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"likewhored himself"?

is that a verb?
Yeah, it's not in Webster's but the Oxford dictionary definitely has it as the past participle of likewhore which is one that cheaply sells themselves out for likes in forums and on other social media outlets. It's a very common word. The website: https://www.smart-words.org/500-most-commonly-used-english-words.html had it ranked as the 51st most used word in the English language right between she and which. That's just how fucking common it is. I can't believe you hadn't heard, read and said it before.
 
ok...so?

some poster actually said some other posters care more about Dame than they do about winning. I want to know how the fuck anybody would know that Portland could win more often over the next 2 or 3 seasons without Dame than with him

I know I come across as a Dame apologist but the doom-and-gloom crowd around here are making a hell of a lot more assumptions than those with a little bit of optimism

Because winning games and winning a championship are two completely different things.

Can the Blazers win games with Dame? Absolutely.

Can the Blazers win a championship with Dame? Right now it's not looking so good. Hypothetically yes, if the team were able to go out and put enough talent around him, they could in theory win a championship with him. But will they be able to get all that talent? Hard to say. The odds are no. We only have maybe 3-4 years of Dame being Dame. At some point he has to transition to the next phase of his career.

So really the question is, do you care more about Dame or winning a championship?
 
You don't really have to make assumptions when you have a decade of data to draw from. Paying Lillard a large percentage of the team's salary does not translate into playoff victory. Some people are sick of it, and some people just want to keep Lillard at any cost. If a critical mass of fans would see reality, management would have a lot more leverage every time Lillard asks for more more more or else he will take his ball and go somewhere else. It's a tired act.

lack of playoff victory wasn't because of paying Dame 180-190M over the last decade....

it was because of paying Olshey 30M to incompetently mismanage the team, paying Stotts 30M to coach, and over-paying CJ 150M to be option 1b
 
lack of playoff victory wasn't because of paying Dame 180-190M over the last decade....

it was because of paying Olshey 30M to incompetently mismanage the team, paying Stotts 30M to coach, and over-paying CJ 150M to be option 1b

That's all true, and it's Neil's fault that we pissed away most of Dame's prime, but the past is the past. We're looking at the future, and it's hard to make a case to keep Dame around and pay him ungodly amounts of money while we have a roster that might barely make the playoffs.
 
You don't really have to make assumptions when you have a decade of data to draw from. Paying Lillard a large percentage of the team's salary does not translate into playoff victory. Some people are sick of it, and some people just want to keep Lillard at any cost. If a critical mass of fans would see reality, management would have a lot more leverage every time Lillard asks for more more more or else he will take his ball and go somewhere else. It's a tired act.
And we can be sure that this sentiment is accurate because Olshey always did such a masterful job of putting complementary pieces around him and using the rest of the available salary wisely. So it's definitely all on Dame being paid just as much as other perrenial all nba players.
 
so really the question is, do you care more about Dame or winning a championship?

LOL...c'mon man. That's a pretty fucking ridiculous either/or and I'm pretty sure you know it is

considering it's been 45 years since Portland won their only championship, and 30 years since they've been in the finals, I'm confident keeping Dame won't change the equation negatively
 
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Warriors are sure glad they kept Steph....we'll be glad we kept Dame. Jody is spending money...I thought that would make folks happy...does me! We already have better players around him than we have had in the past other than the LA Rolo team
 
LOL...c'mon man. That's a pretty fucking ridiculous either/or and I'm pretty sure you know it is

considering it's been 45 years since Portland has won their only championship, and 30 years since they've been in the finals, I'm confident keeping Dame won't change the equation negatively
The question is, with our lack of assets do you see the current squad being able to make moves necessary to become contenders in Dames timeline?

If not, it should be time to explore the trades. For instance, if we start this year and are a bottom 5 team in the West, or make the play-in and sign ourselves up for that the next 4 years, does that make you happy as a fan? It is quite depressing to me.
 
how often did Portland win without Dame this season? hint: 14 times out of 57 tries. 14-43. In case you're wondering that would be averaging 20 wins a year. Such winning!

Hello,

I would like to point out the flaw I see in this analogy.
The team didn't have the return Dame would net on this roster when he sat out last season.
That haul would definitely improv the win/loss record unless if was for a bunch of picks.
Not really seeing how your post makes sense. Sorry.
 
