Would Philly give us Iguodala...

[Rastapopoulos]

I agree that Pryzbilla, Blake and Outlaw are all solid players. But doing this deal would essentially be a franchise reboot for Philadelphia. Przybilla, Blake and Outlaw don't really help them build for their next contender...they are essentially pieces that they have to get back just to remain a viable NBA franchise in the here and now. I don't think they'd value them as more than filler. Present-value players aren't a big benefit to a team blowing things up.

Fair enough: then they can do what Atlanta did with Rasheed and turn around and trade them to a contender (just not the Lakers, please). I'm sure Orlando would be very glad to have Blake, and maybe they'd offer draft picks, cash, what have you. But Philly has Thaddeus Young, Marreese Speights and Louis Williams as promising young players. Oh, and Andre Iguodala...

I bet if a team offered to take Brand AND Dalembert off their hands, Iggy would be gone yesterday.

 

[andalusian]

World domination not a good enough reason?

Perfect is the biggest enemy of good enough.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Perfect is the biggest enemy of good enough.

That's an argument against the Kemp trade, not the Pippen trade. This is a Pippen trade.

 

[andalusian]

That's an argument against the Kemp trade, not the Pippen trade. This is a Pippen trade.

I do not think so. Iggy is a very good defender - but his real value is as a big part of the offense. His role on the Blazers would be reduced offensively - to the point where you are overpaying in depth to get his defense - when we actually have someone who projects to be a fantastic (maybe better) defender than him in Batum - while keeping the depth.

This is my opinion. Too many chiefs, not enough native-americans. We have Chef Roy, we have Sous-LMA, we have Chef in training Oden. No need to bring Chef Boyardee to do a prep-boy job, when we have a prep-boy in training (in Batum) on the roster, if we also have a bunch of waiters.

Yeah, I know. I lost the i's and made a chef from chief. Sue me.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I do not think so. Iggy is a very good defender - but his real value is as a big part of the offense.

1. Why? Prove it! Does he have absurdly high usage rates? Is he a gunner? Has he shown evidence that he'll pout unless he gets x number of shots per game?
2. Define being a "big part of the offense". Do you simply mean "has to have isolation plays called for him"? Jason Kidd is a huge part of the Dallas offense, but takes very few shots. Ray Allen is a big part of Boston's offense even though his shots are way down from his Seattle days. If we have a "Ubuntu" vibe then everybody touches the ball, everybody's happy.

His role on the Blazers would be reduced offensively - to the point where you are overpaying in depth to get his defense

Depth is overrated. It really is. What counts is the quality of the players who get playing time. You need 4 or 5 very good players, and the rest can be Eddie Houses or Shannon Browns.

when we actually have someone who projects to be a fantastic (maybe better) defender than him in Batum - while keeping the depth.

Do you think Batum could guard LeBron? I don't. But I think Iguodala could do a better job. They're different players: Batum is young Tayshaun, Iggy could be young, non-crazy Artest. And there's plenty of PT for both, particularly as Iggy can swing to the 2 and Batum can guard lankier "skill" bigs like Bargnani or even Nowitzki or Gasol.

This is my opinion. Too many chiefs, not enough native-americans.

Chiefs are Native Americans. And some players blend fine, as Ray Allen did and Paul Pierce did. The main knock on Iggy is that he's NOT a franchise player. But that would be a benefit in this scenario.

We have Chef Roy, we have Sous-LMA, we have Chef in training Oden. No need to bring Chef Boyardee to do a prep-boy job, when we have a prep-boy in training (in Batum) on the roster, if we also have a bunch of waiters.
Yeah, I know. I lost the i's and made a chef from chief. Sue me.

Block that metaphor!

 

[Idog1976]

I really don't see the point in the Blazers making a huge trade at this point. Maybe a small consolidation trade or something, but why on earth do we need to do something like this? I don't get it.

I agree. I've been trying to find a lockdown 3 who shoots the 3 ball at a good clip and/or a lockdown defender 1 who shoots the three well. I also would like to see a banger backup PF/C.

