Would You Take This?

[ABM]

2009/2010 Roster:

Heinrich/Bayless/Mills

Roy/Fernandez

Turkoglu/Webster/Batum

Aldridge/Pendergraph

Oden/Przybilla

 

[Idog1976]

2009/2010 Roster:

Heinrich/Bayless/Mills

Roy/Fernandez

Turkoglu/Webster/Batum

Aldridge/Pendergraph

Oden/Przybilla

Can you magically transform Hedo into Prince? If so deal! Hedo isn't the defensive presence we need at the 3.


Post Edit -

How about a line up of:

Sessions/Bayless
Roy/Bayless/Webster
Prince/Batum/Webster
LMA/Pendergraph
Oden/Przybilla

You get Prince for Blake, Outlaw, Fernandez and some future picks or the rights to Claver.

With this team you win 60 or more and you compete immediately with LA for the ring. The East Coast would look on in horror at whoever came out of the West.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I'd rather have:

Hinrich/Bayless/Mills

Roy/Fernandez

Turkoglu/Webster/Batum

Aldridge/Blair

Oden/Przybilla

But that's not going to happen. Plus, Pendergraph is rumored to be going to the Bulls in a deal that would land us Hinrich. So, it would look more like this:

Hinrich/Bayless/Mills

Roy/Fernandez

Turkoglu/Webster/Batum

Aldridge/Cunningham (or ?????)

Oden/Przybilla

BNM

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Hedo > Prince

That team would be dangerous. Yes, I'll take that roster

I hope KP has his sights set a little higher than Hinrich, though.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Can you magically transform Hedo into Prince? If so deal! Hedo isn't the defensive presence we need at the 3.

Neither is Prince (anymore). His DRtg was 110 this year. That's worse than Outlaw's 109, Batum's 107 and equal to the 110 Martell posted in 2007-08.

Perhaps it's a one year aberration, but Prince's defense has been in decline for several years and isn't nearly what it was early in his career. At this point, the assumption that Tayshaun Prince is a good defender is based more on reputation than performance.

And, by the way, Hedo's DRtg was 104 this season.

BNM

 

[Mediocre Man]

TCBM, that roster competes for titles next year.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I'd take it and run.

If the Blazers manage to get one or two of Hinrich, Kidd, Turkoglu, Prince, Miller and/or Artest and in the process manage to retain all of their core (Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Bayless, Przybilla) then I think you've made this a much much better team moving forward.

This is going to be an exciting summer.

 

[Idog1976]

Neither is Prince (anymore). His DRtg was 110 this year. That's worse than Outlaw's 109, Batum's 107 and equal to the 110 Martell posted in 2007-08.

Perhaps it's a one year aberration, but Prince's defense has been in decline for several years and isn't nearly what it was early in his career. At this point, the assumption that Tayshaun Prince is a good defender is based more on reputation than performance.

And, by the way, Hedo's DRtg was 104 this season.

BNM

I do believe it's a one year aberration Prince is 29 and should be in his prime, but unlike Turkoglu his team is not a Championship contender. Far from it, Detroit was absolutely imploding this year and I think it impacted him and Rip Hamilton. Chauncey was clearly the soul of that team and they replaced him with *shudder* Allen Iverson. AI is an all world talent and an all world locker room killer. I think you see a Pau like rebound with a happier Prince on a Contender. I think Prince is undervalued right now a "Fallen Angel". Prince should give you 2 to 3 solid year at the Small Forward as Batum slowly took over possibly even in 2010/11. I think Prince could provide good back up minutes. Bruce Bowen was a great defender into his mid-thirties there is no reason to think this is anything other then a reflection of him playing out of position (PG? WTF?) and being on a team in turmoil. I think there is great value there.

As for Hedo his best skill is his extreme clutchness. Nothing wrong with that just that Brandon needs to be the guy to take the shot at the buzzer not Hedo. If Hedo isn't your clutch guy then I think he's a tad over rated. I didn't know he had a better defensive rating that's interesting...I still stand by the theory that Prince is undervalued. I wouldn't be opposed to Hedo. I definitely prefer Sessions to Hinrich.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

2009/2010 Roster:

Heinrich/Bayless/Mills

Roy/Fernandez

Turkoglu/Webster/Batum

Aldridge/Pendergraph

Oden/Przybilla

Well that would be a successful off-season. I'd assume we gave up Outlaw and Blake for Hinrich and sign Turk. I would take that if, for logical reasons, Artest, T. Ariza, Childress, Deng couldn't be brought in. I've given up on Gerald Wallace and Tayshaun Prince. I've come to the conclusion that Portland's only willing to make a move if the cost is Steve Blake, Travis Outlaw, and any of our second rounders or overseas guys.

