Worst Season Ever?

[PapaG]

To clarify my thoughts on Hickson, either he has just suddenly exploded into a 20 PER player and is goingto play at that level for years, or he's getting nice numbers on a team with little coaching that is losing games. Plus, he's in a contract push.

I'd just be very leery of giving Hickson a lot of money. Nothing in his past says he's going to play at this level on a winning team.

 

[Natebishop3]

4. That Whole Nuggets Trade
Yes, Rudy got injured. But didn't that Andre-and-Rudy-and-Faried for Nolan and Felton trade suck? And not even in retrospect - everyone hated it from the beginning. I'm still vainly insisting that Faried isn't all that, but it's getting harder and harder to do.

Not to be a nit-picking asshole, but Rudy was actually dealt to the Mavs. I don't remember what they dealt him to the Nuggets for. I agree though, that trade and the firing of Cho cemented my opinion that the front office was/is completely clueless.

 

[RR7]

hindsight on the felton-Miller swap makes it look horrible. I've still seen nothing concrete to say we HAD to pass on Faried, so don't know why that should be included as part of the swap. Maybe I missed it, though.

But using a late 1st(Rudy) to move from a 35 year old PG on the tail end of his career, when we were all able to admit we were not likely a title contender, to a 27 year old, just hitting his prime, and potentially able to join our core as it aged is a decent move. It failed because Felton was so out of shape. But the risk in the trade makes a ton of sense to me. I wasn't a huge fan of the deal, but wasn't super against it either. I just think it's a risk worth taking at the position we were at. Felton came in out of shape, and then clashed with Nate as well. And killed our season.
Since the AS break, he has averaged 13 and 7 and has shot 38% from 3. Similar to what Miller did for us last year, plus 28% extra from 3. 8 years younger, and a chance to grow with our core.

I don't want to defend Felton too much, he's gone, good riddance, etc. It's his fault for coming in so out of shape. But the deal as made, IMO, wasn't a terrible deal, it was made with the right intention. I can't think of a player similar to Felton at C, but if that same deal had been around for Camby, old C and Rudy(or other throw away) for C entering their prime, I'd do that one as well, and I can see why management did.

And I know the complaint will be made about Felton, was looking at 82 games.com yesterday, found it interesting that Felton in clutch situations(5 point game, 5 minutes or less, 4th or OT) averages 3.3 TOs per 48 min. 9.2 assists. Nash is at 10.3/8.1 A/TO.

 

[PapaG]

hindsight on the felton-Miller swap makes it look horrible. I've still seen nothing concrete to say we HAD to pass on Faried, so don't know why that should be included as part of the swap. Maybe I missed it, though.

But using a late 1st(Rudy) to move from a 35 year old PG on the tail end of his career, when we were all able to admit we were not likely a title contender, to a 27 year old, just hitting his prime, and potentially able to join our core as it aged is a decent move. It failed because Felton was so out of shape. But the risk in the trade makes a ton of sense to me. I wasn't a huge fan of the deal, but wasn't super against it either. I just think it's a risk worth taking at the position we were at. Felton came in out of shape, and then clashed with Nate as well. And killed our season.
Since the AS break, he has averaged 13 and 7 and has shot 38% from 3. Similar to what Miller did for us last year, plus 28% extra from 3. 8 years younger, and a chance to grow with our core.

I don't want to defend Felton too much, he's gone, good riddance, etc. It's his fault for coming in so out of shape. But the deal as made, IMO, wasn't a terrible deal, it was made with the right intention. I can't think of a player similar to Felton at C, but if that same deal had been around for Camby, old C and Rudy(or other throw away) for C entering their prime, I'd do that one as well, and I can see why management did.

And I know the complaint will be made about Felton, was looking at 82 games.com yesterday, found it interesting that Felton in clutch situations(5 point game, 5 minutes or less, 4th or OT) averages 3.3 TOs per 48 min. 9.2 assists. Nash is at 10.3/8.1 A/TO.

I'm not sure, considering all that has happened this season, that it was even a bad trade. Maybe the Blazers would have won a few more games with Miller, but still, the grind it out offense was boring, and at least Felton did bring some tempo to watch this year. Now, Nate's gone, which makes most people happy, and there are some draft picks and cap space to look forward to this summer.

I'd just like to know who exactly is in charge of making the decisions on the draft and in FA more than anything else. Unless that is settled, it's tough to invest fully in this team, at least in terms of expectations.

