Would you do this trade?

[Denny Crane]

Blake, Outlaw, and Fernandez for Luol Deng?

I'd do Blake and Outlaw alone, but Portland would have to throw in a contract of Fernandez' size to make the deal work under the CBA.

 

[RayDavies]

Blake and Webster works... much rather do that-not sure Bulls would. There is no way Rudy is a throw-in unless the deal is for a real marquee player.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Yes. Don't listen to those that are homers and say no.



Blake and Outlaw shouldn't be re-signed after the season, so in reality it's Rudy for Deng, and this team needs Deng more than Rudy. Deng can play the 3 and 4, and is a better defender

 

[SpanishFly]

why do you want a very expensive and oft injured Deng when Martel is finally blossoming and Batum is due back very soon? Makes no sense man especially when our GLARING need is a solid PF/C for now and the future given Oden and Pryz's big question marks.

 

[crowTrobot]

no because of deng's contract

 

[RayDavies]

Yes. Don't listen to those that are homers and say no.



Blake and Outlaw shouldn't be re-signed after the season, so in reality it's Rudy for Deng, and this team needs Deng more than Rudy. Deng can play the 3 and 4, and is a better defender

No homer here. I just think that Rudy is more valuable than just a salary to make a trade for an oft-injured and overpaid player like Deng. Salary not being an issue, Rudy for Deng straight up would be fine w/ me. I think Outlaw will be re signed on the cheap after his injury- which will be a good thing. Why trade him as a cheap expiring when his value will be lower than normal due to a (possibly) season ending injury?

Just based on the pieces that would have to be involved from Portland's end, I don't make this trade. Too many years left on Deng's bloated contract. We need a consolidation, but why not shoot for Haywood (position of greater need) or Butler (upgrade)?

 

[craigehlo]

I'd do the trade since Deng is putting up nice stats and could really hurt opposing teams that chose to aggressively double team Roy.

 

[the ob]

Blake and Webster works... much rather do that-not sure Bulls would. There is no way Rudy is a throw-in unless the deal is for a real marquee player.

I agree with this. blake is expendable at this point and webster is never going to be consistent enough for me. rudy has upside still and value. deng is injured a lot and has an expensive contract so he is only attractive if he comes at a lower price.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Blake, Outlaw, and Fernandez for Luol Deng?
I'd do Blake and Outlaw alone, but Portland would have to throw in a contract of Fernandez' size to make the deal work under the CBA.

You do know that Luol Deng > Kobe Bryant, right?

Oh, and how's it working out for Ben Gordon in Detroit these days?

As for the trade: hmm. I like Deng but he's injury-prone. On the plus side, he puts up monster numbers at the 4, and he had that one great series against Miami. On the minus side I really like Rudy as a player, and I think trading Outlaw would be a major morale mistake. Outlaw is the soul of this team, which is otherwise composed of mostly introverts.

Would you do this trade (which works, but gives Chicago less cap space this Summer):

Deng for Blake and Webster?

OR, to be bolder:

Deng and Hinrich
for
Przybilla, Andre Miller, Blake and Webster
?

 

[RR7]

That second deal, with Joel and Andre hardly gives Chicago any more cap space at all. The point would be for them to clear cap space in the deal.

As for the original deal, if you'd do Blake and Outlaw alone, Blake, Outlaw Mills and Cunningham works.

 

[Kaydow]

Deng > Rudy. But he's always hurt. And his contract is very Lamarcus-ish.

I'm not a "Rudy Guy" per say, but we do need to have shooters around Roy and Bayless - no question. Take away Blake, Outlaw, Rudy and that pretty much leaves Martell - who isn't a consistent shooter. You might say that you can get a mid-level guy this summer that can bomb, or trade for one . . . I don't know. It doesn't do you a lot of good to go out and get a guy like Reddick or Kopono that are one dimensional. I wouldn't say the shooters we have now are "complete players", but they have some other value.

I'll pass on Deng.

 

[STOMP]

Deng > Rudy. But he's always hurt. And his contract is very Lamarcus-ish.

I'm not a "Rudy Guy" per say, but we do need to have shooters around Roy and Bayless - no question. Take away Blake, Outlaw, Rudy and that pretty much leaves Martell - who isn't a consistent shooter.

Batum shot the same % from deep last year as Martell's career number so...

LA and Dante are also solid perimeter shooters though they are usually a step or two inside the 3 point line. They spread the court nonetheless. btw... Aldridge is currently shooting 71% from 3's

STOMP

 

[Nikolokolus]

Blake, Outlaw, and Fernandez for Luol Deng?

I'd do Blake and Outlaw alone, but Portland would have to throw in a contract of Fernandez' size to make the deal work under the CBA.

Absolutely. and I'd do it yesterday.

Edit:
Deng is capable of playing small ball 4, has shooting range almost out to the 3 point line, rebounds pretty well for a 3/4 and while he is making a fair amount of money, I'd rather pay him 10-11 million a year versus paying Blake, Travis and Rudy a combined 9 million and have trouble finding minutes for everybody. If you're really worried about a log jam at the 3 just consider that either Nic or Martell have the defensive chops to play some backup shooting guard behind Brandon, and what it does most of all in my opinion is give this team some real versatility on the wing defensively and the ability to play "small" without being tiny and finally gives this team a pretty well defined 8-9 man rotation, with our 3 second round picks kept around for some emergency depth.

