Politics Would abolishing the electoral college actually stimulate voting?

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barfo said:
Two geezers enter, one geezer leaves.
Two geezers enter, one geezer leaves!

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Saying it twice just means that there are two hearses.

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Natebishop3 said:
I was thinking about this... in the past I was in opposed to abolishing the EC because it felt like it marginalized the smaller states, which was the entire point of the EC in the first place. To prevent smaller states from becoming irrelevant. But at this point it seems like a much bigger issue is states that are completely blue or completely red.

Why vote at all if you know your vote means nothing? If you know that your state is going to go one way or the other, why even show up? I know for a fact that Oregon will go Biden. Not that I'm voting for Trump, but I'm not even a little concerned that this state will vote for the GOP candidate.

I'm sure there are people who live in red states that feel similarly apathetic about the process. So I wonder if we would actually see a larger turnout if people really thought their votes mattered? If at the end of the day it was about the popular vote and only the popular vote, how would that change how candidates approached campaigning?

It would be an interesting change in American politics. I also wonder if it would be the first step towards eliminating parties. Why would you need parties if it was only about who was the most popular candidate?
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This is an angle I haven't thought of when discussing the other day. Good points. I've never been for abolishing for the same reasons you mentioned, but I never tied the all Blue All red states thing together like that before.

This is a point valid enough for me to reconsider my stance on it. I do believe more people should vote, if anything just to get more involved and knowledgeable about the gov. process. I'm still not in favor of the masses being the end all to pick a leader(just look at Wheelers opponent who will get votes), but for me, I need to come to some sort of compromise because your point is good enough to make me wonder.
 
e_blazer said:
What times are the funerals? #GeezerFightingisDangerous
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This is exactly why I never fight. I will occasionally blow the paper of my straw in the direction of another old geezer. It can be for something as simple as being turned down for my request to spend the night with his 80 year old wife. I get turned on by all those wrinkles and flab. Yes, I'm a bully.
 
Definitely.

There won’t be another Republican president.

The last time they won the popular vote? 2004 :ghoti:
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
But Jim Bob and his 100 acres of land need his special voting rights over the no-good-rats-infested-city-dwellers! I wonder if the R will change their tunes about the EC if/when all the Jim Bobs get a little tanner?
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Have you ever worked in a field?
 
Wyoming has a population of about 600K. Oregon is about 4.2 million

Wyoming has 3 electoral votes. If Oregon was apportioned EC votes at the same rate Wyoming is, we'd have 21 electoral votes instead of 7. If California was apportioned the same as Wyoming it would have 195 electoral votes instead of 55

in this 2020 election, by just shuffling around a couple hundred thousand vote it could have ended up that Joe Biden lost the election even though he got 7 million more votes.

All because of that stupid fucking electoral college

the "protect the minority" defense used to justify the electoral college is vapid. Not one state has an electoral college for counties because that would be fucking stupid. It doesn't get smarter when you take it up to the next level. How about the tyranny of the minority? Democrats have now won the popular vote in 7 or the last 8 elections. In that time, the R's have appointed 16 judges to the Supreme Court, the D's have appointed 5. Because of the electoral college
 
e_blazer said:
The GOP is going to have to reinvent itself in the near future if they want to remain competitive nationally. Trump has set them back a long ways. Their reliance on the religious right is becoming stale. They are going to have to find a new message and better leaders. It will happen, but it won’t be quick.
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But wouldn't that new leadership look pretty similar to Biden?

Honestly I'm not sure you're right.

Even though I acknowledge that Biden is not a good candidate.. This election really should not have been this close.
 
illmatic99 said:
I hate how people keep mentioning Hillary with negative connotations. First of all, the only people who keep bringing her up are MAGAs, and second, she was a damn good candidate with decades of experience serving in multiple facets of government and was highly educated and respected on the global stage. They treat her like some failed wife from the swamp. Just irritates me to no end when people ignore her terrific credentials.

Back to what my mom says whenever we see her name evoked: people can't respect strong women. Just an unequivocal fact.
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She was a horrible candidate. Regardless of her education 60% of the country can't stand her.

