Exclusive Would you have included Sharpe to get something done?

[Pinwheel1]

Well even though Joe said he doesn't think Dame will demand a trade one of the contingencies discussed if we made and kept all three picks might have been Dame asking for a trade. Joe seemed to really be selling Scoot and just saying shit that made very little sense when asked about how Scoot, Dame and Shaedon really work together. He even offered up some weakass nonsense about Chauncey having to figure that out but conceded that they are both 1s.

Yes it sounded weird because he didn't want to say in a press conference that the minutes will open up when Ant is traded.

 

[blazerkor]

It's not surprising to me that Brooklyn turned down 3/Ant for Bridges.

Listening to Mike Richman and he basically said that they turned it down because they want Dame.

And unlike any other delusional team that had that same plan like even Miami, the Nets have the picks, rights to two really nice rookies, Claxton and expiring contracts to land Dame in a deal that would really help our rebuild.

 

[Pinwheel1]

And unlike any other delusional team that had that same plan like even Miami, the Nets have the picks, rights to two really nice rookies, Claxton and expiring contracts to land Dame in a deal that would really help our rebuild.

The irony for the Nets/Dame scenario is they will not be any better than the Blazers if we got Simmons, Claxton, and picks.

 

[Natebishop3]

The irony for the Nets/Dame scenario is they will not be any better than the Blazers if we got Simmons, Claxton, and picks.

True but Brooklyn can actually attract free agents. We..... cannot.

 

[Predator]

No, and partially because he’s the only actual SG on the roster.

 

[maxiep]

I also suspect that Dame will ask out but hey maybe Joe will be able to pull something off in the next couple of weeks that changes things, I just really doubt Dame is going to be in a very receptive mood after Joe did the opposite of what he asked for. It seems to me that the last time Joe talked to Dame the plan was still to not continue the youth movement and get Dame big time proven help. Maybe Joe, Chauncey and Dame covered this contingency but Cronin didn't even say that.

I don't think we're party to every conversation. I can't imagine that Dame doesn't know absolutely everything the Blazers' FO knows. My guess is that he's essentially a co-GM and they get his input on every trade. Now if Dame wanted to pull the trigger on something that would gut this franchise and the rest of the front office viewed it as not enough to give us a real chance to compete even for a second-round appearance, then I could see Dame asking out.

All of the above being said, I don't think Dame was surprised last night. I think the message was we're drafting best available to gather trade assets to maximize our trade assets. And partially, if Dame wants to stay, he needs to lobby free agents he wants to come to Portland.

 

[Stevenson]

Interesting that we all see something special, extra, in Sharpe.

 

[wizenheimer]

I just want to know where people stand, because there have been more than a few people who are upset that Joe didn't get something done. I have heard a few people call him a liar. I have heard a few people say we should have taken back less value on Scoot to get something done.

If the sticking point was Sharpe.... are you saying that you think he should have pulled the trigger?

I think people have gone way overboard in slamming Cronin as incompetent. I think that's mostly bullshit. It could be true he's in a bit over his head, and this current time, with the Dame situation, is probably not a good time to have a GM learning on the job

but what exactly has Cronin done that has been an obvious failure?

 

[Paine Tablet]

I think people have gone way overboard in slamming Cronin as incompetent. I think that's mostly bullshit. It could be true he's in a bit over his head, and this current time, with the Dame situation, is probably not a good time to have a GM learning on the job

but what exactly has Cronin done that has been an obvious failure?

tanking is an obvious failure. definitively.

 

[Natebishop3]

I think people have gone way overboard in slamming Cronin as incompetent. I think that's mostly bullshit. It could be true he's in a bit over his head, and this current time, with the Dame situation, is probably not a good time to have a GM learning on the job

but what exactly has Cronin done that has been an obvious failure?

The LAC trade was REALLY bad..... but I have a feeling that wasn't his decision and he was still an interim GM at that point. Dude wanted to keep the job and I suspect if he didn't make that trade, he wouldn't have kept the job.