Honestly, I think our biggest problem is topped out players like Outlaw and Blake taking away playing time from guys like Bayless and Cunningham. We ought to consider trades for high draft picks just to clear out the logjam. Not that I'm happy about his injury - FAR FROM IT - but can you imagine the log jam if we still had Batum ready to go?

 

[andalusian]

1. Why? Prove it! Does he have absurdly high usage rates? Is he a gunner? Has he shown evidence that he'll pout unless he gets x number of shots per game?

I can not prove it, this is not a lab test. I can speculate.

However, His efficiency (PER) went up high as soon as AI (the first) went out and his usage percentage went up from 13-15% to the 22% and up. From just below 15 (average starter) to the 18-20 range (borderline all-star).

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iguodan01.html

This to me, is a point of concern. I think his efficiency, offensively will drop significantly if he becomes option #4 instead of #1.

2. Define being a "big part of the offense". Do you simply mean "has to have isolation plays called for him"? Jason Kidd is a huge part of the Dallas offense, but takes very few shots. Ray Allen is a big part of Boston's offense even though his shots are way down from his Seattle days. If we have a "Ubuntu" vibe then everybody touches the ball, everybody's happy.

I think his his efficiency will drop significantly if his usage% drops and more so if he does not handle the ball a lot. Ray Ray was always a great catch and shoot player. He can thrive in getting clean, open looks with the defense trying to contain Rondo, PP and making sure KG is covered. I do not think AI2 is the same kind of player.

Depth is overrated. It really is. What counts is the quality of the players who get playing time. You need 4 or 5 very good players, and the rest can be Eddie Houses or Shannon Browns.

I disagree. The Celtics, when they won it all were a deep team, and the Lakers were among the most deep teams in the league last year as well.

Do you think Batum could guard LeBron? I don't. But I think Iguodala could do a better job. They're different players: Batum is young Tayshaun, Iggy could be young, non-crazy Artest. And there's plenty of PT for both, particularly as Iggy can swing to the 2 and Batum can guard lankier "skill" bigs like Bargnani or even Nowitzki or Gasol.

LeBron is averaging 30PPG against Iggy in his career, vs. 34PPG against a rookie Batum. On the other hand, Melo averages 30PPG against Iggy in his career, but only 25 against Batum.

I think that Nic's length will become a better tool against the LeBrons of the world than Iggy's shorter but stronger (for now) physique.

I think that you are trading depth of role players for a guy that would mostly become a role-player as well in this team, because he is relegated to option #4 on offense.

 

[Minstrel]

I agree. I've been trying to find a lockdown 3 who shoots the 3 ball at a good clip

There is one on the Blazers: Nic Batum. Well, lock-down may be a bit of an overstatement, but very good defensively. If the Blazers had him healthy, I think the team would look even better. They could play Miller, Roy and Batum and let Batum defend the toughest perimeter opponent, 1, 2 or 3.

 

[B-Roy]

I think Philly only does it if you add Mills.

 

[Minstrel]

I think Philly only does it if you add Mills.

Philly loves cheesesteaks, not patty melts.

Good thought, though. There are some similarities.

 

[Natebishop3]

Honestly, I'm not opposed to trading Rudy, Joel, Blake, and Outlaw, but Iggy isn't the guy I was envisioning and Brand is a waste of space. I don't think he would embrace a backup roll at all.

Also, as much as I'm excited about Oden, I believe he still has some kinks to work out (especially in the foul department). We need Joel for at least another year. Once Greg gets comfortable, I could see trading Joel. Unless, we add another center in the trade.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygkc2xp

I know Stephen Jackson has been a topic of debate here.

I would deal Webster, Blake, and Joel for Jackson, Turiaf, and Wright.

And then I would deal Outlaw and Bayless to Memphis for Conley.

Miller/Conley/Mills
Roy/Rudy
Jackson/Batum
Aldridge/Wright
Oden/Turiaf

 

[LittleAlex]

I think Philly only does it if you add Mills.

