA As Wiz move to demolish roster, front office is seriously exploring a deal for T-Mac's expiring deal, sources say. Butler likely bait. about 6 hours ago
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the rockets will be nasty if they can get butler and jamison for mcgrady. naaaasty.
 
Supposedly only crappy GMs can. Good ones realize their roster's already set.
 
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