(Bold=major rotation player)
Miller/Bayless/Mills
Roy/Martell
Deng/Nic
LMA/Deng/Cunningham
Oden/Joel/Pendergraph

 

[Minstrel]

Blake, Outlaw, and Fernandez for Luol Deng?

In a heart beat.

I'd do Blake and Outlaw alone, but Portland would have to throw in a contract of Fernandez' size to make the deal work under the CBA.

I'm sure things could be arranged to allow Portland to keep Fernandez, if he weren't key for Chicago. But even with Fernandez...absolutely.

 

[ebott]

Blake, Outlaw, and Fernandez for Luol Deng?

In a heart beat.

+1

Deng is a big time player. He's in that same, probably never gonna be an all-star but is still really really good, category that I put LaMarcus in.

Even when we were healthy this team was often just Brandon, LaMarcus and a bunch of other guys. It would be pretty sweet if the team was Brandon, Deng, LaMarcus and a bunch of other guys.

 

[MARIS61]

No.

 

[Nikolokolus]

No brainer.

Fixed

 

[MrJayremmie]

(Bold=major rotation player)
Miller/Bayless/Mills
Roy/Martell
Deng/Nic
LMA/Deng/Cunningham
Oden/Joel/Pendergraph

Yes please! Sexy nine man rotation! I think with Martell stepping up, and Bayless getting more minutes, Rudy in the second unit isn't quite expendable, but he isn't as necessary as last season. I'd put him in a trade for Deng. I'm not even sure he will re-sign with us.

I wouldn't mind keeping Rudy, but that seems like the nice consolidation trade (that brings us back a nice piece) that we need, IMO.

 

[LittleAlex]

I thought I read somewhere that Deng has a broken Thumb. That means he has had a major injury every single season since he signed that big contract.

Deng when healthy would be cool. I just am not sure he would be.

It might be worth the risk though.

I would hem and haw over it and then probably pull the trigger.

Getting Blake out of town I consider a bonus.

 

[MIXUM]

stop coming up with trades... you all know damn well kpee..... see my sig

 

[Denny Crane]

With a broken thumb, Deng has missed 0 games, played 38:06 minutes/game, shot 46.2%, 40% from 3pt, 7.7 rebounds, 2.0 assists, 1 steal, and averages 17.4 PPG. He's played many 40+ minute games and typically guards opponents' best player.

Last night he shot 13-18, with 6 boards, for 27 points in 32.5 minutes.

The objective of this trade for the Bulls is to take back $1M-$2M less in salary so they remain under the cap, to get some additional cap space for the summer, and to get a guy who can play some backup SG and SF on a cheap contract (if only for 1-2 years).

Deng is 24 years old, and gives you a very solid 3-4-5 for years to come, considering the ages of him and Oden and LMA. You guys can actually make some noise in the playoffs this year, as he's a pretty big upgrade for you while you lose some depth at your strongest position (PG).

It leaves you with Miller, Roy, and Bayless, at least, at guards.

The Bulls would play Salmons at SF backed up by Rudy, and (ugh) Blake and Rose at guard backed up by Rudy.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

No.

Mainly for the fact that we have our SF of the future in Batum.

 

[Haakzilla]

...I would trade Blake, Miller, TO for Hinrich and T.Thomas all day!!!

 

[Natebishop3]

...I would trade Blake, Miller, TO for Hinrich and T.Thomas all day!!!

I'm actually not unhappy with Miller and Bayless. If we could get Deng and Thomas I would be psyched though.

Steve Blake, Travis Outlaw, and Joel Przybilla for Deng and Thomas.

 

[RoyToy]

The SF on this team absolutely needs to be able to knock down 3's. Deng doesn't provide that, plus I don't like his contract at all.

Good player, not a great fit for Portland.

 

[Denny Crane]

In another thread in the forum, one of you guys posted from Insider that the Bulls are talking to Toronto for Bosh. The deal mentioned was Hinrich and Thomas. If the Bulls pulled that off, dealing Deng for cap space would give the Bulls enough room to make a MAX contract pitch to one of the other top FAs.

Besides, I'd prefer Thomas to either Blake or Outlaw.

 

[Natebishop3]

In another thread in the forum, one of you guys posted from Insider that the Bulls are talking to Toronto for Bosh. The deal mentioned was Hinrich and Thomas. If the Bulls pulled that off, dealing Deng for cap space would give the Bulls enough room to make a MAX contract pitch to one of the other top FAs.

Besides, I'd prefer Thomas to either Blake or Outlaw.

But what about Joel Przybilla Denny?

 

[Denny Crane]

But what about Joel Przybilla Denny?

He's got a player option that he won't exercise.

If he were a UFA and the Bulls could sign him for MLE money, I'd love to see that happen.

 

[RoyToy]

Why wouldn't Przy exercise his option? It gives him a year to establish his value again while making some good money.

 

[Denny Crane]

I meant he wouldn't exercise the option to become a FA. The Bulls would be stuck paying his ~$7m salary next season, when they're looking for cap relief.