Would we even want Conley anymore?

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Conley has been a topic here for a few years now and with Tinsely may see a reduced role. Would we still want him if he was available relatively cheap? I think I'd prefer trying to get Chalmers from Miami if he's available. Thoughts?
 
Chalmers got busted for weed, so that probably won't happen. As for Conley, he is not the guy for this team. Brandon doesn't seem to want to adapt his game to a PG that can actually be a PG, so getting one is silly.
 
NJ will be in the running to land John Wall so maybe Devin Harris could be available.
 
Fez W. Bush said:
NJ will be in the running to land John Wall so maybe Devin Harris could be available.
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That is about the only scenario I see them dealing him. They could free up cap space with a Harris for Rudy and expiring contracts deal.

It'd still make more sense for them to trade down or deal it for something, as I think for 2010 free agents, it is more enticing to play with an established young-prime PG than a rookie.
 
All the Grizz fans are enamored with Tinsley. Check out the comments to this story. Conley's value may be at an all time low. I would be intrigued by seeing Conley and Oden play together again just because of their experience together in the past. I don't know that Conley blows me away, but depending on who they would want I wouldn't be opposed to a Conley deal. We would probably have to send a PG back. I might do a Bayless for Conley swap but I am not sure who is getting the better end of that deal. It might be a good situation for both players.
 
I don't want Conley.

As much as I like Harris, I think Roy would bitch about him.

I think a PG like Rondo would be perfect for us (outside of the fact that he can't make 3s... but Blake can be his backup)... defense, knows how to feed the stars and keep 'em all happy.

But Rondo isn't gettable. I honestly don't know what PG i'd want that is attainable. Westbrook is another PG i'd like, but he seems locked into OKC.
 
Conley was an extremely good three point shooter last year--.406. Don't know what happened this year. Maybe just horrible spacing?

Anyway, I think he breaks out of his shooting slump at some point, and when he does he'll give you all the perimeter shooting that Blake does. So yeah, I'd definitely still be on board with that idea.

I'm not a fan of picking up a PG who can't hit threes after the Andre Miller experiment. It's nothing against Andre--it just seems like you have to be a fantastic three point shooter if you have want to have any hope of supplanting the basketball god that is Steve Blake.
 
MrJayremmie said:
I don't want Conley.

As much as I like Harris, I think Roy would bitch about him.

I think a PG like Rondo would be perfect for us (outside of the fact that he can't make 3s... but Blake can be his backup)... defense, knows how to feed the stars and keep 'em all happy.

But Rondo isn't gettable. I honestly don't know what PG i'd want that is attainable. Westbrook is another PG i'd like, but he seems locked into OKC.
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Isn't that what's keeping Miller on the bench right now, another PG better than Blake?
 
I think it'd definitely be worth it to get a look at him while he's on his rookie deal if the guy's attainable. They might want a passive floor spacer in Blake with Mayo and Gay, ha.

I would really really love to get Marc Gasol though.
 
Isn't that what's keeping Miller on the bench right now, another PG better than Blake?
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I don't think so. I think you start Rondo instead of Blake even if he can't shoot 3s.

But I see your point. I think the main difference is defense here, as Rondo is a pretty darn good PG defender.
 
Maybe for Greg. They both could potentially make each other better mainly due to knowing each other so well. But no, I am not so high on him anymore. I don't think he's that good.
 
RoyIsClutch07 said:
Maybe for Greg. They both could potentially make each other better mainly due to knowing each other so well. But no, I am not so high on him anymore. I don't think he's that good.
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This is why people lose money on the stock market. Or one reason anyways...Sell low buy high. Not a good strategy. You want to buy low and sell high. Last year no one wanted Deng. Missed the boat on that one cough cough RLEC.
 
Idog1976 said:
This is why people lose money on the stock market. Or one reason anyways...Sell low buy high. Not a good strategy. You want to buy low and sell high. Last year no one wanted Deng. Missed the boat on that one cough cough RLEC.
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I agree, he's worth a shot if we could get him for TO's expiring and a pick, Blake, perhaps even a Bayless swap.
 
if it wasn't for his age I think Jason Terry would have been a perfect backcourt mate for Roy.
 
Idog1976 said:
This is why people lose money on the stock market. Or one reason anyways...Sell low buy high. Not a good strategy. You want to buy low and sell high.
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People also lose money on the market by buying low and seeing the investment sink even more. Conley isn't going to be free...Memphis will want something of value. The question is whether hes worth it. Just because he's "low" right now doesn't mean he has a high ahead. Some players are never very good.

I'm not against the buy low/sell high philosophy...that's obviously the right strategy, assuming you correctly evaluate which "buy low" propositions are likely to pan out.

