Would Philly give us Iguodala...

[Rastapopoulos]

...if we took the albatross of Elton Brand off their hands?

I bet they'd be tempted. Brand is seriously a shell of his former self.

We would have to pick up a few vets to get our roster up to the league minimum, though. But Philly would be forced to waive a few, so...

There's long been a love affair with Iguodala on this board, and I've resisted jumping on the bandwagon, but the past couple of seasons his +/- and defensive numbers have been ridiculous, and I'm thinking we need bulk at the SF spot if we ever want to compete with the Artest Lakers or the LeBron whatever-team-he-chooses, and Iguodala has, I think, shown himself to be a very unselfish and creative player.

[edit: for some reason that link doesn't seem to work. Essentially it's:
we get: Brand and Iguodala
they get: every Blazer except Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Miller, Batum, Mills, Howard.]

 

[RR7]

The link just takes me to the main trade machine page, care to list out who is in the deal?

 

[andalusian]

Shamelessblazer to reception, Shamelessblazer to reception, you have a customer.

 

[Natebishop3]

How would we ever match that much salary? We don't have RLEC anymore. At most we might be able to match one, but not both.

 

[Minstrel]

...if we took the albatross of Elton Brand off their hands?

I bet they'd be tempted. Brand is seriously a shell of his former self.

We would have to pick up a few vets to get our roster up to the league minimum, though. But Philly would be forced to waive a few, so...

There's long been a love affair with Iguodala on this board, and I've resisted jumping on the bandwagon, but the past couple of seasons his +/- and defensive numbers have been ridiculous, and I'm thinking we need bulk at the SF spot if we ever want to compete with the Artest Lakers or the LeBron whatever-team-he-chooses, and Iguodala has, I think, shown himself to be a very unselfish and creative player.

For some reason, links to the ESPN trade machine don't work for me...I get the "start a trade" screen. So I can't see your proposal.

But does Iguodala bulk Portland up at the small forward spot? He seems to actually be a little lighter than Roy and the same height. Of course, Miller/Roy/Iguodala is a bigger perimeter than Miller/Blake/Roy, so I guess in a sense it does bulk Portland up.

If Philadelphia is ready to tear it all down and start over, this may be the best offer they can get. Drop their big contracts, get some young, inexpensive players while keeping their own young, inexpensive players.

I've always liked Iguodala...this would be an excellent consolidation deal if it could be pulled off. Assuming Portland could find NBA players to fill out their roster afterward.

Edit: Just saw your edit, so it's not just me. Whew.

 

[magnifier661]

...if we took the albatross of Elton Brand off their hands?

I bet they'd be tempted. Brand is seriously a shell of his former self.

We would have to pick up a few vets to get our roster up to the league minimum, though. But Philly would be forced to waive a few, so...

There's long been a love affair with Iguodala on this board, and I've resisted jumping on the bandwagon, but the past couple of seasons his +/- and defensive numbers have been ridiculous, and I'm thinking we need bulk at the SF spot if we ever want to compete with the Artest Lakers or the LeBron whatever-team-he-chooses, and Iguodala has, I think, shown himself to be a very unselfish and creative player.

[edit: for some reason that link doesn't seem to work. Essentially it's:
we get: Brand and Iguodala
they get: every Blazer except Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Miller, Batum, Mills, Howard.]

I am for only doing trades that would make us considerably better. Ig is a great player, strong athletic and can score from anywhere, but I think the only way we get better is #1 CP3 or #2 Grab very defensive savvy SFs or quick savvy defenders at PG. That's just me though.

 

[ironcrotch]

Our scraps for their star player, sounds like a deal to me.

 

[Minstrel]

or #2 Grab very defensive savvy SFs or quick savvy defenders at PG. That's just me though.

IMO, Iguodala is a very good defender. I haven't watched him a ton, but I've seen a handful of his games each season and he strikes me as a tough defender. Offensively, he's all-around good but not exceptional at anything. I think he'd be a great complementary player.

 

[Natebishop3]

For some reason, links to the ESPN trade machine don't work for me...I get the "start a trade" screen. So I can't see your proposal.

But does Iguodala bulk Portland up at the small forward spot? He seems to actually be a little lighter than Roy and the same height. Of course, Miller/Roy/Iguodala is a bigger perimeter than Miller/Blake/Roy, so I guess in a sense it does bulk Portland up.