Philly only does it if LMA, Roy or Oden are involved.


There aren't that many teams not named the Grizzlies that are willing to accept a bunch of decent players for their best player.

No combination of Portland's role players would add up to a single Andre I for Philly.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Philly only does it if LMA, Roy or Oden are involved.
There aren't that many teams not named the Grizzlies that are willing to accept a bunch of decent players for their best player.
No combination of Portland's role players would add up to a single Andre I for Philly.

It completely depends on Philly's financial situation. They're obviously being cheap because they let Andre Miller walk, and he was the engine of that team. Teams make lopsided trades for monetary reasons, which can be so they can clear cap space for FAs, or simply because they're cheap or in deep financial shit. It's naive to assume that only talent is at issue or that only the Grizzlies' owner is a cheapskate.

[Edit: and on that note:

Can't believe the crowd is this small on a Friday night in Philadelphia.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I know Stephen Jackson has been a topic of debate here.
I would deal Webster, Blake, and Joel for Jackson, Turiaf, and Wright.

Fair enough - I like that trade. BUT:
1. don't hijack the Iggy thread, man, and
2. I've read multiple reports that everyone's asking for Turiaf in their Jackson offers and the Warriors refuse to give him up.

 

[Natebishop3]

Fair enough - I like that trade. BUT:
1. don't hijack the Iggy thread, man, and
2. I've read multiple reports that everyone's asking for Turiaf in their Jackson offers and the Warriors refuse to give him up.

I guess I could see that. Turiaf is solid, but they get Joel.

 

[RoyIsClutch07]

I'd love to have him.

 

[RoyIsClutch07]

These numbers don't match up but we have talked about Chris Paul. Who in here thinks including Joel P in a package that includes Andre, Rudy and Jerryd get's us closer to acquiring him?

 

[shamelessblazer]

Shamelessblazer to reception, Shamelessblazer to reception, you have a customer.

I haven't wanted Iggy ever since he got that outrageous contract, plus him, Andre, and Brandon is a poor shooting backcourt.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Interesting. But if we're looking at future SF's why not try to pry away Anthony Randolph? Golden State, according to their beat writer, could have a fire sale this season. He's also 6-years younger and already produces in the playing time he's given. But the catch is he's only available if we take Jackson off their hands.

We'd have three 7-footers in the frontcourt as well. The possibilities!

 

[NJNetz]

Yes "he" did! I see that it doesn't work for any trade - there must be some bug with the trade machine at the moment. Anyway, it said it worked, and it was:
* Elton Brand
* $14,858,472$14.8M
* 14.6
* PF6 0
* 4 Years

* A. Iguodala
* $12,200,000$12.2M
* 18.5
* SG2 0
* 5 Years

Acquiring 2 Players

$27,058,472 $27.1M

Being Traded To Philadelphia 76ers

* J. Bayless
* $2,143,080$2.1M
* 8.3
* PG1 0
* 2 Years

* Steve Blake
* $4,000,000$4.0M
* 14.5
* PG1 0
* 1 Year

* D. Cunningham
* $457,588$457.5K
* N/A
* F7 0
* 2 Years

* T. Outlaw
* $3,600,000$3.6M
* 15.1
* SF5 0
* 1 Year

* J. Pendergraph
* $457,588$457.5K
* N/A
* F7 0
* 3 Years

* J. Przybilla
* $6,857,725$6.8M
* 15.5
* C9 0
* 2 Years

* M. Webster
* $4,344,000$4.3M
* N/A
* SG2 0
* 4 Years

$21,859,981 $21.9M

So, we get to keep Rudy as well! Probably too good to be true, unless they're really jonesing for the rights to Victor Claver...

Oh yeah, they would definitely do that. Then you guys can go get Lebron, and you'd be ahead of the game.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Oh yeah, they would definitely do that. Then you guys can go ahead Lebron, and you'd be ahead of the game.

Are you kidding me, There's no way I'm trading Rudy for Lebron, he's way too valuable and he has tons of upside ...