Would it be worth it?

[Strenuus]

A related question. What if it turned out the 77 team cheated? How would that make you feel.

Take the championship away. Win it right or you don't deserve to win it.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

After thinking about it a bit more, I've decided that a little cheating is not only OK, but appropriate. Why? The league does not give a level playing ground. Some teams are in no-tax states, some have nice weather, some have great nightlife.... The Portlands and Minnesotas of the world are not competitively compensated in any way.

 

[BrianFromWA]

This isn't life or death. Do it right, or don't effing play.

Now, if you study the book to know every rule, loophole, etc...good preparation. Cheating to win? Not my team (said as a Blazer, Navy, Mariner and Seahawk fan..so I know a lot about losing with character.)

 

[SlyPokerDog]

You like putting a snake in our locker room?

 

[THE HCP]

I'd be cool with...... they'd have to pry those 2 championship rings from my cold dead fingers!

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I was poking fun at the mention of the "Barry Bonds Dilemma" mention.

One, was it really cheating? Two, everyone was doing it. But the best player is the one who gets put in the gallows.

Ken Griffey Jr was doing it?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Ken Griffey Jr was doing it?

I don't question specific players. Steroids were too rampant, and I'm not going to accuse single players, just the entire group.

That being said, when he first started having some freak muscle injuries, people were saying (not directly about Griffey) that freak muscle injuries were tied to steroids. I ultimately don't think Griffey used steroids, though, at least not beyond maybe trying them and deciding against them.

That being said, Griffey's reputation and HOF career was built on his first 10-11 seasons in MLB. Go look at his second decade in MLB. Not bad by any means, but not great, statistically-speaking. And he missed a shit-ton of games that second decade. As impressive as he was (and I was a huge fan), it's almost the tale of two careers.

 

[tlongII]

Only if there were hookers and blow involved.

 

[ripcityboy]

No Fucking Way. You cheat and you put an asterisk on your team's legacy for history. Look at the NE, Do you think people are ever going to forget Spygate or Deflategate or any other Gate that team has been associated with? The fans will sbout "They hate because they aint us." Yet there are a special type of critic who remember every thing about history and write books about how scummy we all are. "Did you guys know that your hero was not a nice person?! HIS LEGACY IS DESTROYED!" Did you know that the Giants were stealing signs when Bobby Thompson hit the home run. There will always be a naysayer there to ruin you post parade buzz.

You either earn it fair or you don't sleep at night afterwards.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I don't question specific players. Steroids were too rampant, and I'm not going to accuse single players, just the entire group.

That being said, when he first started having some freak muscle injuries, people were saying (not directly about Griffey) that freak muscle injuries were tied to steroids. I ultimately don't think Griffey used steroids, though, at least not beyond maybe trying them and deciding against them.

That being said, Griffey's reputation and HOF career was built on his first 10-11 seasons in MLB. Go look at his second decade in MLB. Not bad by any means, but not great, statistically-speaking. And he missed a shit-ton of games that second decade. As impressive as he was (and I was a huge fan), it's almost the tale of two careers.

Yeah, i don't think he did them. If he did, kudos to him for being smarter than the rest. His injuries really seemed to hurt his game. Whether steroid induced or not.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Yeah, i don't think he did them. If he did, kudos to him for being smarter than the rest. His injuries really seemed to hurt his game. Whether steroid induced or not.

The killer is.... Some of the guys that did them or are accused of using them, did not need them and were already amongst the best in the game (like Bonds).

 

[BBert]

Lakers fans don't seem to mind the league cheated to get them their three-peat in 2000-02.

I would mind though.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Griffey never did steroids dude. Who needed to with bat speed like that?! Griffey's second half career slide was do to good home cooking and laziness. The Mariners got rid of him the second time around because he was repeatedly sleeping on the bencb. You have to consistently weight train and do post game workouts on a 165 game schedule. Once Griffey could sit on his couch and eat M&Ms after the game he lost the fire. Which is fine. Still a hell of a career.

I don't think he did either. I think he was the prime time player that was clean. But, i can't say definitively. I mean, Peyton Manning was involved in a steroids scandal. Who would have thought?

 

[dviss1]

A standard professional men's basketball WEIGHS 29.5 ounces.​

FTFY

 

[Strenuus]

I don't question specific players. Steroids were too rampant, and I'm not going to accuse single players, just the entire group.

That being said, when he first started having some freak muscle injuries, people were saying (not directly about Griffey) that freak muscle injuries were tied to steroids. I ultimately don't think Griffey used steroids, though, at least not beyond maybe trying them and deciding against them.

That being said, Griffey's reputation and HOF career was built on his first 10-11 seasons in MLB. Go look at his second decade in MLB. Not bad by any means, but not great, statistically-speaking. And he missed a shit-ton of games that second decade. As impressive as he was (and I was a huge fan), it's almost the tale of two careers.

Yeah. It sucks thinking about that. The What if of that 2nd decade is huge... he would have probably broken the HR record and still be beyond Bonds. (I still consider Aaron to be the true #1)

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Yeah. It sucks thinking about that. The What if of that 2nd decade is huge... he would have probably broken the HR record and still be beyond Bonds. (I still consider Aaron to be the true #1)

I try not to compare generations. They're really not comparable if you consider all the factors (rules, stadium sizes. the available types of PED's in each generation, the fact guys train year-round now, medical treatments now available, etc). And now, they're claiming the balls are juiced. Even the players are saying it.

But the what if..... that's why they play the games.

 

[Strenuus]

I try not to compare generations. They're really not comparable if you consider all the factors (rules, stadium sizes. the available types of PED's in each generation, the fact guys train year-round now, medical treatments now available, etc). And now, they're claiming the balls are juiced. Even the players are saying it.

But the what if..... that's why they play the games.

I hear you. I don't compare generations between players... but Griffey's second half vs. first half is the epitome of what if.

 

[Orion Bailey]

No. Cheaters suck. Period.