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jonnyboy said:
I’m actually not a veteran, but I do appreciate your service, just be clear. I don’t want to take any accolades I didn’t earn or misrepresent myself to others here.
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my mistake...I thought you were...must have been another poster but thank you for aooreciating vets.
 
Minstrel said:
You said it explicitly
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No, I didn’t “explicitly” say racism doesn’t exist. You clearly don’t know the meaning of “explicit.” It doesn’t mean haphazardly patching together someone’s statements to try and make them match your predetermined conclusion. Sorry Freud, ‘my bad’...for not yielding to your incorrect interpretations and bad takes. Next time I need someone to tell me what I’m thinking I’ll be sure to let you know.
 
A dozen Capitol policemen are under investigation for aiding and abetting the coup.....there were cops, military professionals, legislaters and policemen joining forces with the rioters...this was a coup...then you have asshats like Gaetz trying to shift blame to antifa...which he should be removed from office for doing as well
 
Outrage by Nunes and others over lost twitter followers....twitter answers....we removed 70000 nazi's and Q'Anon conspiracy accts...many were accounts generated by one person with multiple accounts...those are followers I wouldn't brag about or miss
 
jonnyboy said:
No, I didn’t “explicitly” say racism doesn’t exist. You clearly don’t know the meaning of “explicit.” It doesn’t mean haphazardly patching together someone’s statements to try and make them match your predetermined conclusion. Sorry Freud, ‘my bad’...for not yielding to your incorrect interpretations and bad takes. Next time I need someone to tell me what I’m thinking I’ll be sure to let you know.
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Racism is the "power of skin color" to affect outcomes. Saying that skin color has no power is explicitly saying racism doesn't exist. Keep trying (badly) to argue semantics, because you definitely don't want to have to explain your claim that racism no longer exists--as we established, that's a deeply embarrassing statement you made.
 
Minstrel said:
Racism is the "power of skin color" to affect outcomes. Saying that skin color has no power is explicitly saying racism doesn't exist. Keep trying (badly) to argue semantics, because you definitely don't want to have to explain your claim that racism no longer exists--as we established, that's a deeply embarrassing statement you made.
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You know I didn’t say that, but you continue to defend your dubious claim. This is how you and other radical thinkers justify your extreme opinions, you just start with an insanely exaggerated conclusion then work backwards hoping to connect a couple dots and convolute it enough to irk out a mottled win. It’s trash and you know it.
 
Well if this means this, then this could mean that. Some people who think that think this, so you’re probably one of those definitely.
 
jonnyboy said:
You know I didn’t say that
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That's exactly what you said. You said "there is no power in skin color." Those are literally your words, and saying that skin color has no power means there's no racism, because IF skin color has no power, no one derives advantage or disadvantage from skin color.

You can't rationally defend that, so you aren't trying. You're just desperately continuing to claim you didn't say that.
 
jonnyboy said:
This is how you and other radical thinkers justify your extreme opinions, you just start with an insanely exaggerated conclusion then work backwards hoping to connect a couple dots and convolute it enough to irk out a mottled win. It’s trash and you know it.
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After all the election fraud conspiracies, the idea that someone on the right would post this is absolutely hilarious.
 
noknobs said:
After all the election fraud conspiracies, the idea that someone on the right would post this is absolutely hilarious.
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The Russian interference election fraud conspiracies? Are those the ones you’re talking about?
 
Orion Bailey said:
So is it then impossible for some to THINK they have power when they are of a certain color, but in reality they dont, its just their bigotted racism that makes them think they do?

Which could be taken as there is racism, but it isn't derived from the power of skin, but simply from a screwed up mind?

Seems to me there an be both. There can be racism because a person feels/thinks/believes a certain way. That doesn't, in turn, automatically empower that individuals skin to be more than another. Unless you are saying anyone who is racist has more power?

