Would you buy a self driving car?

[blazerboy30]

...where malfunctioning cars would look exactly like normal drivers.

 

[magnifier661]

Self driving car systems would be awesome for those assholes that think they can drink and drive. Set up a breathalyzer in the car and if you are over the limit; only the self driving car can drive it. Imagine the reduction of drunk driving deaths?

 

[tlongII]

I would give rides to strippers.

 

[magnifier661]

I would give rides to strippers.

IMagine the sex you can have with your blow up dolls?

 

[maxiep]

Cameras on the car, not the road.

The information is still the same.

 

[maxiep]

Hell yes, then i could take a nap in the drivers seat.

I do that all the time anyway.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Never. If I get myself into an accident, I want it to be because I was the one who made an error, not some software engineer. This will probably be another of those things that the kids of the future will mock me for.

Although I see what you mean....

I just can't imagine not driving my own car how I please.

It's cool that you guys want to get in accidents that are your fault, but no one else wants that.

Especially if you're old. Old people are terrible drivers and this will certainly help that.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Yeah. I guess you would never use a taxi or a bus or train or plane since you are not in control.

hoop fam

 

[TripTango]

Have you ever been the victim of an accident? I was completely stopped at a light on a street where the speed limit was 35 and got rear ended hard enough to push my car into the one in front of me (no sex jokes, please). Everyone was okay, but I bet this occurrence happens hundreds of times a day and obviously some have worse consequences than just having to deal with insurance companies and body shops. I think that if it saves more lives in the long run, it would be worth it.

I have. The only accident I've ever been involved in was actually almost exactly as you described, except that there were no other cars ahead of me.

And you're absolutely right to prefer an automated, accident-free system -- IF you assume that the automated system will work perfectly 100% of the time. Humans are imperfect drivers, obviously. But when they fail, they tend to do so in isolation. You don't really have the potential for all drivers on the road to simultaneously lose consciousness, or simultaneously veer left, or suddenly forget where the road is. A networked, automated system would (potentially) be susceptible to these kinds of catastrophic failures, even if the day-to-day accidents were reduced.

I will take my chances with a large number of imperfect, but independent drivers over an automated, networked system any day. Or at least until Big Brother forcibly pries the wheel out of my hands.

 

[TripTango]

Yeah. I guess you would never use a taxi or a bus or train or plane since you are not in control.

hoop fam

Apples and oranges.

hoops fams

 

[magnifier661]

I have. The only accident I've ever been involved in was actually almost exactly as you described, except that there were no other cars ahead of me.

And you're absolutely right to prefer an automated, accident-free system -- IF you assume that the automated system will work perfectly 100% of the time. Humans are imperfect drivers, obviously. But when they fail, they tend to do so in isolation. You don't really have the potential for all drivers on the road to simultaneously lose consciousness, or simultaneously veer left, or suddenly forget where the road is. A networked, automated system would (potentially) be susceptible to these kinds of catastrophic failures, even if the day-to-day accidents were reduced.

I will take my chances with a large number of imperfect, but independent drivers over an automated, networked system any day. Or at least until Big Brother forcibly pries the wheel out of my hands.

U skird?

 

[TripTango]

U skird?

rl skird, bro

 

[magnifier661]

rl skird, bro

You can sleep at my place tonight. I will keep u warm

 

[TripTango]

You can sleep at my place tonight. I will keep u warm

u so sweat!

 

[magnifier661]

u so sweat!

It's just because you have soft ear lobes. I am a sucker for soft ear lobes.

 

[TripTango]

It's just because you have soft ear lobes. I am a sucker for soft ear lobes.

Thanks, but they actually aren't real... I got lobe enhancements put in years ago.

 

[Eastoff]

I'm pretty sure the automated cars are all self sufficient. Now if you could get some kind of virus into them all, that might be a problem.

 

[TripTango]

I'm pretty sure the automated cars are all self sufficient. Now if you could get some kind of virus into them all, that might be a problem.

Or a bug shared by most or all of the systems, or a failure in some shared navigational resource, etc...

But crucial, carefully-engineered systems like that NEVER have those kinds of critical flaws, amirite?