Last year no one wanted Deng. Missed the boat on that one cough cough RLEC.
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Not at all true. Some of us, like me, wanted Deng. But then, Eddy Curry was also a buy-low proposition at one time (still is, of course, but at one time he was considered a legitimate opportunity). All buy-low propositions don't make you money or win you games. Whether Conley is one who will pan out can be argued, but saying that simply because his value is lower right now that it's shortsighted not to want to trade for him isn't reasonable at all.
 
I may be way off on this but I actually think Patty Mills could easily be as good as what Conley has shown so far, so if is coming back around Xmas maybe we'll get a chance to see a little of him.
 
I liked/like Conley, I think he's talented but surrounded by a lot of guys who like to handle the rock which diminishes not only his confidence, but his effectiveness when he's on the court with his current teammates ... but this begs the question, would Brandon let him handle the ball? I'm not so sure.

Frankly, my "preferred" guy would be (as in the player I think least likely to disrupt whatever it is that Nate calls this offense) Mario Chalmers, barring that I think pretty highly of Kyle Lowry, he's no lights-out 3 point shooter, but he's a bulldog on defense and he's doing a pretty good job of spreading the ball around with Houston and he's doing it efficiently, he gets into the lane, he finishes pretty well for a 6'1" player and he's somewhat versatile.

Really though, I'm kind of tired of talking about trading for new point guards as long as Steve Blake is still here; Nate has shown almost no inclination to sit his ass down even though he's playing at or below replacement player level -- in short, what's the fucking point?
 
SpanishFly said:
I may be way off on this but I actually think Patty Mills could easily be as good as what Conley has shown so far, so if is coming back around Xmas maybe we'll get a chance to see a little of him.
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I don't want to be rude, but I think you're way off ... Mills is nothing special; a small, slightly built, 6 footer who looks to score first, wasn't a particularly accurate 3 point shooter from the college line and coming off a busted foot ... let's just say I'll be shocked if he sticks in the NBA.
 
"Really though, I'm kind of tired of talking about trading for new point guards as long as Steve Blake is still here; Nate has shown almost no inclination to sit his ass down even though he's playing at or below replacement player level -- in short, what's the fucking point?"

How true and how sad a statement it is. With Both MCIdiot and Roy apparently favoring Blakey so much WTF is about all we can say.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I liked/like Conley, I think he's talented but surrounded by a lot of guys who like to handle the rock which diminishes not only his confidence, but his effectiveness when he's on the court with his current teammates ... but this begs the question, would Brandon let him handle the ball? I'm not so sure.

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Really though, I'm kind of tired of talking about trading for new point guards as long as Steve Blake is still here; Nate has shown almost no inclination to sit his ass down even though he's playing at or below replacement player level -- in short, what's the fucking point?
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Well here's an idea that nets Conley at minimal cost to us:

This trade works on ESPN trade checker and solves a few of our problems in one trade.

Memphis Out:

H. Haddadi (Center, expendable with Thabeet and Gasol)

M. Conley Jr. (PG)

M. Jaric (PG/SG)

Memphis In:

J. Bayless (PG/SG to pair with Mayo)

T. Outlaw (They are then free to trade Rudy Gay to another team)

S. Blake

J. Pendergraph

Portland Out:

J. Bayless

T. Outlaw

S. Blake

J. Pendergraph

Portland In:

Portland In:

H. Haddadi (Center)

M. Conley Jr. (PG)

M. Jaric (nets us Adrianna Lima as a sight in the Rose Garden)


That would leave Portland with the following lineup.

PG: Miller/Conley

SG: Roy/Rudy/Jaric (Frankly, I would rather see his wife on the floor he's in the trade for a Mem salary dump)

SF: Webster/Roy/Batum (when he returns)

PF: LMA/Cunningham

C: Oden/Przybilla/H. Haddadi

That's a very well rounded team.

Conley would be the better fit to start IMO due to 3pt range and PG defense. However, Nate would likely go with Miller if that was OK with General Manager and Team Owner Brandon Roy. Joking aside, we also pick up Haddadi who would be an acceptable backup to Oden in the event we trade Joel or he opts to terminate his contract this summer. This trade frees up Joel as trade bait as well.

If you don't like this trade you could go for Hinrich and Deng. Hinrich is like Blake +++ you can check out this trade I suggested in another thread:

Idog1976 said:
Would you do this?

Rudy + Blake + Outlaw + Przybilla + Pendergraph for Hinrich and Deng? It works on trade machine.
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You will notice Blake and Outlaw go in both trades...If you go for the first trade you could make an additional trade for depth at the 3 or 4 by trading Joel with the assumption that he walks next summer.
 