Just because a person THINKS their skin has more power, doesn't mean it actually does, but the mere thinking it does, is racist.
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I'm not talking about whether people think they have more power or not. Unless you believe racism is gone, skin color does affect outcomes which means it has power. Claiming skin color has no power is the same as saying racism has been eliminated. The only time skin color has no "power" is when there is no racism.
 
jonnyboy said:
The Russian interference election fraud conspiracies? Are those the ones you’re talking about?
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...nah, he is actually referring to the one with zero evidence of "stolen election" fraud. It's already been proven that Russia interfered with the 2016 election. The amount of projection here is astounding, but not surprising. Ok guys, carry on.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Isn't racism a way a person thinks? How can they be a separate entity? And if they are not, and racism IS what a person thinks, then someone can be be racist without having skin power, can they not?

Racism is a state of mind. Skin is a physical entity. Not sure how you are claiming one in the same? If someone thinks they are better than another because of their skin color, that is simply his thought, but that racism exists because he thinks it. Not because his skin holds more power.

I do not see how that equates to skin having power, just because said racist THINKS it does?
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If black people are more likely to be shot by police for doing things that white people get a warning for, that's the power of skin color. If black people are more likely to be charged more for rent than a white person would, that's the power of skin color. If black applicants with similar qualifications are less likely to be hired than white applicants, that's the power of skin color

So, no, it doesn't matter whether a person believes their skin color confers power or not. If black people (or Latino people or other racial minorities) face differing outcomes on average than white people, skin color has power.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Im saying you can make the world 100% equal, but if someone even THiNKS they are better because of their skin, then racism exists even when skin color power does not.
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What men and women feel in their hearts is interesting and all, but is intrinsically unknowable and not really the best measure of racism in the world. What matters is really expressed racism and how it affects outcomes. A world that truly was equal in terms of opportunity and how people are treated (not that I ever expect that to happen) is a world of no expressed racism. Maybe 50% of the population would still secretly be racist while never acting upon it--maybe 100% would. There would be no way to know and therefore it really wouldn't be relevant.

As long as outcomes are different for different groups of people due to the lightness or darkness of their skin, skin color obviously has power.
 
World leaders are publicly aghast in unison that America has suddenly been shown to be pussywhipped by a Nerd Squad and allowed Big Tech to roll right over The Constitution and claim outright ownership of 330,000,000 Human Beings.
 
MARIS61 said:
World leaders are publicly aghast in unison that America has suddenly been shown to be pussywhipped by a Nerd Squad and allowed Big Tech to roll right over The Constitution and claim outright ownership of 330,000,000 Human Beings.
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How was Washington DC? Did you get any interesting souvenirs from the capitol?
 
Orion Bailey said:
But if we don't stop racism from grabbing on like a plague of the conscious mind, then we will never have a world where skin color doesn't matter?
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It's likely we will never live in a world where skin color doesn't matter, unfortunately.

History has proven thus far that as long as people are able to hate or think less of another, purely based on their skin color or ethnicity, that it will be acted out upon in one way or another. Through blatant slavery or political manipulation.

So how can this fight against racism ever be won, while still maintaining a sense of freedom of thought?
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To me, the best antidote to irrational hatred (stemming from prejudice) is education and living around diversity. We can't force either thing on people, but we can make educational opportunity more attainable for people who currently don't have the money. Meanwhile, the amount of isolated, homogeneous communities are shrinking. More communities diversify over time. It's unlikely we'll reach a point where every city and town in America matches the national demographics, but the closer we get over time, the less "othering" will occur of racial minorities (and LGBTQ+ minorities, for that matter).

This, IMO, is why younger generations tend to be less prone to prejudice--because each new generation has increased educational attainment and grows up in a more diverse environment (on average, not in every case) than their parents or grandparents did.
 
MARIS61 said:
World leaders are publicly aghast in unison that America has suddenly been shown to be pussywhipped by a Nerd Squad and allowed Big Tech to roll right over The Constitution and claim outright ownership of 330,000,000 Human Beings.
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Except they're not
 
MARIS61 said:
World leaders are publicly aghast in unison that America has suddenly been shown to be pussywhipped by a Nerd Squad and allowed Big Tech to roll right over The Constitution and claim outright ownership of 330,000,000 Human Beings.
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Now this was truly funny! Welcome back! Don't worry about losing Parler....you're safer not posting there anyway....
 
