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Freshtown said:
I would prefer to wait until we see the results of this season. If we are killing it and the team looks awesome, I’m ok extending him mid-season or after the season.

But if we are again a middling team with big issues, then I’d prefer to trade Dame at the deadline or next offseason, and I’d rather not have a massive contract that lowers Dame’s trade value.
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Hello,

pretty much my stance as well.
 
When you have your Tim Duncan or Dirk you are investing in your franchise....rather they lock Dame up now than wait 40 years for another Dame to show up. Given how much money ownership has to play with it's only fair Dame gets a chunk of it...the tv deal is around the corner so there will be more money available the second half of his contract. That money will help Dame buy the Blazers with his buddies when he retires. Jody has really deep pockets now after selling off Paul's estate.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Not right now he shouldn't be. If we get off to a horrible start, and it's clear that Dame/Simons isn't working, then I think we need to explore all options, which should include trading Dame or Simons.
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I can’t think of a better plan to help firm up the view around the league of Portland being the last outpost where no quality NBA star wants to go than to get tight with Dame’s extension money. I have zero doubt that his value as an asset to the team does anything but improve with his contract guaranteed for two more years.
 
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I don’t care if they give him the money. But holy shit am I tired of all the “he’s so loyal and such a trooper” stuff. Great, he hasn’t asked to be traded (that we know of), but he has a say in personnel decisions, he plays however he wants, and has always been paid as a superstar. The loyalty to him goes both ways.
 
Be crazy not to give Dame the Super Max. The NBA is a Machine that Dame helps propel, and he certainly gives Portland relevance and energizes this small market team.
 
riverman said:
When you have your Tim Duncan or Dirk you are investing in your franchise....rather they lock Dame up now than wait 40 years for another Dame to show up. Given how much money ownership has to play with it's only fair Dame gets a chunk of it...the tv deal is around the corner so there will be more money available the second half of his contract. That money will help Dame buy the Blazers with his buddies when he retires. Jody has really deep pockets now after selling off Paul's estate.
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40 years?

If I think of team-changing players in Blazer history:
Walton - mid-70s
Drexler - 90s
Roy
Dame

Yes we have had great teams without those guys but they are the ones that come to mind that seemed to fundamentally change the team.

That is nearly one game-changer per decade.
 
e_blazer said:
I can’t think of a better plan to help firm up the view around the league of Portland being the last outpost where no quality NBA star wants to go than to get tight with Dame’s extension money. I have zero doubt that his value as an asset to the team does anything but improve with his contract guaranteed for two more years.
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I think people can recognize that the team is pretty shite and it's time to make a chance. Most superstars in his position would have wanted out by now. If the team opted to go young, I think most people (superstars included) would understand.
 
GrandpaBlaze said:
40 years?

If I think of team-changing players in Blazer history:
Walton - mid-70s
Drexler - 90s
Roy
Dame

Yes we have had great teams without those guys but they are the ones that come to mind that seemed to fundamentally change the team.

That is nearly one game-changer per decade.
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Unlike the 3 you named....Dame hasn't changed teams ...great players but didn't retire Blazers...that's what I call a franchise player...hence the Dirk, Duncan comparison. Also the 3 guys you mentioned had a lot more talent to play with than Dame has had in his era.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I always thought the Lakers were stupid to be paying Kobe that much money while they clearly needed to rebuild..... and here we are.

The difference, is that Kobe won 5 rings.
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No. The difference is Kobe was awful when they paid him that much.
 
Dame doesn't play defense. Let's see how he looks in the upcoming season.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think people can recognize that the team is pretty shite and it's time to make a chance. Most superstars in his position would have wanted out by now. If the team opted to go young, I think most people (superstars included) would understand.
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I don't agree with the first statement. The team is incomplete, but has one great player, some good components, and can add more through trades and FAs. I know you're down on the team, but I think that there's a good opportunity to field a team that can make the playoffs this year and compete next season. I don't see Dame's value going down in that time period so I don't see a rush to abandon Plan A in favor of a rebuild Plan B. If things crash this year, sure, you work a deal with a contender to get value for Dame in terms of picks and young players. I don't see why you'd want to miss the chance at Plan A only to prematurely dive into a very uncertain Plan B.
 
