Worst play in our arsenal

[BonesJones]

Mason Plumlee was an exceptional passer when he was in Stotts system...it's a skill.....Andre Miller was the last great passing pt guard I can remember..Dame and CJ have improved but still aren't elite passers....Dame is closer...Nurk could be..he has moments...Meyers actually passes well as does Pat...just no Rubio or Steve Nash on the team so far....Rondo is an amazing passer...so are Westbrook and Curry

Curry is an amazing passer? He's no better than Dame..

 

[stampedehero]

We have a rule in our offense for our youth teams. No matter what offense we're in, if the defense goes into deny or overplays, back cut them to death.

aka....old Pete Carrill-- Princeton?

 

[stampedehero]

Curry is an amazing passer? He's no better than Dame..

Also. I was surprised to see Harden pin point his passing skills (as long as he can stick his elbow into an opponents chest) or fake fall.

 

[kjironman1]

Uh, no. The play I’m talking about is not a quick hitter. You can see it coming from a mile away.

It's a half court set. Exactly what kind of "Quick Hitter" are you looking for?

 

[dviss1]

Wrong. I’m talking about the play where Lillard or McCollum stands at the top of the key and throws the ball just over the heads of the defenders to a moving player. I’ve seen that pass intercepted several times this year. You can have a great passing offense and never throw that particular pass.

Several means 3. So out of the thousands of times we've ran the play, you've seen several turnovers. You've actually just made a case FOR the efficiency of that play.

 

[dviss1]

You're wrong. It's a great play.

/thread

 

[illmatic99]

The problem with it is we run it way too much. It can be an effective tool, but should be mixed in with a variety of other looks. We basically have:

• The Flare (basic)
  
• The P/R (basic)
  
• The Drive/Kick, or don't (basic)

Sprinkle in a bunch of ISO, and a handful of post-ups, and that's our offense.

Basketball is a pretty simple game. I hate to back Terry because I think he's growing stale, but there's no need to have all these complicated plays that are impossible to execute. What matters more is that the talent on the floor can actually execute and make smart decisions-- I don't think we necessarily have that.

Terry let Evan Turner make crucial decisions too often in game 1. ET for some reason has this reputation as a high IQ player, I just don't get why.

 

[blue9]

Basketball is a pretty simple game. I hate to back Terry because I think he's growing stale, but there's no need to have all these complicated plays that are impossible to execute. What matters more is that the talent on the floor can actually execute and make smart decisions-- I don't think we necessarily have that.

Terry let Evan Turner make crucial decisions too often in game 1. ET for some reason has this reputation as a high IQ player, I just don't get why.

It doesn't need to be overly complicated, but the moment a play starts we all know what the intention is. I merely posit that we should have some secondary action to make the defense guess as to where the ball is going. Players who aren't involved with the primary action - at best - lazily shift their positions. Rather than standing still (or maybe jogging to the weak side) when CJ is running off the flare screen, the other two players who aren't Dame/CJ/Screen could set a screen for a hard cut as a secondary option. But all too often everyone stands and ball-watches.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

The worst play in our arsenal is the Napier special, where he drives under rim, pops back out without passing and ISOs into a 18 foot contested jumper.

 

[riverman]

Curry is an amazing passer? He's no better than Dame..

His lobs and passes in the paint are awesome...he finds cutters and has zip on his pass but hey....I'm not going to debate it...it's what I see him do on the court..he is a big reason his teammates put up big numbers...he also turns the ball over...so did Nash...most guards threading the needle are going to have some turn overs

 

[dviss1]

Rather than standing still (or maybe jogging to the weak side) when CJ is running off the flare screen, the other two players who aren't Dame/CJ/Screen could set a screen for a hard cut as a secondary option. But all too often everyone stands and ball-watches.

Watch those plays again. This time, look away from the ball.

 

[blue9]

Watch those plays again. This time, look away from the ball.

I'm not gonna take the time to watch this whole thing, but the first 5 show exactly what I describe - the two who aren't involved are playing at walking speed. In those examples it's largely Dame and the Center - Dame slowly jogs along the baseline, and the C doesn't do much of anything.

 

[dviss1]

I'm not gonna take the time to watch this whole thing, but the first 5 show exactly what I describe - the two who aren't involved are playing at walking speed. In those examples it's largely Dame and the Center - Dame slowly jogs along the baseline, and the C doesn't do much of anything.