If Philadelphia is ready to tear it all down and start over, this may be the best offer they can get. Drop their big contracts, get some young, inexpensive players while keeping their own young, inexpensive players.

I've always liked Iguodala...this would be an excellent consolidation deal if it could be pulled off. Assuming Portland could find NBA players to fill out their roster afterward.

Edit: Just saw your edit, so it's not just me. Whew.

You have to "save" the trade and then you can link people to it. Maybe he didn't do that?

 

[Wheels]

I still dont get a trade sorry.

 

[magnifier661]

Our scraps for their star player, sounds like a deal to me.

It's not about the "quality of player in return". It's more about me questioning the chemistry involving players needing touches.

 

[andalusian]

IMO, Iguodala is a very good defender. I haven't watched him a ton, but I've seen a handful of his games each season and he strikes me as a tough defender. Offensively, he's all-around good but not exceptional at anything. I think he'd be a great complementary player.

As long as he is happy being a complementary player - sure. The issue is that he is now the #1 option in that team while they are grooming T-Young and Marsee.

 

[Jayps15]

One glaring problem I see is that we become absolutely atrocious at shooting the 3 with that proposal, Blake, Rudy, Webs, and Outlaw constitute our 4 best perimeter threats. A starting lineup with Miller/Roy/Iggy would probably be the worst outside shooting team in the league.

Plus there's adding 1 more guy that needs the ball and takes it out of Roy's hands, and the holes it leaves at backup PG and C.

 

[magnifier661]

IMO, Iguodala is a very good defender. I haven't watched him a ton, but I've seen a handful of his games each season and he strikes me as a tough defender. Offensively, he's all-around good but not exceptional at anything. I think he'd be a great complementary player.

I haven't seen him that much either, so my opinion is kinda a feeling more than an educated debate. But looking at his statistical numbers, it looks like he's getting 15 shots a game. I don't think he will even come close to getting those numbers in Portland. Do you think he would be happy with that?

 

[magnifier661]

One glaring problem I see is that we become absolutely atrocious at shooting the 3 with that proposal, Blake, Rudy, Webs, and Outlaw constitute our 4 best perimeter threats. A starting lineup with Miller/Roy/Iggy would probably be the worst outside shooting team in the league.

Plus there's adding 1 more guy that needs the ball and takes it out of Roy's hands, and the holes it leaves at backup PG and C.

Wow very good point.

 

[Minstrel]

I haven't seen him that much either, so my opinion is kinda a feeling more than an educated debate. But looking at his statistical numbers, it looks like he's getting 15 shots a game. I don't think he will even come close to getting those numbers in Portland. Do you think he would be happy with that?

I'm not sure how important shots are to him. I do know he loved playing with Miller and was sorry to see him leave Philly, so that would be a positive element to his coming to Portland, I figure.

 

[BenDavis503]

Why would you completely gut our team that we have built and had success with for Iggy and a washed up version of Brand?

 

[Natebishop3]

I can't see what the OP's proposal was, but those two players make a combined 27 million dollars. We would have to trade half our team to make the trade work. I'm all for consolidation, but that's really pushing it. Reminds me of the Kiki Vandeweghe trade.

 

[Wheels]

One glaring problem I see is that we become absolutely atrocious at shooting the 3 with that proposal, Blake, Rudy, Webs, and Outlaw constitute our 4 best perimeter threats. A starting lineup with Miller/Roy/Iggy would probably be the worst outside shooting team in the league.

Plus there's adding 1 more guy that needs the ball and takes it out of Roy's hands, and the holes it leaves at backup PG and C.

while I agree our shooting takes a hit with the backup players... They seemed ok with a starting backcourt of Miller, Iggy, and Willie Green... the difference being Roy is much much better. And Alridge much much better than Young.. and Oden Much much much better than Sam

 

[noknobs]

I really don't see the point in the Blazers making a huge trade at this point. Maybe a small consolidation trade or something, but why on earth do we need to do something like this? I don't get it.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

You have to "save" the trade and then you can link people to it. Maybe he didn't do that?

