OT World Allies Think US Law Enforcement Aided Coup Attempt

[Hoopguru]

Did you ever read “Seven Days in May”? That’s what a real coup attempt in the US would look like.

agree...if there was a legit attempt to overthrow the government it would have been a whole lot worse with auto weapons, artillery, and military going at each other.
Insurgency yes...a bunch of red neck trumpers.

 

[e_blazer]

wut?

if you get pissed off at somebody, haul out a gun with the intention of shooting the person, and fire off shots at that person, it's attempted murder. It doesn't matter if you missed them by 4 feet because you're a lousy shot, and for damn sure it doesn't matter if you're pissed off because of lies. It's still attempted murder

yesterday was an attempted coup

Oh, I have no doubt that some of the yahoos thought they were going to force the Senate to change the EC vote for the Trumpster. It’s just so laughable that anyone would think it would have a chance of succeeding. But, I’m certainly not against prosecution on those grounds if it can be proven that was the intent. God, what a bunch of morons.

 

[Chris Craig]

Do you seriously think that bunch of Bubbas had any chance of overthrowing the US government?

The Bubbas did

 

[e_blazer]

The Bubbas did

Maybe. It’s going to be pretty interesting to see how much of a plan they. To me it seems a lot like when Cousin Eddie goes off in the RV and brings Clark’s boss back in his pajamas.

 

[jlprk]

Four people are dead in one day. There were riots in nearly every major city throughout the US all summer long and never once did you see four dead in a day.

Leftists are lean and poor. Republican fatties die from heart attacks during exciting demonstrations.

 

[jonnyboy]

Personally, when it comes to rioting, vandalism, violence and disrespect for public property, as many dead white (or other color) people as it takes to stop it. And I don’t give one good shit about their political affiliations of ideologies. Bad behavior is bad behavior. I did not support the breakdown of peaceful protests in any city, including Portland (despite government agents intent on escalating events). Once things broke down into chaos, law enforcement should have stepped in. But..........hold the phone.....they really couldn’t because it was they themselves who had planted the seeds that lead to the chaos. To take a “firm” response was to give validation to the protestors.

But we’re comparing apples to oranges here anyway. You’re playing with false equivalencies. A white (mostly male) mob stormed the US Capital and briefly took control (hell, left wing protestors never even made it into the Federal Bldg in Portland). Rationalize all you want, it was wrong. They clearly tried to subvert established democratic procedures. Capital police were obviously complicit (see the resignation of the police chief). How much proof do you need??? Or are you one of those that actually believes the election was truly stolen??? This fiasco was an attempt by disaffected white people to hold onto power (that only their skin color gives them) that has been slipping from their grasp for decades. No more, no less. Systemic racism is embedded in the American bedrock. The trick to rooting it out is to acknowledge it.......

I never rationalized any of this, you are just buying into the ‘us vs. them’ narrative and assigning me a placeholder. Nothing I posted suggests I support what happened, I just disagree with your assertion that it was some sort of covert white nationalist coup. People were rioting because they thought the election was stolen, not because they are a bunch of Jim Crow-era holdouts that've been waiting in the woodwork for 60 years. None of the reasoning supports the reaction. I just find it interesting how the hard-liners on both the left or right seem to flip flop on what is and isn’t acceptable behavior. This is all bullshit. There is no power in a skin color, it’s all about money and influence. When people on both sides realize this they will stop being tricked by the media into rioting and fighting their own neighbors while politicians and billionaires gain more power.

 

[donkiez]

I never rationalized any of this, you are just buying into the ‘us vs. them’ narrative and assigning me a placeholder. Nothing I posted suggests I support what happened, I just disagree with your assertion that it was some sort of covert white nationalist coup. People were rioting because they thought the election was stolen, not because they are a bunch of Jim Crow-era holdouts that've been waiting in the woodwork for 60 years. None of the reasoning supports the reaction. I just find it interesting how the hard-liners on both the left or right seem to flip flop on what is and isn’t acceptable behavior. This is all bullshit. There is no power in a skin color, it’s all about money and influence. When people on both sides realize this they will stop being tricked by the media into rioting and fighting their own neighbors while politicians and billionaires gain more power.

