Would you give up Batum for an extented Nash?

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B-Roy said:
Nash isn't going to be in the league in 3 years. He couldn't even MAKE the finals with a healthy Amare and a bunch of other good pieces. What makes you think we can win it all with Nash and an even less talented supporting cast?
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If you put a defensive supporting cast you would. That Phoenix team didn't play a lick of d. Aldridge, Wallace and camby is a much better defensive unit than that team. Also teams in the west were much stronger than the ones now. And Phoenix had to go through San Antonio during those years, the best defensive team in the league. This year only lakers are a really good defensive team and they aren't going anywhere.
 
magnifier661 said:
If you put a defensive supporting cast you would. That Phoenix team didn't play a lick of d. Aldridge, Wallace and camby is a much better defensive unit than that team. Also teams in the west were much stronger than the ones now. And Phoenix had to go through San Antonio during those years, the best defensive team in the league. This year only lakers are a really good defensive team and they aren't going anywhere.
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Those teams were also extremely talented offensively, with a system that highlighted Nash's strengths. Portland....isn't. It's going to be Nash, Aldridge and a bunch of stragglers. Pair that with McMillans plodding offense, and I think it's very likely you don't get MVP level Nash. You can't just look at what Nash did well in Phoenix and expect it to happen here. There's a lot of variables and I don't think it's worth the risk to trade our second best player who's going to be 24, for a 3 year window that won't likely yield any results.

Also, I think this years OKC (let alone future years) team is close to the SA teams of years past.
 
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If you could just magically add Nash to this team, and McMillan let Nash run the offense his way, maybe you have something intriguing. Not a true title contender, but maybe a team could win a round or two of the playoffs with some breaks.

But trading for Nash? Losing some talent to get Nash would not yield a team capable of much more than making the playoffs and being quickly ejected. Right now, the Blazers have one great player and one good player in Aldridge and Batum. Adding another great player but losing the one good player would make the team better short-term, but not by enough to be worth the long-term downgrade of no longer having Batum.
 
B-Roy said:
Also, I think this years OKC (let alone future years) team is close to the SA teams of years past.
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Damn OKC! They need to improve their defense by a lot to be compared to the SA teams with Duncan in his prime. They have a great offensive 1-2 punch with some talented (Harden sixth man of the year) players to pick up on any given night but i'm just not getting the hype of that team. A good Big wrecks havoc with them and Westbrook can and will freeze Durant out a lot. If Westbrook and Durant clicked on a more solid basis then that team would really be very scary and they wouldn't even have to up there D. I don't know why they were playing better D last year then this year but its a problem for them that will come up in the playoffs.
The OKC team just doesn't scare me and make me think they will be coming out of the west.
 
B-Roy said:
Also, I think this years OKC (let alone future years) team is close to the SA teams of years past.
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Damn OKC! They need to improve their defense by a lot to be compared to the SA teams with Duncan in his prime. They have a great offensive 1-2 punch with some talented (Harden sixth man of the year) players to pick up on any given night but i'm just not getting the hype of that team. A good Big wrecks havoc with them and Westbrook can and will freeze Durant out a lot. If Westbrook and Durant clicked on a more solid basis then that team would really be very scary and they wouldn't even have to up there D. I don't know why they were playing better D last year then this year but its a problem for them that will come up in the playoffs.
The OKC team just doesn't scare me and make me think they will be coming out of the west.
 
Or you know, we could keep batum and overpay him at years end. If im portland I trade for nash if all it takes is felton and batum. ESPECIALLY if I knew batum wants a hell of a lot more money than im willing to give him. God knows someone would be dumb enough to cave into his demands this offseason.
 
B-Roy said:
Nash isn't going to be in the league in 3 years. He couldn't even MAKE the finals with a healthy Amare and a bunch of other good pieces. What makes you think we can win it all with Nash and an even less talented supporting cast?
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They would've made the Finals in 2005 if Joe Johnson didn't get hurt. And we have more talent than that team. Crash is better than Q-Rich. Aldridge is better than Amare.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Why would phoenix want oden? Fans are delusional if they think he still has any trade value.
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Phoenix would want Oden if there medical staff thinks they could fix him, but they wouldn't want him as anything but a throw in.
 
KingSpeed said:
They would've made the Finals in 2005 if Joe Johnson didn't get hurt. And we have more talent than that team. Crash is better than Q-Rich. Aldridge is better than Amare.
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I think you're forgetting how dominant Amare was back then. Of course much of that had to do with playing off of Nash but the guy was absolutely insane, averaged 30/11 in 15 games in the 2005 playoffs, 25/12 in the 07 playoffs. He was an animal pre-injuries and before he developed an outside game. Aldridge definitely a better creator for himself and probably a better defender by default but reobunding is about the same and Amare in those days was more dominant as a perfect compliment to Nash.
 