This is a popularity contest. She lost to a freaking clown.
 
ehizzy3 said:
she did not lose a popularity contest with trump. She had millions of more votes.
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She literally lost to a clown. A clown which is going to lose to a pretty bad Dem candidate.

She was a terrible candidate.
 
Phatguysrule said:
She literally lost to a clown. A clown which is going to lose to a pretty bad Dem candidate.

She was a terrible candidate.
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but she didn’t lose the popularity contest. She demolished him in a popularity contest

he barely squeaked by in the electoral vote contest

edit: I’m not arguing that she was a bad candidate. But it’s not true she wasn’t more popular.
 
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ehizzy3 said:
but she didn’t lose the popularity contest. She demolished him in a popularity contest

he barely squeaked by in the electoral vote contest

edit: I’m not arguing that she was a bad candidate. But it’s not true she wasn’t more popular.
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She was incredibly unpopular. As a Democrat you generally have to be incredibly popular, with incredible momentum, and take nothing for granted to become president. She was none of that.

In fact, her own friends mocked her penchant for hubris caused failure when talking about her abilities.

She was a terrible candidate. "More popular than the orange idiot clown" is not a ringing endorsement... And it's not a good winning political strategy.
 
The electoral college is gerrymandering for the presidency. First order of democrats business should be to fix our voting system in on many levels. I would prefer they focus more on things like a national voting holiday and national mail in voting system like Oregon's. Those would be easier goals to obtain and would make a big difference.
 
Phatguysrule said:
But wouldn't that new leadership look pretty similar to Biden?

Honestly I'm not sure you're right.

Even though I acknowledge that Biden is not a good candidate.. This election really should not have been this close.
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Oh, I’m not sure that I’m right either. It’s just my sense, or maybe my wish, that this country is still pretty centrist in its overall orientation. Both parties have been dominated by loudmouths on the polar ends of the political spectrum, but I think that the majority of folks just want a well run country that offers a fair deal to its citizens. I don’t know what Biden will bring to the office because he’s been all over the place in his views over the years. I think the first party that realizes center is where success lies will do very well in the next election.

But I may be wrong. ;)
 
donkiez said:
The electoral college is gerrymandering for the presidency. First order of democrats business should be to fix our voting system in on many levels. I would prefer they focus more on things like a national voting holiday and national mail in voting system like Oregon's. Those would be easier goals to obtain and would make a big difference.
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none of that would happen with a repuglican Senate. We're probably headed for 4 years of gridlock because the same asinine un-democratic right-wing skew of the electoral college is in place for the Senate
 
The electoral college is like a playoff series, in that first to win 7 games wins! States EC are games. Doesn't matter who scored more points for the series. Im convinced the two party system wants to EC vote it that way, as they can make it tuff for other part candidates to get equal platforms, thus splitting the pie two ways rather than multiple.
If we went to popular vote then you could do away with parties and open it up to more general election candidates with equal platforms with media/debates.
Having more general election candidates eg: AOC rep progressives, Shumer representing dem's, Rubio repubs, & Libertarian candidate, than the two party hate each other would be diluted substantially, imo. And you could theoretically win with min of 26%.
Do away with parties and open it up with popular vote.
 
Hoopguru said:
The electoral college is like a playoff series, in that first to win 7 games wins! States EC are games. Doesn't matter who scored more points for the series. Im convinced the two party system wants to EC vote it that way, as they can make it tuff for other part candidates to get equal platforms, thus splitting the pie two ways rather than multiple.
If we went to popular vote then you could do away with parties and open it up to more general election candidates with equal platforms with media/debates.
Having more general election candidates eg: AOC rep progressives, Shumer representing dem's, Rubio repubs, & Libertarian candidate, than the two party hate each other would be diluted substantially, imo. And you could theoretically win with min of 26%.
Do away with parties and open it up with popular vote.
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they need to review and change the number of electoral votes the states currently have if they don’t want to change it
 
Nature will change the electoral college.....blue state voters houses have burned down in the west....they'll be relocating to Wyoming, Montana and Idaho and Texas...just watch
 
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