That's all true, and it's Neil's fault that we pissed away most of Dame's prime, but the past is the past. We're looking at the future, and it's hard to make a case to keep Dame around and pay him ungodly amounts of money while we have a roster that might barely make the playoffs.
I think the team and I agree with them, thinks that Ant is going to be better next to Dame than CJ was. Also that Grant is the best forward they've put with Dame since LaMarcus. I don't think they're done with this roster yet. I do think when this roster is complete for this season that they'll be a 4th-6th seed and not a team that might barely make the playoffs. I also think they're trying to gather talent to make other moves that they see as complementary to Dame, should Dame/Ant have some of the same problems as Dame/CJ. That's how I see things right now but I could be totally wrong and the smart move might be to build around the Simons/Sharpe back court. Unfortunately for people with the vision of the team you have that ship set sail when the Grant trade went down and it will be too late to turn back once they extend him if that's a weird two year extension before the trade is official or a longer one before the trade deadline next year... this shit is going to happen. The best you can do now is hope that it does get us to a point where we can contend.

I'm going to say this again. People are sleeping on Jerami Grant as an exceptional second or third option on offense and a really good defender.
 
It's really simple math: in a salary cap/ luxury tax league, if you pay one player all the money, and especially if that one player is not a dominant player day in and day out, you won't win because you didn't have enough money to get other good players to pick up his slack. Dame is a good player, but he doesn't play up to his contract as it is, much less giving him $50+ million more while he gets older and more injury prone. He simply doesn't have the resume to deserve the money he wants, and the only reason management pays it to him is because fans keep coming to watch him lose in the first round. Enough is enough. Stop giving this dude all the money that should go to getting a better team together.
 
IIRC it was more coming back than OG, but that more talent was at the same level as OG, or below. Like all of the realistic Dame trades it was trading a dollar for a couple of quarters (at most), a dime, and a nickel
I will agree that there really aren't many reasonable theoretical Dame trades that make a ton of sense. The teams that have assets that buttress a true rebuild aren't in a position to become contenders by adding Dame, and vice versa.
 
The question is, with our lack of assets do you see the current squad being able to make moves necessary to become contenders in Dames timeline?

If not, it should be time to explore the trades. For instance, if we start this year and are a bottom 5 team in the West, or make the play-in and sign ourselves up for that the next 4 years, does that make you happy as a fan? It is quite depressing to me.

well, I don't believe the Blazers are done yet or that the roster, as it is, is as hopeless as you do

maybe I'm being too optimistic but I'm thinking a healthy, motivated Dame leading a new roster coached by Billups is not reason for all the doom & gloom that many of you see. If, the Blazers are a bottom 5 team in the West again, they can tank and field offers for Dame. I think they will be a lot better than that
 
well, I don't believe the Blazers are done yet or that the roster, as it is, is as hopeless as you do

maybe I'm being too optimistic but I'm thinking a healthy, motivated Dame leading a new roster coached by Billups is not reason for all the doom & gloom that many of you see. If, the Blazers are a bottom 5 team in the West again, they can tank and field offers for Dame. I think they will be a lot better than that
I think the probability that we end up top 4 and can actually stand a chance against the Warriors is non-existant.

Not looking forward to a treadmill team fighting for the playoffs and gettinf knocked out in the play in or first round.

We don't have many assets to improve upon either.
 
I think the probability that we end up top 4 and can actually stand a chance against the Warriors is non-existant.

I guess that means that 29 other teams should give up and look to trade their best player....?
 
It's really simple math: in a salary cap/ luxury tax league, if you pay one player all the money, and especially if that one player is not a dominant player day in and day out, you won't win because you didn't have enough money to get other good players to pick up his slack. Dame is a good player, but he doesn't play up to his contract as it is, much less giving him $50+ million more while he gets older and more injury prone. He simply doesn't have the resume to deserve the money he wants, and the only reason management pays it to him is because fans keep coming to watch him lose in the first round. Enough is enough. Stop giving this dude all the money that should go to getting a better team together.
This season Dame will be the 8th highest paid player in the league... I realize he only played a few games last season in which he was extremely hobbled by the injury that ended his season but all of the experts agree is not one that will be chronic. So I'll excuse the fact that your memory fails you but before last season Dame was the 5th leading vote getter in all nba voting, the year before that 8th, the year before that 8th and the year before that 4th. So I'd say that he does play up to his contract since it's the 8th highest contract in the league... I mean if you were just trying to play semantics and say that he wasn't worth it last season you'd be right but otherwise you're just wrong. If you don't like all nba voting you can look up a wonderful stat, points created which adds up the points a player scores and those he assists on. He's been second to Steph a couple of times and the season before last, he was second to Luka.
 
LOL...c'mon man. That's a pretty fucking ridiculous either/or and I'm pretty sure you know it is

considering it's been 45 years since Portland won their only championship, and 30 years since they've been in the finals, I'm confident keeping Dame won't change the equation negatively

No. It's not.

If you're looking at the team as a pragmatist, it's very clear that we have a very very very slim chance of winning a championship with Dame while he's still one of the best players in the league. So if you're really pushing to keep Dame, you're putting Dame above winning.