Dame is a decoy on those plays that you're complaining about. In all of which we got great looks at the basket...

This is some uninformed nitpicking IMO.

 

[blue9]

Dame is a decoy on those plays that you're complaining about. In all of which we got great looks at the basket...

This is some uninformed nitpicking IMO.

Uninformed. Okay. Said the guy who said we do run secondary action.
Dame trotting the baseline isn't much of a decoy. If he passed, and cut baseline hard while the flare unfolds THEN he might be a viable decoy...or even a viable scoring option!
Good looks or not, would it not be better to have secondary action?

 

[dviss1]

Uninformed. Okay. Said the guy who said we do run secondary action.
Dame trotting the baseline isn't much of a decoy. If he passed, and cut baseline hard while the flare unfolds THEN he might be a viable decoy...or even a viable scoring option!
Good looks or not, would it not be better to have secondary action?

We do run secondary action. What would happen if the flare wasn't open? The ball would swing and Dame would have an open 3 off the screen from the block or a 1 on 1. What you're attempting to point out is something that didn't even need to develop since the original flare screen is wide open.

Cats are looking to take shots at Stotts but don't even sound like they know what they're talking about.

 

[BonesJones]

We do run secondary action. What would happen if the flare wasn't open? The ball would swing and Dame would have an open 3 off the screen from the block or a 1 on 1. What you're attempting to point out is something that didn't even need to develop since the original flare screen is wide open.

Cats are looking to take shots at Stotts but don't even sound like they know what they're talking about.

As someone who gives Stotts a lot of flack, I agree. It's comical.

 

[BonesJones]

Uninformed. Okay. Said the guy who said we do run secondary action.
Dame trotting the baseline isn't much of a decoy. If he passed, and cut baseline hard while the flare unfolds THEN he might be a viable decoy...or even a viable scoring option!
Good looks or not, would it not be better to have secondary action?

Dame doesn't cut hard so that he'll be in position to have a running start into the pin down, and it also lulls the defender to sleep. You're suggesting Dame cut hard (where there's no passing angle and where it won't accomplish anything, then stop under the rim and stand still for a second, then come off the pin down?

But you'd get mad at him for standing still. Plays have timing thatsnharf to master and even the little things are for a reason.

 

[blue9]

We do run secondary action. What would happen if the flare wasn't open? The ball would swing and Dame would have an open 3 off the screen from the block or a 1 on 1. What you're attempting to point out is something that didn't even need to develop since the original flare screen is wide open.

Cats are looking to take shots at Stotts but don't even sound like they know what they're talking about.

I suppose we have different ideas of secondary action - I'm talking about something that runs concurrently, rather than afterwards. It's a timing thing that would create two simultaneous passing options, rather than one and then another if the first doesn't pan out.

 

[blue9]

Dame doesn't cut hard so that he'll be in position to have a running start into the pin down, and it also lulls the defender to sleep. You're suggesting Dame cut hard (where there's no passing angle and where it won't accomplish anything, then stop under the rim and stand still for a second, then come off the pin down?

But you'd get mad at him for standing still. Plays have timing thatsnharf to master and even the little things are for a reason.

He shouldn't have to stop at all - he needs to pick up the pace in order to come off a screen at the same time CJ is hitting his spot.

 

[BonesJones]

He shouldn't have to stop at all - he needs to pick up the pace in order to come off a screen at the same time CJ is hitting his spot.

Haha... you don't want him coming off at the same exact time as CJ. That's two opposite spots of the floor, and it's smart to take a dribble towards Dame to optimize the angle of the pass. (Which is available if the options are progressive instead of simultaneous)

By the time the passer makes the read of CJ not being open enough to receive the pass, then Dame would already be too far out of the pin down and would be guarded. You want a progression, not options on two completely different sides of the court having a split second window of openness at the same exact time.

Plus, the flare draws every defenders attention to that side of the floor, and when combined when Dame jogging baseline as if he's a non-threat, that helps get Dame open on the opposite side of the floor than the flare.

 

[dviss1]

He shouldn't have to stop at all - he needs to pick up the pace in order to come off a screen at the same time CJ is hitting his spot.

This is completely wrong.