Did you see the wad of zip tie cuffs that were found on someone in the capitol? What do you think they were planning to do with those?

 

[donkiez]

I kind of hate to say it, but it certainly puts "Don't Tread On Me" in a new context.

There is a picture of her with a Don't Tread on Me Flag in the protest before the riot.

 

[donkiez]

Leftists are lean and poor. Republican fatties die from heart attacks during exciting demonstrations.

They also tazer themselves then die from the heart attack it created.

 

[crandc]

When I see Confederate traitor flags and t shirts saying six million weren't enough it's not a stretch to call them white supremacists and racists.

 

[jonnyboy]

Did you see the wad of zip tie cuffs that were found on someone in the capitol? What do you think they were planning to do with those?

Probably try to detain some Congress people or something crazy to that effect. All kinds of shit gets confiscated at a riot. Where are you going with this?

 

[jonnyboy]

When I see Confederate traitor flags and t shirts saying six million weren't enough it's not a stretch to call them white supremacists and racists.

Not a stretch at all, a certifiable fact. The worst parts of humanity don’t necessarily represent the whole of the lot though. Not all BLM protesters are Antifas with bricks either. You wouldn’t catch me rioting and carrying on in that way, it’s despicable regardless of what side you’re on. Too many people on both sides are just stuck in a gray area, hopeless and lost and desperate and getting lumped in with the worst a ‘side’ has to offer. This country is in an unfortunate state.

 

[donkiez]

Probably try to detain some Congress people or something crazy to that effect. All kinds of shit gets confiscated at a riot. Where are you going with this?

You seem to be writing this off as a bunch of good old boys who got out of control. Or a media misdirection narrative. But these actions are of someone who was trying to subvert members of the government to control their actions, right? I could list a bunch of examples but the zip tie cuffs seem to be the most egregious.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

I never rationalized any of this, you are just buying into the ‘us vs. them’ narrative and assigning me a placeholder. Nothing I posted suggests I support what happened, I just disagree with your assertion that it was some sort of covert white nationalist coup. People were rioting because they thought the election was stolen, not because they are a bunch of Jim Crow-era holdouts that've been waiting in the woodwork for 60 years. None of the reasoning supports the reaction. I just find it interesting how the hard-liners on both the left or right seem to flip flop on what is and isn’t acceptable behavior. This is all bullshit. There is no power in a skin color, it’s all about money and influence. When people on both sides realize this they will stop being tricked by the media into rioting and fighting their own neighbors while politicians and billionaires gain more power.

I’m not “assigning” you anything. In fact, I find you to be one of the more reasonable posters on this side of the forum, whether I always agree with you or not. I just struggle with your reluctance to acknowledge that the events of 1/6 are grounded in white resentment. That could not have been more obvious. And the refusal of ANY white person to acknowledge at least some level of white privilege is blindness (or recalcitrance) pure and simple.

Yeah, it’s tough for white people who have grown up in predominantly white areas to see and acknowledge it because they have had no close proximity to it and genuinely don’t understand what it is. I had a conversation with a friend last night, and when he started a ignorant racist rant I called him out on his white privilege. His response was that he was not privileged, that he had to work hard for everything and that because I came from a family whose financial circumstances were a step above his family’s, I was the one who had white privilege. My point being here is that he had NO clue as to what white privilege meant and was not the least bit interested in learning. There IS power in skin color and we saw it on full display on Wednesday. To deny it is to misunderstand it. Yes, life is about money and influence. And in America that money and influence has a color; virtually pure white. And to finish my screed off......Wednesday’s rioters were tricked into the believing the election was stolen and encouraged to riot by the President of the United States, NOT the media. It’s not the (unless it’s the right wing) media’s fault that a large chunk of America refuses to believe cold, hard (and definitively proven) facts that the election was legitimate. Basically, they are being misguided by their own self interest more than anything else (how very human). The media deserves a huge heaping of responsibility for what has happened, but they need to get in line behind the president and his political enablers. The blame starts at the top. This is what happens when we put ignorant and emotionally stunted children in positions of power.

 

[Minstrel]

There is no power in a skin color, it’s all about money and influence. When people on both sides realize this they will stop being tricked by the media into rioting and fighting their own neighbors while politicians and billionaires gain more power.