Chasing a championship at this point is putting off the rebuild, and we are turning our backs on our greatest asset to help that rebuild.
 
please justify that assertion

Shouldn't the person arguing to give Lillard everyone else's lunch have the burden to justify that? I mean, he played in 29 games last season while the team, which has been steadily declining for several years, sank into the lottery. What about that says, "Pay that man as much as we possibly can" ? I mean, I don't really want to bag on him by bringing up his lack of defense or getting punked by Jrue Holiday...like I said, he is a good player. He just doesn't have the resume of a superstar who can carry a championship team without saving money for other good players.
 
It's really simple math: in a salary cap/ luxury tax league, if you pay one player all the money, and especially if that one player is not a dominant player day in and day out, you won't win because you didn't have enough money to get other good players to pick up his slack. Dame is a good player, but he doesn't play up to his contract as it is, much less giving him $50+ million more while he gets older and more injury prone. He simply doesn't have the resume to deserve the money he wants, and the only reason management pays it to him is because fans keep coming to watch him lose in the first round. Enough is enough. Stop giving this dude all the money that should go to getting a better team together.
Also as far as your simple math goes. The last several champions all had players taking up as much or more of their cap space than Dame does and all of those players are set up to be making 50+ in the years that Dame will... if LeBron is still playing. Do you know why? It's because superstars win in this league... not spreading your money around evenly. Going in with big money on the best talent and then having the understanding of who the role players are that will help that superstar talent the most.
 
No. It's not.

If you're looking at the team as a pragmatist, it's very clear that we have a very very very slim chance of winning a championship with Dame while he's still one of the best players in the league. So if you're really pushing to keep Dame, you're putting Dame above winning.

Chasing a championship at this point is putting off the rebuild, and we are turning our backs on our greatest asset to help that rebuild.

if you want a rebuild then not only trade Dame but also trade Simons, trade Hart, trade Nurkic and build a bottom-5 team because any wins those guys add are bad for the rebuild

It may be that I'm straddling a fence in purgatory that keeps Dame, but you guys are most definitely straddling a fence in the same damn zip-code by saying trade Dame for essentially a completed rebuild
 
Shouldn't the person arguing to give Lillard everyone else's lunch have the burden to justify that? I mean, he played in 29 games last season while the team, which has been steadily declining for several years, sank into the lottery. What about that says, "Pay that man as much as we possibly can" ? I mean, I don't really want to bag on him by bringing up his lack of defense or getting punked by Jrue Holiday...like I said, he is a good player. He just doesn't have the resume of a superstar who can carry a championship team without saving money for other good players.

100%
 
Shouldn't the person arguing to give Lillard everyone else's lunch have the burden to justify that? I mean, he played in 29 games last season while the team, which has been steadily declining for several years, sank into the lottery. What about that says, "Pay that man as much as we possibly can" ? I mean, I don't really want to bag on him by bringing up his lack of defense or getting punked by Jrue Holiday...like I said, he is a good player. He just doesn't have the resume of a superstar who can carry a championship team without saving money for other good players.
The only part of the resume that he doesn't have is the championship. The fact is that is because of Olshey's shitty team building around him. If you don't think that then I don't really give a shit because it means that you either haven't been paying attention or you don't know what you're talking about. If you think staying with the Dame/CJ experiment so long was a good idea, I feel bad for you. If you think that Dame was the bad variable in that experiment, I feel worse for you. The fact is that Dame has been one of the top 5 offensive weapons in the league over the past six seasons before last season and he was surrounded but uncomplementary teammates and a bad coach.
 
We should be trading Lillard now. These talks about an extension make me want to trade him even more. Rebuild, re-tool. We have a solid young core. We could add to that even more if we unload Lillard.

We aren’t winning SHIT with Lillard no other stars next to him and the way we’ve made moves shows we don’t know how.
 
Shouldn't the person arguing to give Lillard everyone else's lunch have the burden to justify that? I mean, he played in 29 games last season while the team, which has been steadily declining for several years, sank into the lottery. What about that says, "Pay that man as much as we possibly can" ? I mean, I don't really want to bag on him by bringing up his lack of defense or getting punked by Jrue Holiday...like I said, he is a good player. He just doesn't have the resume of a superstar who can carry a championship team without saving money for other good players.

you're using last season as the template for his pay scale? LOL

6 months before Dame & the team shut him down for the season, Dame averaged 34 & 10 in the playoffs with a TS% of .660 while posting the best winshare/48 and BPM of all playoff performers. Portland did not lose that series because they were paying Dame 35% of the cap, they lost it because they were paying CJ-Nurkic-Roco-Powell-Jones 68% of the cap and Dame did more to win games in that series than the other 5 combined
 
I guess that means that 29 other teams should give up and look to trade their best player....?
They should be looking towards acquiring talent that makes them contenders. Not running on the same treadmill expecting different results.

Our best player is 32 years old. If trading him gives us the right assets, you don't just blindly say no.
 
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