Orion Bailey said:
How much money are you willing to spend on that multiracial education aimed at eliminating racism?
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I wasn't talking about "diversity education." Normal university education is what I meant. It serves two purposes when it comes to addressing prejudice--1. it broadens the knowledge base and provides more perspectives than their lived experiences growing up and 2. it puts them on a college campus with a lot of different types of people, enlarging their own lived experience.

It doesn't automatically make people non-racist, but there is nothing that does that. It's simply one of the better mitigators of prejudice--it helps open the mind to be exposed to, and live with, the kinds of people who didn't live in your neighborhood and also to be exposed to new thoughts and ideas that may have never come up around the dinner table or at the local high school. Plus, of course, education is important for many other things, so investment in higher education for more people helps society in many ways, not just as an anti-prejudice measure.
 
riverman said:
A dozen Capitol policemen are under investigation for aiding and abetting the coup.....there were cops, military professionals, legislaters and policemen joining forces with the rioters...this was a coup...then you have asshats like Gaetz trying to shift blame to antifa...which he should be removed from office for doing as well
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I believe the number under investigation is actually 15.
 
Orion Bailey said:
I'm just not sure how more normal education is going to help anymore than we already have? Of course everyone could use more education, but is it going to help minimize racial tendancies any more than the education currently available? I have my doubts.

Now cultural diversity, I 100% agree with, but also torn. Because although I believe to truly understand other people, we must live within their environment and lifestyle. However when cultures intermix, it seems to then suppress the culture to a degree.
Clothes, fads, traditions, become mixed and thus loses a bit of the culture they once had.

So how do we mix cultures for educational purposes without also losing some of it due to the infiltration of another culture aimed at learning more of the first culture? It seems in order for cultures to maintain their individualism, they need communities that cater to such culture without interference from outside cultures.



I want to go back to the education again. I'm not sure I agree with your number 1. Sure it broadens knowledge, but there are many well educated racist people out there. Is it possible that our educational system(universities) may have an aid in this?

We have black colleges and white colleges and black frats and white frats, etc.

I'm not so sure college education will help towards taming racism. In fact, I think it helps cement the thoughts of those who enter college with a bigoted viewpoint. Many colleges are still very segratory.
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College students for the most part have inquisitive minds. Inquisitive minds tend to be progressive and not racist. Sometimes it takes time to get there.
 
The military introduced this Irish american dairy farmer from Iowa to diversity....started with going to bootcamp and then on to the Naval Training Center....made my first real close black friend in school there...we played music together and when we got back from the war he bought a van and rode home to Chicago...I hitched a ride to Iowa and he had dinner at my family's table...nobody in my family had ever eaten or spent time with a black person nor had one been in our home until that day...it was an education for them all.....there are many schools that do broaden our vistas and open our minds.
 
Orion Bailey said:
so you are going to leave her post up calling me out as a roundabout racist? There what labeling a both sider is around here.

but your gonna delete my post doing the same thing back?

Do you realize she chased tortured away with this behavior?

How do you justify liking and leaving her post up calling me out but, deleting mine calling her out back?

I mean just wow.......

you wont have to delete five of my posts if you actually just addressed the innitial instigation....

Top notch modding right there...
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Calm. The. Fuck. Down.

I'm just trying to stop the arguments and insults.

I just skimmed all those posts.

I have never ever ever heard the term both sider and that it was a personal insult. If you read her post I didn't know it was an insult to you.

So both sider means racist? Link?
 
Orion Bailey said:
So how does it feel to back up and support a bigot who chases mods away with insults?
To support someone who cant be mature enough to address a person directly but makes snide label comments?

does that help the pride?

do you feel you've done a great job? Do you feel you are helping to stem hatred and insulting comments?
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So this post from LAST Saturday is causing you to have a meltdown today?


crandc said:
Fuck this both siderism. I have been to thousands of demonstrations and rallies for a variety of causes. Sometimes participants carried signs with which I disagreed, but I never saw Confederate flags, swastikas, or praise of Holocaust. Ever.

Except sometimes from counter- protesters.
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