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I hate to say it, but it may be time to revisit the notion of trading for Hinrich.

Obviously, Blake would have to be included in the deal, or "Captain Kirk" would never get to see the floor. On offense, he would bring the same ugly, pointless game as Blake - but he would be a tremendous upgrade on defense.
 
oldmangrouch said:
I hate to say it, but it may be time to revisit the notion of trading for Hinrich.

Obviously, Blake would have to be included in the deal, or "Captain Kirk" would never get to see the floor. On offense, he would bring the same ugly, pointless game as Blake - but he would be a tremendous upgrade on defense.
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Out of all possibilities he would probably fit with Roy the best. But I disagree, offensively, I think Kirk is more polished than Blake. And he would be better in this offense than Blake.
 
Idog1976 said:
Well here's an idea that nets Conley at minimal cost to us:

This trade works on ESPN trade checker and solves a few of our problems in one trade.

Memphis Out:

H. Haddadi (Center, expendable with Thabeet and Gasol)

M. Conley Jr. (PG)

M. Jaric (PG/SG)

Memphis In:

J. Bayless (PG/SG to pair with Mayo)

T. Outlaw (They are then free to trade Rudy Gay to another team)

S. Blake

J. Pendergraph

Portland Out:

J. Bayless

T. Outlaw

S. Blake

J. Pendergraph

Portland In:

Portland In:

H. Haddadi (Center)

M. Conley Jr. (PG)

M. Jaric (nets us Adrianna Lima as a sight in the Rose Garden)


That would leave Portland with the following lineup.

PG: Miller/Conley

SG: Roy/Rudy/Jaric (Frankly, I would rather see his wife on the floor he's in the trade for a Mem salary dump)

SF: Webster/Roy/Batum (when he returns)

PF: LMA/Cunningham

C: Oden/Przybilla/H. Haddadi

That's a very well rounded team.

Conley would be the better fit to start IMO due to 3pt range and PG defense. However, Nate would likely go with Miller if that was OK with General Manager and Team Owner Brandon Roy. Joking aside, we also pick up Haddadi who would be an acceptable backup to Oden in the event we trade Joel or he opts to terminate his contract this summer. This trade frees up Joel as trade bait as well.

If you don't like this trade you could go for Hinrich and Deng. Hinrich is like Blake +++ you can check out this trade I suggested in another thread:



You will notice Blake and Outlaw go in both trades...If you go for the first trade you could make an additional trade for depth at the 3 or 4 by trading Joel with the assumption that he walks next summer.
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Hmmm .... eh ... meh. As far as trade ideas go it's probably not horrible, Haddadi probably projects to being about as useful as Pendergraph, Jaric is about as useful an NBA guard as my blue heeler -- which makes the Blake for Jaric swap close to fair, but Conley has some pretty substantial red flags (seriously backsliding from merely average his third season in).

I'm having a hard time getting excited about it, even though it's probably an OK deal; it just feels awfully "lateral" to me or at least it seems to possess serious backfire potential.
 
Conley has the same problem Blake does - playing much worse than last year.
Blake was a little better than Conley last year. Still is, even though relative to all the other PGs they've both slid way down the list.
Blakey, we could say last year was his career year and he'll now revert to the mean.
Conley, last year he was a rookie. [Edit: whoops, I guess this is year three] Maybe he's just no damn good?

I'd rather keep Blake, if it weren't for the lock he has on the starting spot. As it is, I think KP needs to apply the Jarrett Jack solution.

barfo
 
Nikolokolus said:
Hmmm .... eh ... meh. As far as trade ideas go it's probably not horrible, Haddadi probably projects to being about as useful as Pendergraph, Jaric is about as useful an NBA guard as my blue heeler -- which makes the Blake for Jaric swap close to fair, but Conley has some pretty substantial red flags (seriously backsliding from merely average his third season in).

I'm having a hard time getting excited about it, even though it's probably an OK deal; it just feels awfully "lateral" to me or at least it seems to possess serious backfire potential.
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Well, this is a thread about Conley interest. I feel Conley is a victim of circumstance much like Jerryd, but for different reasons. Conley is stuck with some of the worst ball hogs in the league (Mayo, Gay, Randolph) and is soon to be stuck behind Tinsley. He has quickness, court vision and 3pt shooting, he simply is beaten down being stuck in Memphis (who wouldn't be?!?!?). Getting rid of Blake and Outlaw alone makes this trade worth it. Haddadi is definitely better then 'Graph as a Center prospect.

I'm begining to think the Hinrich and Deng deal might be the way to go.
 
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