 

[Sinobas]

The only entertaining thing about Blazer games anymore is watching Luke Babbit shoot those 30 foot 3 pointers. So I guess in a way, that means Luke Babbit is my favorite player. Oh how we've fallen.....

 

[maxiep]

I've been a Blazer fan since I've known what a basketball was, and this has been the least interested I've ever been in the team.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

I've been a Blazer fan since I've known what a basketball was, and this has been the least interested I've ever been in the team.

I think we had the perfect storm this season.

To start, the lockout took its toll. The owners were greedy to stuff 66 games in 80 days. Really hurt teams that were used to playing the regular schedule. Flat out killed most teams road record.

Then we lost Roy, Oden was hurt again and the guys we picked up were not in shape.

Started off as a run and gun team, but Nate just couldent let that go with all the turn overs.


Nate pulls in the reins and the team rebels, he is out of favor and the team will not play for him. Nate gets fired.

Had things been different, a regular schedule, training camp, roles defined before the season started, this would have been a much more enjoyable season.

With all that stated, I for one was ready to pass on the whole season rather that watch the disaster that transpired.

 

[e_blazer]

I think in the long run this will be looked upon as one of the most valuable Blazers seasons ever:

- Got the team past the Roy-Oden era.
- Dumped a couple of aging players (Camby & Wallace [a lot of miles on him if not that old]) who didn't fit with a future of building to compete a few years down the road.
- Turned the page on McMillan and, hopefully, his slow-paced game.
- Got a pick from NJ that, again hopefully, will give the Blazers a lottery pick in a deep draft.
- Suffered through a bunch of losses in close games that ended up pushing the Blazers out of the playoffs (and probably another first round exit) thereby earning another lottery pick.
- Picked up Hickson for next to nothing and put him in a position to showcase what he can do for the team in the future.
- Got some PT for bench guys to see who has a future with the team.
- Put the team in a position to have plenty of cap space to use this summer.

Now, get a good GM under contract to help make the necessary decisions and moves going forward and hire a good coach to make a new push and this team could get back into relevancy real quick. Not a bad return for one short, crappy season.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I think in the long run this will be looked upon as one of the most valuable Blazers seasons ever:

- Got the team past the Roy-Oden era.
- Dumped a couple of aging players (Camby & Wallace [a lot of miles on him if not that old]) who didn't fit with a future of building to compete a few years down the road.
- Turned the page on McMillan and, hopefully, his slow-paced game.
- Got a pick from NJ that, again hopefully, will give the Blazers a lottery pick in a deep draft.
- Suffered through a bunch of losses in close games that ended up pushing the Blazers out of the playoffs (and probably another first round exit) thereby earning another lottery pick.
- Picked up Hickson for next to nothing and put him in a position to showcase what he can do for the team in the future.
- Got some PT for bench guys to see who has a future with the team.
- Put the team in a position to have plenty of cap space to use this summer.

Now, get a good GM under contract to help make the necessary decisions and moves going forward and hire a good coach to make a new push and this team could get back into relevancy real quick. Not a bad return for one short, crappy season.

Every. Damn. Word ...

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I think in the long run this will be looked upon as one of the most valuable Blazers seasons ever:

- Got the team past the Roy-Oden era.
- Dumped a couple of aging players (Camby & Wallace [a lot of miles on him if not that old]) who didn't fit with a future of building to compete a few years down the road.
- Turned the page on McMillan and, hopefully, his slow-paced game.
- Got a pick from NJ that, again hopefully, will give the Blazers a lottery pick in a deep draft.
- Suffered through a bunch of losses in close games that ended up pushing the Blazers out of the playoffs (and probably another first round exit) thereby earning another lottery pick.
- Picked up Hickson for next to nothing and put him in a position to showcase what he can do for the team in the future.
- Got some PT for bench guys to see who has a future with the team.
- Put the team in a position to have plenty of cap space to use this summer.

Now, get a good GM under contract to help make the necessary decisions and moves going forward and hire a good coach to make a new push and this team could get back into relevancy real quick. Not a bad return for one short, crappy season.