Hinrich and Artest is the best off season we'll have. My fingers are crossed that Pritchard feels comfortable bringing "crazy" into the fold. Personally, I don't think he's a loose cannon. I rather like him.

 

[Minstrel]

I'd take it, but it's not my ideal roster for next season (even factoring in realism). Turkoglu has his strengths, but I think he's being significantly overrated due to his impressive playoff performances this season.

Still Hinrich and Turkoglu are both very solid players and would improve the team significantly. I just think the team can be even better positioned for next season and seasons after.

PG: Sessions / Bayless
SG: Roy / Fernandez
SF: Batum / Outlaw / Webster
PF: Aldridge / Pendergraph
C: Oden / Przybilla

I'd be pretty happy with that.

 

[Idog1976]

I'd take it, but it's not my ideal roster for next season (even factoring in realism). Turkoglu has his strengths, but I think he's being significantly overrated due to his impressive playoff performances this season.

Still Hinrich and Turkoglu are both very solid players and would improve the team significantly. I just think the team can be even better positioned for next season and seasons after.

PG: Sessions / Bayless
SG: Roy / Fernandez
SF: Batum / Outlaw / Webster
PF: Aldridge / Pendergraph
C: Oden / Przybilla

I'd be pretty happy with that.

yes, I really want Session and Bayless as the PG rotation. That lineup is fantastic as long as everyone is ok with their minutes/future minutes (Bayless and Rudy). Other then that I love it!

Edit:

Oh dear lord I missed that you included Outlaw NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Even if that third SF slot isn't filled so be it!

 

[Crimson the Cat]

PG: Sessions / Bayless

This is just my gut feeling, but I don't think Pritch/Nate will replace Blake with Sessions, even if Sessions is now/and in the future the superior player. I believe it all comes down to experience. Without it, I fear Pritch will pass.

 

[Minstrel]

Oh dear lord I missed that you included Outlaw NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Even if that third SF slot isn't filled so be it!

Outlaw isn't a good starter, due to his limitations, but he's definitely a nice luxury to have off the bench. Few teams have a guy who can create their own shot like Outlaw can, coming off the bench.

Yes, he doesn't do much else well, but most bench players can't create their own shot (Martell Webster is a case in point). Even Rudy can only sporadically do it. He's streaky (which makes him a bad starter) but his average production is quite decent.

 

[Idog1976]

This is just my gut feeling, but I don't think Pritch/Nate will replace Blake with Sessions, even if Sessions is now/and in the future the superior player. I believe it all comes down to experience. Without it, I fear Pritch will pass.

Since when has KP valued experience over talent? Sessions fits the window. Unless you are absolutely certain that Bayless is the future in which case I guess you go with Hinrich. Turkoglu is intriguing since apparently his defense is better then I thought.

I like what Ministrel said above minus Outlaw trade him for picks anything who cares? Cut him? I prefer a trade but I don't ever want to see Outlaw shoot in the playoffs again and what is Outlaw without his shot?

 

[oldmangrouch]

2009/2010 Roster:

Heinrich/Bayless/Mills

Roy/Fernandez

Turkoglu/Webster/Batum

Aldridge/Pendergraph

Oden/Przybilla

While neither Hinrich nor Hedo would be my first choice, there is no doubt we would be a better team.

My only caveat - if Joel or Oden miss any significant amount of time to injuries, and we had to rely on Pendergraph to play more than 10-12 minutes a game, we would be in deep trouble.

 

[SheedSoNasty]

While neither Hinrich nor Hedo would be my first choice, there is no doubt we would be a better team.

My only caveat - if Joel or Oden miss any significant amount of time to injuries, and we had to rely on Pendergraph to play more than 10-12 minutes a game, we would be in deep trouble.

Would it be possible to retain Frye or sign a 3rd string F/C?