 

[Chris Craig]

I like how, if you read the idiots on twitter, it's somehow Cronins fault that New Orleans wanted Simons, #3 and Sharpe for Zion, and that he didn't take the trade.

Probably Pelicans fans.

NO was trying to walk all over Cronin again. Can't blame them after getting CJ for nothing. Would have been nice to get Zion in a fair deal, but glad Cronin didn't acquiesce and take a shit deal.

 

[Chris Craig]

The LAC trade was REALLY bad..... but I have a feeling that wasn't his decision and he was still an interim GM at that point. Dude wanted to keep the job and I suspect if he didn't make that trade, he wouldn't have kept the job.

And they came back for more trying to send us PG13 for Ant, Shaedon, and #3. No thanks. So much for doing favors. Meaningless in this league.

 

[wizenheimer]

NO was trying to walk all over Cronin again. Can't blame them after getting CJ for nothing. .

c'mon man...that's complete BS. Cronin got Hart, a 1st round pick, and the TPE for Grant from the CJ trade. That's Portland coming out on top of a deal, not the bottom, because CJ didn't have much value then, or much value now. The Pelicans are so happy with CJ that after a year of seeing him as the starting PG they were desperate to trade for a rookie PG

 

[wizenheimer]

The LAC trade was REALLY bad..... but I have a feeling that wasn't his decision and he was still an interim GM at that point. Dude wanted to keep the job and I suspect if he didn't make that trade, he wouldn't have kept the job.

I agree with that except for the REALLY bad label. RoCo had almost no value....like in the 2nd round pick level, yop-40 protected. That leaves Powell and I have never seen any evidence there were good deals out there for him, not on that 90M contract. Ballmer may have been the only owner willing to pay that much for a backup, and after the inclusion of the 2nd apron in the new CBA I think 18M/year for a bad-defense-backup SG will be an obsolete role

 

[Chris Craig]

c'mon man...that's complete BS. Cronin got Hart, a 1st round pick, and the TPE for Grant from the CJ trade. That's Portland coming out on top of a deal, not the bottom, because CJ didn't have much value then, or much value now. The Pelicans are so happy with CJ that after a year of seeing him as the starting PG they were desperate to trade for a rookie PG

Now Kris Murray and Grant who we were lucky to get with that crappy future pick. We didn't get the Pels pick because it was protected. We also got their refuse. We will have to see if Grant re-signs if not, we basically traded CJ for Kris Murray. That's not coming out ahead.

 

[Natebishop3]

I agree with that except for the REALLY bad label. RoCo had almost no value....like in the 2nd round pick level, yop-40 protected. That leaves Powell and I have never seen any evidence there were good deals out there for him, not on that 90M contract. Ballmer may have been the only owner willing to pay that much for a backup, and after the inclusion of the 2nd apron in the new CBA I think 18M/year for a bad-defense-backup SG will be an obsolete role

ROCO was a free agent so we could have just.... let him expire.

I will never be convinced that trading Norm was a good move. His deal was not a bad deal. He's a very productive player. We could have waited until the offseason. Or kept him and had his contract to help make deals now. I will never accept that trading him A WEEK before the deadline was a solid move. And we got jack shit for him. Stupid stupid stupid. And I don't think it was Cronin's idea.

 

[Pinwheel1]

We will have to see if Grant re-signs if not, we basically traded CJ for Kris Murray. That's not coming out ahead.

If that is the case he also cut CJ's 36 million contract. (33 and 30 million the 2 years after). That does affect future moves.

 

[Chris Craig]

If that is the case he also cut CJ's 35 million contract. (33 and 30 million the 2 years after). That does affect future moves.

With one asset in return. Though, I guess it affords us another, but still. That wasn't a great deal and it's getting worse.