 

[Further]

Correct, the first wave of automated cars will most likely not be all networked together. Mostly because only a share of the cars on the road will be automated, not all. Also, with everything based on a camera system, not GPS, there is no need for any car2car communication.

Now down the road a ways, I assume that networking would come into play, but by that time the reasons would be the ubiquitous nature of automated cars and networking in that environment could lead to a near accident free environment.

 

[TripTango]

Correct, the first wave of automated cars will most likely not be all networked together. Mostly because only a share of the cars on the road will be automated, not all. Also, with everything based on a camera system, not GPS, there is no need for any car2car communication.

Now down the road a ways, I assume that networking would come into play, but by that time the reasons would be the ubiquitous nature of automated cars and networking in that environment could lead to a near accident free environment.

Read what I wrote.

 

[maxiep]

I have. The only accident I've ever been involved in was actually almost exactly as you described, except that there were no other cars ahead of me.

And you're absolutely right to prefer an automated, accident-free system -- IF you assume that the automated system will work perfectly 100% of the time. Humans are imperfect drivers, obviously. But when they fail, they tend to do so in isolation. You don't really have the potential for all drivers on the road to simultaneously lose consciousness, or simultaneously veer left, or suddenly forget where the road is. A networked, automated system would (potentially) be susceptible to these kinds of catastrophic failures, even if the day-to-day accidents were reduced.

I will take my chances with a large number of imperfect, but independent drivers over an automated, networked system any day. Or at least until Big Brother forcibly pries the wheel out of my hands.

Can you imagine how many hackers would be drawn to shutting down this system?

 

[TripTango]

Can you imagine how many hackers would be drawn to shutting down this system?

Answer: all of them.

 

[magnifier661]

Can you imagine how many hackers would be drawn to shutting down this system?

Not if it was powered by apple

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Not if it was powered by apple

Dude... their entire developer center is shut down because someone tried something and now Apple's freaking their shit out. Apple is *not* who I'd want protecting a net-based anything.

 

[Further]

I'm not saying I would be an early adopter, but I don't think I'd be a late adopter or a rejecter either. Once there is plenty data, the safety should be quite obvious. Right now for example, there are a out 10 traffic related deaths per 100,000 drivers per year. Lets say the number of automated deaths is down from 10/100,000 to 1/100,000. At that point the safety excuse would go out the window.

 

[blazerboy30]

I'm not saying I would be an early adopter, but I don't think I'd be a late adopter or a rejecter either. Once there is plenty data, the safety should be quite obvious. Right now for example, there are a out 10 traffic related deaths per 100,000 drivers per year. Lets say the number of automated deaths is down from 10/100,000 to 1/100,000. At that point the safety excuse would go out the window.

What TripTango is saying that all past data becomes meaningless when you create a system that can have correlated failures. So we could go 20 years with 1 accident per 1M drivers, but since it is now a correlated system, a single hacker/bug/failure could create a long-tail event that outweighs all the benefits of the last 20 years.

 

[Natebishop3]

Automated cars..... making the governments job so much easier when they want to "accidentally" kill someone

 

[TripTango]

What TripTango is saying that all past data becomes meaningless when you create a system that can have correlated failures. So we could go 20 years with 1 accident per 1M drivers, but since it is now a correlated system, a single hacker/bug/failure could create a long-tail event that outweighs all the benefits of the last 20 years.

Exactly. And furthermore, public opinion tends to be disproportionately swayed by low-frequency, high profile disasters (see nuclear power).

I just don't see it catching on, technically or socially, in our lifetimes.

 

[Further]

Exactly. And furthermore, public opinion tends to be disproportionately swayed by low-frequency, high profile disasters (see nuclear power).

I just don't see it catching on, technically or socially, in our lifetimes.

I see it being an incremental technology. Just like cruise control now, at first divers will just use the tech on long drives, not in traffic, and will start out very alert and ready to take over control. But as time marches forward, and people become familiar and comfortable with the tech, they will start switching it on more and more, freeing up time to surf the web, read, talk on the phone or whatever. I fully expect this tech to be ubiquitous in 25 years.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Can you imagine how many hackers would be drawn to shutting down this system?

great point

I was still thinking along the lines of the reliability aspect....and you have to bring up geek fun...