 

[Nikolokolus]

Would it be possible to retain Frye or sign a 3rd string F/C?

Sure but why the hell would Frye want to sign for the league minimum in the middle of July back to the team that renounced his rights and has little to no need for him? Frye is going to be an unrestricted free agent in a week or so and he's going to get offered at least 2 million per year to play for some team that has no power forwards legitimately taller than 6'9" -- Somebody will take him, guaranteed.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Since when has KP valued experience over talent?

I didn't think this was so until after the draft, but after the additions of Cunningham and Pendergraph, with some younger talent still on the board, I'm thinking he's more interested in adding players that can play now and have been in the Playoffs.

Again it's just my gut feeling.

 

[<-=*PdX*=->]

Miller/Bayless
Roy/Fernandez
Turkoglu/Batum/Webster
Aldridge/Pendergraph
Oden/Pryz

That would be a sexy roster! Championship!

 

[ucatchtrout]

2009/2010 Roster:

Heinrich/Bayless/Mills

Roy/Fernandez

Turkoglu/Webster/Batum

Aldridge/Pendergraph

Oden/Przybilla

No.

First of all I don't see Heinrich as much of an upgrade over Blake. Secondly, although I like Hedo Turkoglu, I don't see him fitting in all that well with Nate McMillians system. Hedo, whoever our point guard is, and Brandon Roy can't all have the ball at the same time. And Turkoglu isn't a very good defender.

 

[ucatchtrout]

Sure but why the hell would Frye want to sign for the league minimum in the middle of July back to the team that renounced his rights and has little to no need for him?

Only reason would be that he would see his future in Portland as being a part of the Blazer Broadcasting crew. I like Channing, but as a player he doesn't work with this team. He is by all accounts a stand up guy, and I would like to see him here when he retires. I do think he would be terrific on tv or radio.

 

[Da_O]

2009/2010 Roster:

Heinrich/Bayless/Mills

Roy/Fernandez

Turkoglu/Webster/Batum

Aldridge/Pendergraph

Oden/Przybilla

Absolutely, that would put us up with the elite in my opinion. Hinrich can provide good perimeter defense, and when he tries so can Roy. Turkoglu isn't the best defender but he is a smart defender with good timing. And he could force other wings into our bigs.

 

[Da_O]

I just really don't want Sessions. He's going to get overpaid due to a weak FA class, and he has no jumpshot. I'd take Hinrich over him any day, and that way we could also develop Bayless behind him, who I'm not convinced can't be as good or better than Sessions.

I also believe Prince's defense has been overrated for years.

 

[number 10]

There are a few PG/SF combos that I'd kill for:
Hinrich/Turkey glue - a defensive player at PG, an offensive player at SF
Sessions, Nash, Miller/Prince, Artest - see above, with the positions reversed

We don't need to add two offensive players though, our defense was already bad enough, take Batum out of the starting lineup and it's a whole lot worse.

 

[azsun67]

2009/2010 Roster:

Heinrich/Bayless/Mills

Roy/Fernandez

Turkoglu/Webster/Batum

Aldridge/Pendergraph

Oden/Przybilla

Yes, that is my favorite realistic roster going into next season. The only addition I make is we also sign a vet PF (joe Smith,??) for the vet minimum.

 

[Masbee]

2009/2010 Roster:

Heinrich/Bayless/Mills

Roy/Fernandez

Turkoglu/Webster/Batum

Aldridge/Pendergraph

Oden/Przybilla

Would I take it? Yes.

Not the ideal dream off-season, but I would take it.

Hinrich upgrades the point guard spot and adds defense to the perimeter.

We lose Sergio, but he gave the team little. Replace his spot with a steady journeyman that Nate can feel comfortable with in case of injury and that may teach Bayless a trick or two.

We lose Blake's outside shooting, but Hinrich is almost as good, and Blake's camp in the corner role is taken over by Rudy, and by committee: Hinrich, Batum, Webster, Turk. I think the thought that we will sorely miss Blake's outside shooting is overstated with this roster.

Turk is not a great defender, but we can improve the overall defense of the SF spot by using Turk's IQ, size and length to our advantage (hint, take away guy's dominant hand and guide them into our shot blockers), by the expected improvement in Batum, and by trading away Outlaw a below average defender.

