Would melo instead of Batum make us better?

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I've eased up in melo a bit. At first I didn't want him, now I wouldn't mind having him. He needs to not be the first option if he wants to win a championship.

Perhaps they could make it work, and perhaps he is one of the free agents that dame and la talked to during all star week?
 
If I'm Olshey I might be giving him a jingle if that was the case. See where Melo's mind set is.
 
I don't know - Melo has not really been a winner, he's worn out his welcome in a couple of places and now he's starting to age.
 
I think it's debatable. The guy can score, but do we really need more scoring? He'd kill the ball movement on offense, and that was the team's biggest strength last season and the reason we won 54 games. He's a worse passer and worse defender than Nic. If we could get him and keep our five starters that would be a huge upgrade to our bench, but I don't see any way that could happen cap wise.

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Yes.

But if people think Batum is overpaid, Melo will command a max contract for max years.

If the Blazers can win the Melo sweepstakes . . . well I would be amazed with Olshey.
 
The Chicago Bulls are the most likely landing spot for Carmelo Anthony, a league source told SNY.TV and The Knicks Blog. Assuming he follows through with his plan to opt-out by Monday’s deadline, Anthony could either sign with the Bulls for less money than he is due to make with the Knicks ($129 million over five years) or be moved to Chicago in a sign-and-trade deal
 
I think melo is a great enough athlete that if he wasn't asked to do everything, he could do what ever he is asked to do really well. Melo has always been forced to be the scorer and often a ball handler. It's hard to be asked to do everything on one end of the floor and then be the best defender out there.

In my eyes melo in portland would give us that 3rd have to double player that would make us an elite team. I love everything nic brings and won't be disappointed if the s5 stays the same, however he's never going to be doubled. A s5 of dame, Wes, Anthony, lma, and Lopez would be the best s5 in the nba with 3 all stars, 2 players arguably top 3 at their position, and LMA who is still the best pf in the nba.
 
No

The Blazers are much better with Batum and his 14.5 PER in the playoffs
 
No

The Blazers are much better with Batum and his 14.5 PER in the playoffs

This thread is catnip for this guy.

How about Batum's USG in the playoffs? How did Anthony do in the playoffs this year?
 
I've eased up in melo a bit. At first I didn't want him, now I wouldn't mind having him. He needs to not be the first option if he wants to win a championship.

Perhaps they could make it work, and perhaps he is one of the free agents that dame and la talked to during all star week?

When asking that question, you need to be also asking what made this team what it was last year? It was it's chemistry. Batum was a big reason for that. He and Wes and Dame all seem to get along and are like brothers. Remove him and replace him with Melo. Is the chemistry as strong? No. Would Melo alter the effects of the chemistry? Probably.

I think the team could use another great player on the team. I would love to see it. And If Melo was just a lil bit different, I wouldnt mind him. But he's not and I think whatever made this team last year would be gone with him on the team.

Think of New York before the Melo trade and New York after the trade. The knicks were a better club before Melo than they were after. It's a fact.
 
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I think melo is a great enough athlete that if he wasn't asked to do everything, he could do what ever he is asked to do really well. Melo has always been forced to be the scorer and often a ball handler. It's hard to be asked to do everything on one end of the floor and then be the best defender out there.

In my eyes melo in portland would give us that 3rd have to double player that would make us an elite team. I love everything nic brings and won't be disappointed if the s5 stays the same, however he's never going to be doubled. A s5 of dame, Wes, Anthony, lma, and Lopez would be the best s5 in the nba with 3 all stars, 2 players arguably top 3 at their position, and LMA who is still the best pf in the nba.

You're kidding right? Melo is gunner. Ain't nobody ever forced him to score....
 
When asking that question, you need to be also asking what made this team what it was last year? It was it's chemistry. Batum was a big reason for that. He and Wes and Dame all seem to get along and are like brothers. Remove him and replace him with Melo. Is the chemistry as strong? No. Would Melo alter the effects of the chemistry? Probably.

I think the team could use another great player on the team. I would love to see it. And If Melo was just a lil bit different, I wouldnt mind him. But he's not and I think whatever made this team last year would be gone with him on the team.

Think of New York before the Melo trade and New York after the trade. The knicks were a better club before Melo than they were after. It's a fact.

New York Knicks is not the Portland Blazers though. I think the Knicks rushed the team into trying to be really good and it didn't work. You can't blame that all on Carmelo.
 
New York Knicks is not the Portland Blazers though. I think the Knicks rushed the team into trying to be really good and it didn't work. You can't blame that all on Carmelo.

What made D'antoni's offense effective? Ball Movement. It was great before Melo showed up. The team had great chemistry and they were 60% of their games. When Carmelo showed up, the offense stymied. They won 50% of their games with less chemistry.

Now ask yourself this question, what makes Stott's offense effective?
 
What made D'antoni's offense effective? Ball Movement. It was great before Melo showed up. The team had great chemistry and they were 60% of their games. When Carmelo showed up, the offense stymied. They won 50% of their games with less chemistry.

Now ask yourself this question, what makes Stott's offense effective?

It doesn't mean he's going to be shitty on the next team. It all starts from the top not with the player.
 
You're kidding right? Melo is gunner. Ain't nobody ever forced him to score....

Forced in the sense that he is the only one who can do it, not forced as in he has to be told to do it even though he doesn't want to.

Melo has gone through enough that I think he's going to do what ever it takes to win, whether that means less money, less of the role, or a small market. I dint think there are any factors other than winning to melo right now.
 
I hate Melo. But no doubt in my mind that the answer is yes. Of course it will never happen in a million years, but sure if you add one of the best scorers in the world to this team...we are better. We can always change the coach and the offense.
 
It doesn't mean he's going to be shitty on the next team. It all starts from the top not with the player.