The Republicans seem to have done a fine job of tricking you into believing that racism no longer exists. It's remarkable how sheltered you have to be to actually buy that.

 

[Propagandist]

Not a stretch at all, a certifiable fact. The worst parts of humanity don’t necessarily represent the whole of the lot though. Not all BLM protesters are Antifas with bricks either. You wouldn’t catch me rioting and carrying on in that way, it’s despicable regardless of what side you’re on. Too many people on both sides are just stuck in a gray area, hopeless and lost and desperate and getting lumped in with the worst a ‘side’ has to offer. This country is in an unfortunate state.

These cowardly, fence-riding takes are truly harmful. If you can't recognize the difference between the raid on the Capitol Building and people protesting police brutality, then do some research or something, but spare the world the toxic, downplaying, apologist angle already, because it's a big part of the problem.

 

[donkiez]

Not all BLM protesters are Antifas with bricks either

The only people who confuse ANTIFA and BLM are people who want to confuse them. They are very different groups, made up of different people, and have different agendas.

 

[crandc]

Fuck this both siderism. I have been to thousands of demonstrations and rallies for a variety of causes. Sometimes participants carried signs with which I disagreed, but I never saw Confederate flags, swastikas, or praise of Holocaust. Ever.

Except sometimes from counter- protesters.

 

[riverman]

I never rationalized any of this, you are just buying into the ‘us vs. them’ narrative and assigning me a placeholder. Nothing I posted suggests I support what happened, I just disagree with your assertion that it was some sort of covert white nationalist coup. People were rioting because they thought the election was stolen, not because they are a bunch of Jim Crow-era holdouts that've been waiting in the woodwork for 60 years. None of the reasoning supports the reaction. I just find it interesting how the hard-liners on both the left or right seem to flip flop on what is and isn’t acceptable behavior. This is all bullshit. There is no power in a skin color, it’s all about money and influence. When people on both sides realize this they will stop being tricked by the media into rioting and fighting their own neighbors while politicians and billionaires gain more power.

Beating a Capitol policeman to death with a fire hydrant and building a scaffold with a hangiman's noose while a crowd is shouting "Hang Pence" and while pipe bombs and zip ties are carried throughout the building.....give me a break...this was not some....we're protesting the vote...this was insurrection...you're a vet like me johhnyboy...you should know the difference

 

[noknobs]

I never rationalized any of this, you are just buying into the ‘us vs. them’ narrative and assigning me a placeholder. Nothing I posted suggests I support what happened, I just disagree with your assertion that it was some sort of covert white nationalist coup. People were rioting because they thought the election was stolen, not because they are a bunch of Jim Crow-era holdouts that've been waiting in the woodwork for 60 years. None of the reasoning supports the reaction. I just find it interesting how the hard-liners on both the left or right seem to flip flop on what is and isn’t acceptable behavior. This is all bullshit. There is no power in a skin color, it’s all about money and influence. When people on both sides realize this they will stop being tricked by the media into rioting and fighting their own neighbors while politicians and billionaires gain more power.

Predictable, but pure bullshit. I'm all for seeing both sides of something and keeping an open mind, that's why I've always been an independent. But there is only one side that is not in touch with reality right now regarding the election. Only one side that attempted an insurrection at the U.S. capital. Only one side that carried confederate flags into the capital building, hung nooses, flaunted white supremacist symbols and white power hand signals, who wore shirts that said, "Camp Auschwitz" and "6MWE", who flew the Kekistan flag and swastika flags, and who belong to groups like QAnon, the proud boys and other fascist/racist organizations. These were not isolated incidents either.

I get not everyone who breached the capital was racist, no shit. But enough of them were that we should call it what it is. And they all seem to be on one side and emboldened by their own president.

There were looters who took advantage of BLM protests and looted stores like CVS and Rite Aid or engaged in isolated instances of violence. If you want to equate that to thousands looting the U.S. capital building, chanting things like "Hang Mike Pence" and actively looking for members of congress in order to either hurt them, somehow have them overturn an election, and keep them from doing their constitutional duty, then you're simply a moron.