Run BJM said:
I think you're forgetting how dominant Amare was back then. Of course much of that had to do with playing off of Nash but the guy was absolutely insane, averaged 30/11 in 15 games in the 2005 playoffs, 25/12 in the 07 playoffs. He was an animal pre-injuries and before he developed an outside game. Aldridge definitely a better creator for himself and probably a better defender by default but reobunding is about the same and Amare in those days was more dominant as a perfect compliment to Nash.
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Id like to see what Nash does with LA because of how dominant Amare looked with Nash running the PnR with him. LA has no one to do that with him, most of his baskets he creates for himself. Give him an all star guard and I think LA would be downright scary.
 
Rhal said:
Id like to see what Nash does with LA because of how dominant Amare looked with Nash running the PnR with him. LA has no one to do that with him, most of his baskets he creates for himself. Give him an all star guard and I think LA would be downright scary.
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LA is not a good PnR player. He doesn't set good screens and doesn't like rolling.
 
Run BJM said:
I think you're forgetting how dominant Amare was back then. Of course much of that had to do with playing off of Nash but the guy was absolutely insane, averaged 30/11 in 15 games in the 2005 playoffs, 25/12 in the 07 playoffs. He was an animal pre-injuries and before he developed an outside game. Aldridge definitely a better creator for himself and probably a better defender by default but reobunding is about the same and Amare in those days was more dominant as a perfect compliment to Nash.
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Aldridge would be at least that good playing with Nash. Nash is still an All Star. Amare is not.
 
Batum for Nash is one of the dumber ideas I've heard in quite some time. That would be horrible move.
 
Nash would be GREAT in Portland if:

We still had Aldridge and Batum.

We didn't have Nate.

Anything else is treading water.

BNM
 
Rhal said:
Damn OKC! They need to improve their defense by a lot to be compared to the SA teams with Duncan in his prime. They have a great offensive 1-2 punch with some talented (Harden sixth man of the year) players to pick up on any given night but i'm just not getting the hype of that team. A good Big wrecks havoc with them and Westbrook can and will freeze Durant out a lot. If Westbrook and Durant clicked on a more solid basis then that team would really be very scary and they wouldn't even have to up there D. I don't know why they were playing better D last year then this year but its a problem for them that will come up in the playoffs.
The OKC team just doesn't scare me and make me think they will be coming out of the west.
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A good big used to give them fits. After they got Perkins it hasn't been like that.

They are a solid team because they play good D, are long and have dynamic scorers. Its a good mix. Brooks is an underrated coach, too.
 
MickZagger said:
A good big used to give them fits. After they got Perkins it hasn't been like that.

They are a solid team because they play good D, are long and have dynamic scorers. Its a good mix. Brooks is an underrated coach, too.
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Perkins gets in foul trouble a lot, at least this year. Also there D hasnt been as good as it was last year. Still good but not a top tier D team.
 
Rhal said:
Perkins gets in foul trouble a lot, at least this year. Also there D hasnt been as good as it was last year. Still good but not a top tier D team.
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Good is all they really have to be on defense when they have the best offense in the league (atleast top 3).
 
I don't think he'd want to sign for a short contract and I'm still not convinced that Nash puts us over the top. I'd rather try to throw big money at a young star.
 
Na, Keep Batum and just trade for another 27 + point guard that throws up bricks. :lol:
Keep Batum and LaMarcus as our rebuilding team for another year as we still search for a clutch player that acts like Roy.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'd rather try to throw big money at a young star.
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Really, you think Nate's system goes after a young star in the bake it concept? I think not. LOL. Wishful thinking. Even if Portland plays a frosh/soph player in a blowout win (20 points midway in the 3rd quarter) he only plays them less than 10 minutes anyhow. And even if Nate stresses out if the lead is cut to 10 within a few minutes he freaks out and puts back in the starters.

Charlotte is the perfect example why Nate fails as a coach and didn't give Williams, N Smith, Babbitt and Chris Johnson more experience in that game.
 
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The way Nic has been playing lately; he is almost about as untouchable as Aldridge now.
 
Nate Dogg said:
Charlotte is the perfect example why Nate fails as a coach and didn't give Williams, N Smith, Babbitt and Chris Johnson more experience in that game.
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If that game is Exhibit A, then last week's Clips debacle is Exhibit B. Nico leads us to a big lead, so Nate takes the air out of the ball, stops going to him, and instead calls Crawchuck's number 20 times in a row until finally the game is lost. I don't know, maybe Nate has been instructed to tank for a lotto pick. I just don't know.
 
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