 

[wizenheimer]

Now Kris Murray and Grant who we were lucky to get with that crappy future pick. We didn't get the Pels pick because it was protected. We also got their refuse. We will have to see if Grant re-signs if not, we basically traded CJ for Kris Murray. That's not coming out ahead.

but that's the nature of trades isn't it?. You assign value based upon what you get in the trade. If a team makes a solid trade for an all-star who has missed about 10 games in 7 years and two weeks later he blows out his Achilles and is never the same, that doesn't mean the value of the trade changes. It just means that as time passes circumstances can change

Portland rolled the dice and landed Hart and Grant, knowing both were expiring contracts in 2023. If you go to BBREF and call up the list of all NBA contracts, after you get past the all-star level players and rookie extensions, you'd see that the average length of contract are less than 2 seasons. it's the nature of the game because not every GM is as big an idiot as Olshey giving out 4 and 5 year deals to role-players and scrubs

When Portland traded for Hart they couldn't really know how his wife was going to react to living in Portland. And they traded for Grant with the idea of pairing him with Dame. If Dame was happy, grant would almost certainly re-sign. But there's mystery in the air that couldn't be smelled 12 months ago

 

[e_blazer]

The LAC trade was REALLY bad..... but I have a feeling that wasn't his decision and he was still an interim GM at that point. Dude wanted to keep the job and I suspect if he didn't make that trade, he wouldn't have kept the job.

How bad is a trade that allows you to offload an albatross $90M contract and a player on an expiring contract that you don’t plan to re-sign? Then factor in that said players came off the bench for a team that got bounced in the first round.

 

[Natebishop3]

offload an albatross $90M contract

I just flatly disagree with this statement. Norm is a good player. That's a smaller contract than Simons or Tyler Herro.

 

[wizenheimer]

With one asset in return. Though, I guess it affords us another, but still. That wasn't a great deal and it's getting worse.

how the fuck is it getting worse?

would you rather have CJ than Sharpe and Scoot?

 

[e_blazer]

I just flatly disagree with this statement. Norm is a good player. That's a smaller contract than Simons or Tyler Herro.

Norm’s a good player, but he’s a tweener. That’s why he comes off the bench. How many bench players in the NBA are there with a 5 year $90M contract?

 

[Chris Craig]

how the fuck is it getting worse?

would you rather have CJ than Sharpe and Scoot?

I'm saying what we got back.

 

[Sloth]

Sharpe can be an exceptional player and a backcourt with him and Scoot if Dame does go, is quite tasty to think about. Young yes but if they work their talents well together, can really be one of the best backcourts in the league.

 

[Natebishop3]

Norm’s a good player, but he’s a tweener. That’s why he comes off the bench. How many bench players in the NBA are there with a 5 year $90M contract?

So is Simons.

So is Herro.

Powell is way more efficient than either of those players.



Here is Powell's contract.



Here is Herro



Here is Simons.



Minutes per game
Norm - 26
Simons - 35
Herro - 35

 

[e_blazer]

So is Simons.

So is Herro.

Powell is way more efficient than either of those players.

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Here is Powell's contract.

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Here is Herro

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Here is Simons.

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Minutes per game
Norm - 26
Simons - 35
Herro - 35

Simons and Herro are young players that some believe have quite a bit of upside. Norm is what Norm is: an established role player. Obviously, on some poorer teams he can start, but on any competitive team he’s a quality bench player.

 

[Natebishop3]

Simons and Herro are young players that some believe have quite a bit of upside. Norm is what Norm is: an established role player. Obviously, on some poorer teams he can start, but on any competitive team he’s a quality bench player.

Yeah but he’s paid like it. Herro is grossly overpaid for what he is.

 

[e_blazer]

Yeah but he’s paid like it. Herro is grossly overpaid for what he is.

I don't think most teams would have a problem with Norm's average annual salary on the contract Olshey gave him. It was the five year commitment for a guy that's not a star.

 

[maxiep]

The mistake was trading for RoCo and Powell. The trades for them were so bad, we had to take another negative trade just to get rid of them.

It's really tough to read whether a player will quit on you before you make a trade. RoCo just stopped trying.