e_blazer said:
I can’t think of a better plan to help firm up the view around the league of Portland being the last outpost where no quality NBA star wants to go than to get tight with Dame’s extension money. I have zero doubt that his value as an asset to the team does anything but improve with his contract guaranteed for two more years.
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I don't think keeping our roster-construction options open is the same as "getting tight with Dame's extension money". I don't think it's unreasonable to state/conclude that if the team is interested in trading Dame, his trade value will be higher with 3-year deal in place than a 5-year. Anyone who thinks they know how this roster will perform as currently constructed is absolutely fooling themselves. If Dame is playing at an all-star but not all-NBA level (very possible), Ant shows that his 2022 performance was not flukey (likely, IMO), and the rest of the roster is not enough to approach contender status (it almost certainly won't be), it would make sense to look to deal Dame at the deadline for the best rebuild package we can find.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I don't think keeping our roster-construction options open is the same as "getting tight with Dame's extension money". I don't think it's unreasonable to state/conclude that if the team is interested in trading Dame, his trade value will be higher with 3-year deal in place than a 5-year. Anyone who thinks they know how this roster will perform as currently constructed is absolutely fooling themselves. If Dame is playing at an all-star but not all-NBA level (very possible), Ant shows that his 2022 performance was not flukey (likely, IMO), and the rest of the roster is not enough to approach contender status (it almost certainly won't be), it would make sense to look to deal Dame at the deadline for the best rebuild package we can find.
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Dame is a generational talent. Ant looks like a good player who could, maybe, be special. It's funny how guys like Steph are like a fine wine in some views, but Dame's like over the hill and not likely to be special anymore. I don't doubt Dame. Even if he gets off to a slow start, he will kick it in and destroy foos.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I don't think keeping our roster-construction options open is the same as "getting tight with Dame's extension money". I don't think it's unreasonable to state/conclude that if the team is interested in trading Dame, his trade value will be higher with 3-year deal in place than a 5-year. Anyone who thinks they know how this roster will perform as currently constructed is absolutely fooling themselves. If Dame is playing at an all-star but not all-NBA level (very possible), Ant shows that his 2022 performance was not flukey (likely, IMO), and the rest of the roster is not enough to approach contender status (it almost certainly won't be), it would make sense to look to deal Dame at the deadline for the best rebuild package we can find.
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I'm not saying that the extension should be signed before the rest of the off-season plays out so Cronin can maximize the roster. Of course no one knows with any certainty how the roster will perform this season...the roster isn't even built yet and, as you say, we haven't seen how healthy Dame is. I said that the team should look at a rebuild if it becomes apparent that this reboot isn't going to work. I'm pretty certain that Dame doesn't want to spend the rest of his career here if we're looking at a five-year or so rebuild. I'm just saying that I am NOT in favor of dealing Dame this summer without trying to build a competitive roster around him here this season.
 
calvin natt said:
I don’t care if they give him the money. But holy shit am I tired of all the “he’s so loyal and such a trooper” stuff. Great, he hasn’t asked to be traded (that we know of), but he has a say in personnel decisions, he plays however he wants, and has always been paid as a superstar. The loyalty to him goes both ways.
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Yeah, I just think Dame is the kind of player the Supermax is there for. A franchise defining star. Pay the man.
 
e_blazer said:
I'm not saying that the extension should be signed before the rest of the off-season plays out so Cronin can maximize the roster. Of course no one knows with any certainty how the roster will perform this season...the roster isn't even built yet and, as you say, we haven't seen how healthy Dame is. I said that the team should look at a rebuild if it becomes apparent that this reboot isn't going to work. I'm pretty certain that Dame doesn't want to spend the rest of his career here if we're looking at a five-year or so rebuild. I'm just saying that I am NOT in favor of dealing Dame this summer without trying to build a competitive roster around him here this season.
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So we mostly agree here; only question is when it makes sense to ink him to an extension. Personally, I'd like to wait until 2023. Could be January, could be after the deadline...just at some point after we have an idea if Cronin's vision might actually be building toward a Dame-centric contender. I don't think there's any way to gauge that at any point during this off-season.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
So we mostly agree here; only question is when it makes sense to ink him to an extension. Personally, I'd like to wait until 2023. Could be January, could be after the deadline...just at some point after we have an idea if Cronin's vision might actually be building toward a Dame-centric contender. I don't think there's any way to gauge that at any point during this off-season.
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I wouldn't be surprised at all if the extension has already been agreed to and is one of the reasons that Dame settled back from previous rumbles of discontentment into his expressing support of the rebuild. I think the extension happens as soon as free agency plays out.