I would tweak it a bit, and let's assume that Pendergraph is traded to Chicago along with Blake and Outlaw. So, for backup 4 we need to get the best old vet we can with the minimum salary. Hopefully they would be a good one with some legs left. McDyess is ideal, but won't happen. When all healthy, we would also see a lot of Turkoglu at the 4 spot - either when LaMarcus sits or for small ball with LaMarcus at the 5.

In reality, with that roster, Turk would likely be best coming off the bench with Batum starting. Or, you could make Turk the nominal starter for PR/ego reasons, but play him with the second unit a lot.

Hinrich / Bayless / Journeyman

Roy / Fernandez / (Bayless)

Turkoglu / Batum / Webster

LaMarcus / (Turkoglu) / Old Veteran

Oden / Pryzbilla

Assuming that Bayless and Batum develop like we hope/expect that would project to a possible playoff rotation when fully healthy of 9 players. Hinrich, Roy, Turk, LaMarcus, Oden, Bayless, Rudy, Batum, Pryz. That is what you look for.

Time to consolidate!

Moves to get this lineup: Trade Blake, Outlaw and Pendergraph (and Clavel if needed) to Chicago for Hinrich.
Renounce Freeland/Kop if need cap space. Sign Turkoglu as a free agent.
Sign journeyman point guard to minimum vet salary, which is all the team has to offer.
Sign old veteran big to minimum vet salary, which is all team has to offer.

 

[Public Defender]

So the original proposal is basically to upgrade Blake to Hinrich, and upgrade Outlaw to Turkoglu. I guess the Blazers do that by getting the Magic to sign-and-trade Turkoglu, taking back Steve Blake, and saving money? And the Bulls, as has been rumored already, would take Travis Outlaw for Kirk Hinrich, with the Blazers using their cap room to accept the difference in salary?

Assuming those both work, those are both small upgrades as far as the Blazers are concerned, and only the acquisition of Turkoglu would do anything to shrink the Blazers' championship window. However, considering either Nicolas Batum or Martell Webster is likely to emerge as a dependable small forward for the future (or both), it's not a bad idea to take advantage of a vet SF for a couple of years. In the unlikely event that neither Batum nor Webster solidifies as a good SF of the future - it's a position that's easier to fill than practically any other, so no big deal.

I'd miss both Outlaw and Blake - Outlaw for his occasional breakout games and Blake for his steadiness and intelligence - but I think Turkoglu and Hinrich would more than make up for it.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I'd like to see:

Hinrich/Bayless
Roy/Rudy
Gerald Wallace/Batum
LMA/ G. Wallace (wallace starting at 3 and backing up 4)
Oden/Przybilla

That would be a pretty good defensive 9 man rotation.

 

[Minstrel]

That would be a pretty good defensive 9 man rotation.

With no drop-off from what was a top offensive unit. Might even improve a bit offensively.

A top offensive unit with a better than average defensive unit...seems title-caliber to me.

That's why I think people are undervaluing Hinrich. Portland is not that far from being title-caliber. Going from bad defense to good defense at point guard and keeping Oden on the floor more minutes could be enough to propel the team to elite.

 

[Masbee]

I'd like to see:

Hinrich/Bayless
Roy/Rudy
Gerald Wallace/Batum
LMA/ G. Wallace (wallace starting at 3 and backing up 4)
Oden/Przybilla

Cept, there is a problem:

Turkoglu is an unrestricted free agent, with the rare situation of his current team being out of the running for either resigning him or any sort of sign-and-trade. For the Blazers to obtain Turk, they only have to outbid the other few teams with cap space: none of which seem as good a fit for Turk (as things now stand).

It sure seems like Turk is there for the Blazers IF they want him. And, it only costs them cap space.

Wallace on the other hand is not a free agent. How do we use our cap space to pry him away from the Bobcats? Salary relief alone won't be enough for the Bobcats. The rumour was they demanded Batum. Maybe you talk them into Bayless. So, the Blazers 9 man rotation will be missing one of the super-subs. I don't think you can sub Wallace for Turk AND still keep all of Batum, Bayless and Rudy.

It seems the Blazers the choice might be Turk in a nice looking 9 man rotation or Gerald Wallace in a nice looking 8 man rotation. Considering Wallace's injury history, that would be tough.