Usually I am optimistic about the Blazers and right there on most of your thoughts, but being bitter about the Blazers I'm going to disagree that this year was the most valuable year ever

1. getting past the Roy-Oden era is not good unless there is another era following. I think it is depressing and bad for the Blazers that this year we learned Roy had to retire. It's like when we traded Sheed or Drexler or whoever is deemed to be worthy of an era. Not good to stop an era as it may mean team sucks for a while. Don't think Roy retiring can be spun any other way but bad news for the Blazers. Don't even know where to begin with Oden, but again I think it is all bad

2. Camby could be dumped at end of season regardless of what happened this year. Wallace was traded for a draft pick which was bad for this year but could be good for future . . . but Blazers having a lottery pick or two is anything but a guarantee that good players will be acquired

3 This board wanted Nate gone so it is looked at as a good thing. We will see with the next coach and the Blazer record next year whether everyone was right about Nate. but the fact the players revolted and drove Nate out is not good in my mind.

4. Bunch of tough losses to get a lottery pick may pay off or may turn out to be a lot of losses for nothing in return. It also makes us a lottery team on the rebuild to any free agents.

5. Hickson was a good waiver wire pick up. Blazers can match, but Hickson is the one who benefited the most from the Blazers move. Let's see how much Hickson will cost this summer to decide if how good that waiver pick up was

6 Getting young players playing time showed what I expected. The players don't compare to proven players

7 Blazers had cap space this summer with or without the moves during the season

Now on to the negatives of the season: playoff streak done; only potential young player who had promise gets injured again and is out for the season . . . again, one wonders now if you can count on him in the future; Blazers realized this season they have no PGs for next season; the face of the Blazers retires (no trade for draft picks, no resurgence, Blazer loss an all star with nothing in return); Blazers waive their #1 pick and supposed franchise player when drafted.

Probably other things gone bad but I'm trying to block it out. Basically my pessimistic view is this was a disastrous season where everything went wrong and Blazers are now a solid lottery team looking to become a playoff team again.

Most valuable season ever vs. worst season Blazers have had in a long time . . . I don't think we are seeing eye to eye when it comes to the Blazers

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I was pretty "meh" about Hickson because of his recent history of being bounced around. But I was reminded by something I read that there was a trade for Amare Stoudemire that was nixed because the team didn't want to include Hickson. So at one point he showed promise. And he has certainly been a glimmer of light in the gloom of the season. I just don't know if he's actually good or if he's a Drew Gooden, can-put-up-numbers-on-crappy-teams type.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I think in the long run this will be looked upon as one of the most valuable Blazers seasons ever:

Isn't this a bit like saying that losing WWII was the best thing that ever happened to Japan? Maybe in the long run things rise from the ashes, but that doesn't make it actually good.

Besides, for a total purge, we need to have a new owner and training staff, too.

 

[e_blazer]

Isn't this a bit like saying that losing WWII was the best thing that ever happened to Japan? Maybe in the long run things rise from the ashes, but that doesn't make it actually good.

Besides, for a total purge, we need to have a new owner and training staff, too.

Your analogy is off. The Japanese entered WWII expecting that they could win or at least force the US into making some concessions. How many really thought that the Blazers were still a contender going into this season? The window on the Blazers contending for a title with Roy, Aldridge & Oden slammed shut when Ron Artest stepped on Roy's foot and tore his meniscus and Greg's knees fell apart. Given where the team sat prior to the start of the season, with Roy and Oden trying to rehab their ways into maybe playing some role for a few more years and the Blazers applying bandaids to that sinking ship with role player signings, getting past the Roy/Oden era is a good thing. The fact that the Blazers were able to pry a high lottery pick from the Nets for Gerald Wallace was amazing. They still have Aldridge to build around while having two lottery picks and cap space to spend this summer. IMO, we're going to look back on this season as a good thing simply for the prospects is provided.

As for the comment about the owner and training staff, I think that's message board hyperbole. I think PA is a good owner and I don't think our training staff has had much to do with Roy's and Oden's bad knees or other freaky injuries. But each to their own theories, I guess.

 

[Rhal]

I was pretty "meh" about Hickson because of his recent history of being bounced around. But I was reminded by something I read that there was a trade for Amare Stoudemire that was nixed because the team didn't want to include Hickson. So at one point he showed promise. And he has certainly been a glimmer of light in the gloom of the season. I just don't know if he's actually good or if he's a Drew Gooden, can-put-up-numbers-on-crappy-teams type.

steve kerr on the bs report a couple of months ago said the best offer they got was hickson so they were fine taking a shot at resigning or letting amare walk.

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