Edit: That's consistent with what Jake Fischer is reporting:

https://www.basketballnews.com/stor...-lillard-twoyear-100m-extension-nba-offseason
 
PtldPlatypus said:
So we mostly agree here; only question is when it makes sense to ink him to an extension. Personally, I'd like to wait until 2023. Could be January, could be after the deadline...just at some point after we have an idea if Cronin's vision might actually be building toward a Dame-centric contender. I don't think there's any way to gauge that at any point during this off-season.
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Agreed. And I think Dame would understand that as well...
 
e_blazer said:
I know you're down on the team
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I'm not down on the team. I'm realistic about our chances of contending with this roster. I think we have some really nice pieces for the future, but if the ultimate goal is to win a championship, this team is currently straddling two paths. That might change. Free agency starts tomorrow and we still might make some trades. I might feel differently in the fall, but right now we're still a long way from being one of the top teams.
 
tykendo said:
It's funny how guys like Steph are like a fine wine in some views, but Dame's like over the hill and not likely to be special anymore.
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That's not all what is being said. Steph is on a team that just won the freakin championship. Dame is on a team that just had the 7th pick in the draft.

Some people, myself included, think we should trade Dame while he is still special and just start the rebuild around Ant/Little/Sharpe/etc. We feel this way because we don't see a realistic path to building a contender around Dame while he is still special.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'm not down on the team. I'm realistic about our chances of contending with this roster. I think we have some really nice pieces for the future, but if the ultimate goal is to win a championship, this team is currently straddling two paths. That might change. Free agency starts tomorrow and we still might make some trades. I might feel differently in the fall, but right now we're still a long way from being one of the top teams.
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I'd agree with most of that. I don't think the team is straddling two paths, although the drafting of Sharpe kind of looks that way. I think Cronin just views Sharpe as the best asset he could obtain with the 7 pick. I certainly don't think that the Blazers are likely to compete for a title this year, but I think it's possible within a 2-3 year time period if things break right for Cronin.
 
Dame staying is not a guaranty of a champion. But Rebuilding, sure as hell ain't a guaranty either. And who's to say if Sharpe does end up being all that, he doesn't say adios as soon as he achieves that level. I'm riding with Dame.
 
riverman said:
When you have your Tim Duncan or Dirk you are investing in your franchise....rather they lock Dame up now than wait 40 years for another Dame to show up. Given how much money ownership has to play with it's only fair Dame gets a chunk of it...the tv deal is around the corner so there will be more money available the second half of his contract. That money will help Dame buy the Blazers with his buddies when he retires. Jody has really deep pockets now after selling off Paul's estate.
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Duncan and Dirk both resigned for much less than the max to win.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Duncan and Dirk both resigned for much less than the max to win.
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At the end of his career Duncan signed for less to keep Manu Ginobli....which is an awesome franchise player move...neither Dirk nor Duncan did that at 33 years of age though...Duncan was in his late 30s when he did it and until Dame is Melo's age, we won't know what he'd do to keep talent on the roster. Also Dame like Duncan and Dirk invests his money in the Portland community. That's a franchise player. Walton, BRoy nor Clyde did any of that.
 
riverman said:
At the end of his career Duncan signed for less to keep Manu Ginobli....which is an awesome franchise player move...neither Dirk nor Duncan did that at 33 years of age though...
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Dirk was 36--just a year older than Dame will be after his current contract expires.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Dirk was 36--just a year older than Dame will be after his current contract expires.
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good to hear....that's not how old Dame is now so I don't get the comparison...I said both Duncan and he were older when they took paycuts and they were. I think Dirk, Tim and Dame are all 3 cut from the same cloth
 
If each team could pay “max money” to two players (similar to the provisions of how max is calculated, today) apart from the cap, tax, team salary … then have team salary numbers for the cap calculated from the other 13 … and have an escape clause for unwanted top 2 players paying off the contract and freeing up a slot … then the supermax is whether a player deserves it, not a matter of other guys WILL get less. [Players should make out on the division of the spoils.]

Just spitballing, here. There’s plenty of room for argument and ripping this idea to shreds. Otherwise, it takes a Duncan taking less to improve or extend the run with a changing of the guard.

Since the above isn’t the case … and since the team is unfinished and MAY not work when the season begins, then waiting on giving the supermax is better if/when Lillard want out and if/when the Blazers decide to re-build around youth.

The timing (and the conditions on the team surrounding such) of an extension should be understood and communicated between Cronin and Lillard. Player and team have options.

If that’s understood between them, then I don’t need to know the details.
 
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