 

[Lanny]

Wow. It is unbelievably sad how easy it is. Dance Puppets, dance as they pull you're strings. You all are being used and played for fools. The media and government is doing exactly what they want because the blind and ignorant people(from ALL SIDES)are doing the hard work for them. Furthering the divide and expanding tribalism. If the vast majority of people don't wake the fuck up and see what they are doing they will get exactly what they want; A Race War.

#fuckpolitics!

Are you serious?

 

[Lanny]

I'm not going to assume something that wouldn't happen. Those MAGA idiots would not have tried to break through if the same National Guard presence was there like it was for the BLM marches. That is what the problem was.

Of course they would have solved the problem early on but do you know why they were prevented from getting there? Yes, it was the newly appointed by Trump leadership in the Pentagon. I suspect the same asshole had something to do with the woefully thin presence of the Capitol Police.

 

[jonnyboy]

The Republicans seem to have done a fine job of tricking you into believing that racism no longer exists. It's remarkable how sheltered you have to be to actually buy that.

Never said that. Horrible neglect of context here. Not even worth a discussion if your initial premise is a straw man.

 

[jonnyboy]

These cowardly, fence-riding takes are truly harmful. If you can't recognize the difference between the raid on the Capitol Building and people protesting police brutality, then do some research or something, but spare the world the toxic, downplaying, apologist angle already, because it's a big part of the problem.

Just stop. Recognizing the problems coming from both sides is not harmful, your black and white, left and right takes are. Use all the scary language you want to shame those in the middle ground into coming to your side but just know it’s bullshit. You are doing everything you accused me of in the very same post.

 

[jonnyboy]

Beating a Capitol policeman to death with a fire hydrant and building a scaffold with a hangiman's noose while a crowd is shouting "Hang Pence" and while pipe bombs and zip ties are carried throughout the building.....give me a break...this was not some....we're protesting the vote...this was insurrection...you're a vet like me johhnyboy...you should know the difference

I’m actually not a veteran, but I do appreciate your service, just be clear. I don’t want to take any accolades I didn’t earn or misrepresent myself to others here.

 

[Lanny]

Just stop. Recognizing the problems coming from both sides is not harmful, your black and white, left and right takes are. Use all the scary language you want to shame those in the middle ground into coming to your side but just know it’s bullshit. You are doing everything you accused me of in the very same post.

The difference in wrongs between the Left and the Right is overwhelming.

 

[Propagandist]

Just stop. Recognizing the problems coming from both sides is not harmful, your black and white, left and right takes are. Use all the scary language you want to shame those in the middle ground into coming to your side but just know it’s bullshit. You are doing everything you accused me of in the very same post.

Nope. Both-side-ism is one of the problems. Downplaying is one of the problems. Pretending to be "middle ground" is one of the problems. They beat a policeman to death. As a mob, rained down on him. There were gallows, zipties, pipe bombs. No one in the "middle ground" acts like this is a both sides thing

 

[Minstrel]

Never said that. Horrible neglect of context here. Not even worth a discussion if your initial premise is a straw man.

You said it explicitly, I didn't change the context at all. Saying skin color has no power means that nobody is at an advantage or disadvantage due to skin color. Naming other power imbalance factors in no way changes the meaning of that. Maybe learn the meanings of your own words.

I get why you'd want to bail on the discussion, though, while pretending it's my fault. That's a really, deeply embarrassing thing you said and you're not the type to grow or learn or just say, "You're right, my bad."

 

[e_blazer]

Nope. Both-side-ism is one of the problems. Downplaying is one of the problems. Pretending to be "middle ground" is one of the problems. They beat a policeman to death. As a mob, rained down on him. There were gallows, zipties, pipe bombs. No one in the "middle ground" acts like this is a both sides thing

True. This is a hunt them down, arrest their asses, try them, convict them and throw them in prison thing.

 

[wizenheimer]

If you want to equate that to thousands looting the U.S. capital building, chanting things like "Hang Mike Pence" and actively looking for members of congress in order to either hurt them, somehow have them overturn an election, and keep them from doing their constitutional duty, then you're simply a moron.

I would suggest that aggressively is a better adjective for moron when talking about the maga movement