As an individual player he's far from being s----. He's got mad skills and talent. It's when you include or ask him to play in the team concept.

But who knows, maybe he's ready mature and open himself up for more. And if he's at that stage, Phil would take notice and he wouldn't let him go.
 
As an individual player he's far from being s----. He's got mad skills and talent. It's when you include or ask him to play in the team concept.

But who knows, maybe he's ready mature and open himself up for more. And if he's at that stage, Phil would take notice and he wouldn't let him go.

He's always been asked to be the team, not play with the team. Look how he plays with team usa. Guy is crazy if all the weight isn't on his shoulders.
 
As an individual player he's far from being s----. He's got mad skills and talent. It's when you include or ask him to play in the team concept.

But who knows, maybe he's ready mature and open himself up for more. And if he's at that stage, Phil would take notice and he wouldn't let him go.

Phil has no say in the matter. He has been trying to keep him. But when you are a UFA you have all the power.
 
He's always been asked to be the team, not play with the team. Look how he plays with team usa. Guy is crazy if all the weight isn't on his shoulders.

D'antoni spent some time trying to get him to play with the flow of the team and when he knew it was useless, he walked into the office and asked them to move Melo for Deron Williams...He lost his job the next day.
 
D'antoni spent some time trying to get him to play with the flow of the team and when he knew it was useless, he walked into the office and asked them to move Melo for Deron Williams...He lost his job the next day.

I have never done this, but Link? I have never seen or heard that story


Some people here make great points. I think for people like me who said Melo would make us better, it needs to be qualified. IF Melo was willing to be one of the guys and not the guy, then he has a crap load more offensive talent than Nic.
 
I have never done this, but Link? I have never seen or heard that story


Some people here make great points. I think for people like me who said Melo would make us better, it needs to be qualified. IF Melo was willing to be one of the guys and not the guy, then he has a crap load more offensive talent than Nic.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....trade-melo-for-deron-williams/comment-page-2/

Report: D’Antoni wanted to trade ‘Melo for Deron Williams

Kurt Helin

Mar 14, 2012, 5:04 PM EDT
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We know that now-former New York Knicks coach Mike D’Antoni and team owner James Dolan met Wednesday morning and came out of that meeting deciding to resign because of differences in how they saw the future of the organization.

Those differences were major — D’Antoni wanted to trade Carmelo Anthony to the Nets for Deron Williams. So reports David Aldridge of TNT and NBA.com.

D’Antoni, the source said, had been advocating that the Knicks attempt to trade Anthony to the New Jersey Nets for guard Deron Williams, a deal D’Antoni believed would be beneficial for both franchises. But Dolan categorically declined that request, and the “conflicting visions” between the owner and head coach about Anthony meant there was no way forward.

D’Antoni had hoped the Knicks’ inspired and winning play with Lin as the centerpiece — while Anthony and Stoudemire were injured — would convince Dolan the Knicks could win without Anthony.

D’Antoni and Anthony clearly had differences and the coach didn’t think he could run his offense right with Anthony in it. In recent games Anthony had been setting up in his preferred area on the elbow extended, which threw off the spacing of the Knicks pick-and-roll with Jeremy Lin. The whole offense fell apart and became desperation isolations.

But this is bigger than just play sets — this is about how to build a team to fit a system. D’Antoni may or may not have been able to win with his style in New York but we’ll never know because the Knicks management kept giving him an ill-fitting roster that would never work with what he wanted to run. At one point he had a good point guard for his system — which is point-guard dependent — in Raymond Felton, but he was traded to Denver in the Carmelo Anthony deal. Which brought in Chauncey Billups — not as good a system fit but solid. Then he was amnestied to make way for Tyson Chandler and not really replaced. Had they not lucked into Jeremy Lin the Knicks would have had all their hopes pinned on the already strained back on Baron Davis.

D’Antoni wanted a guy that fits his system. Dolan put a lot of effort into getting Anthony to New York (pushing aside then decision maker Donnie Walsh to do it). Dolan loves ‘Melo. It was a battle D’Antoni could not win, so he chose to leave the battlefield.

Here you go. Even if Melo was willing to give into the team concept and play within a system, I would still struggle moving Nic because I think Nic is ready to make another jump. Maybe in the same sense LA did last year. This doesn't mean a mvp caliber player. But It wouldn't surprise me if makes the all star team.
 
I have never done this, but Link? I have never seen or heard that story


Some people here make great points. I think for people like me who said Melo would make us better, it needs to be qualified. IF Melo was willing to be one of the guys and not the guy, then he has a crap load more offensive talent than Nic.

If you think Nico's defense is bad . . . well he has a "crap load" more defensive talent than Carmelo.
 
He's always been asked to be the team, not play with the team. Look how he plays with team usa. Guy is crazy if all the weight isn't on his shoulders.

So you're saying if you put him on a team with James, Durant, and Bryant, that he is a very good 4th option for a winning team. I can't argue against that point.
 
So you're saying if you put him on a team with James, Durant, and Bryant, that he is a very good 4th option for a winning team. I can't argue against that point.

Even with Aldridge and Lillard. Just say the words carmelo Anthony third option and you probably start puckering up.
 
Even with Aldridge and Lillard. Just say the words carmelo Anthony third option and you probably start puckering up.

He's worthless as a 3rd option on offense on NBA team because he doesn't play defense.

Somebody will overpay him to be a franchise player. Maybe the Lakers for when Bryant retires.
 
He's worthless as a 3rd option on offense on NBA team because he doesn't play defense.

Somebody will overpay him to be a franchise player. Maybe the Lakers for when Bryant retires.

Why would Melo be the 3rd option on offense? He is much more efficient than Aldridge, isn't he?
 

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