Yes "he" did! I see that it doesn't work for any trade - there must be some bug with the trade machine at the moment. Anyway, it said it worked, and it was:
* Elton Brand
* $14,858,472$14.8M
* 14.6
* PF6 0
* 4 Years

* A. Iguodala
* $12,200,000$12.2M
* 18.5
* SG2 0
* 5 Years

Acquiring 2 Players

$27,058,472 $27.1M

Being Traded To Philadelphia 76ers

* J. Bayless
* $2,143,080$2.1M
* 8.3
* PG1 0
* 2 Years

* Steve Blake
* $4,000,000$4.0M
* 14.5
* PG1 0
* 1 Year

* D. Cunningham
* $457,588$457.5K
* N/A
* F7 0
* 2 Years

* T. Outlaw
* $3,600,000$3.6M
* 15.1
* SF5 0
* 1 Year

* J. Pendergraph
* $457,588$457.5K
* N/A
* F7 0
* 3 Years

* J. Przybilla
* $6,857,725$6.8M
* 15.5
* C9 0
* 2 Years

* M. Webster
* $4,344,000$4.3M
* N/A
* SG2 0
* 4 Years

$21,859,981 $21.9M

So, we get to keep Rudy as well! Probably too good to be true, unless they're really jonesing for the rights to Victor Claver...

 

[magnifier661]

I'm not sure how important shots are to him. I do know he loved playing with Miller and was sorry to see him leave Philly, so that would be a positive element to his coming to Portland, I figure.

You gotta point as well, still a little concerned though. Since they played in Philly, it was really Ig and Him handling most the scoring and ball. Ig would basically come to portland as the 4th possibly 5th fiddle, IMO.

 

[andalusian]

So, we get to keep Rudy as well! Probably too good to be true, unless they're really jonesing for the rights to Victor Claver...

You do not trade a rookie of the year candidate!

 

[Minstrel]

You gotta point as well, still a little concerned though. Since they played in Philly, it was really Ig and Him handling most the scoring and ball. Ig would basically come to portland as the 4th possibly 5th fiddle, IMO.

I think he'd start as the 2/3 option. Behind Roy, on par with Aldridge. Over time, I expect Oden to move past both Aldridge and Iguodala on the scoring pecking order. But, if the team is having success and everyone is being paid (and, currently, everyone except Oden has their safely large contract), I think everyone will be able to live with their roles.

 

[Minstrel]

So, we get to keep Rudy as well! Probably too good to be true, unless they're really jonesing for the rights to Victor Claver...

We keep Batum, too. Seems a little too good to be true. When the only value Portland is offering for their young borderline star is to take contracts and give young talent...I think they're going to want more than Bayless as young talent.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Why would you completely gut our team that we have built and had success with for Iggy and a washed up version of Brand?

Here's the players we would have left:

C: Oden, Brand (yes, he's undersized, but several writers have suggested that this is now his natural position)
PF: Aldridge, Howard
SF: Iguodala, Batum
SG: Roy, Rudy
PG: Miller, Mills

Yes, it's thin. But hardly "gutted". And there are a fair few useful vets out there waiting for offers: Brevin Knight, Jerry Stackhouse and Wally Szserbiak (sp?) are just three that immediately occur to me.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

We keep Batum, too. Seems a little too good to be true. When the only value Portland is offering for their young borderline star is to take contracts and give young talent...I think they're going to want more than Bayless as young talent.

What about Travis!!?? And Webster... And don't forget that Przybilla would instantly be their starting C, and a great complement to Mareese Speights. In fact, they'd get probably three starters NOT called Bayless out of this, because Blake is actually a PG but can play in the backcourt alongside Louis Williams....

...oh all right: it is too good to be true.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I really don't see the point in the Blazers making a huge trade at this point. Maybe a small consolidation trade or something, but why on earth do we need to do something like this? I don't get it.

World domination not a good enough reason?

 

[Minstrel]

What about Travis!!?? And Webster... And don't forget that Przybilla would instantly be their starting C, and a great complement to Mareese Speights. In fact, they'd get probably three starters NOT called Bayless out of this, because Blake is actually a PG but can play in the backcourt alongside Louis Williams.

I agree that Pryzbilla, Blake and Outlaw are all solid players. But doing this deal would essentially be a franchise reboot for Philadelphia. Przybilla, Blake and Outlaw don't really help them build for their next contender...they are essentially pieces that they have to get back just to remain a viable NBA franchise in the here and now. I don't think they'd value them as more than filler. Present-value players aren't a big benefit to a team blowing things up.

 

[Wheels]

World domination not a good enough reason?