Would you trade a package that centered on Nik Batum for Monta Ellis?

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I'm not a fan of Ellis, and I like Batum, but if those were the only two players of consequence, then I think you'd have to make that deal. Ellis is still only 25 and his ability to score is pretty remarkable. Batum might end up being--with a different skill set--a player as good as Ellis is now, so the trade would be worth it to reduce uncertainty for the Blazers.

Ed O.
 
I'm not opposed to trading for Ellis. I'm not even opposed to trading some value for Ellis. I don't put Nic in the deal, though. :dunno:
 
Mixum and MM, do you see the uptick from going from Miller to Ellis at PG (especially in Nate's offense) being that much higher than the drop we're going to have going from Batum starting to...who, exactly? Rudy? Dante? Babbitt? Smallball with Miller/Ellis/Wes? Seriously?

Like I said, Ellis is a good player, but I don't think he's what we need (as constructed). As a convenience pick-up, sure...but not worth giving up LMA or Batum for.
 
6'3", 185lb shooting guards, even if they can score in big bunches, leave me cold. Just too much of a defensive liability. I also think that Nic has so much potential due to his offensive and defensive talents that giving him up would in the long run prove to be a massive mistake.
 
Ed O said:
I'm not a fan of Ellis, and I like Batum, but if those were the only two players of consequence, then I think you'd have to make that deal. Ellis is still only 25 and his ability to score is pretty remarkable. Batum might end up being--with a different skill set--a player as good as Ellis is now, so the trade would be worth it to reduce uncertainty for the Blazers.

Ed O.
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Except for one problem - the salaries don't match. Thus, we would lose "a player of consequence" or one of our ending contracts, or both in Miller's case.

Is it worth it then?
 
I don't like hypothetical trade scenarios, but this is a intriguing one. Damn it is tempting. It is a pretty good trade for both teams.

Even though I think Miller runs a team better than most PG's in the league, I think I would roll the dice with it. Worse case scenario (Roy out) I would have Ellis, Wes, DC, LMA and Camby start. (3 scorers and two rollplayers) For some match ups you could start Rudy and move Wes over to the three.

I like Batum a lot, and I know I stated before that you would need to put Monta at the SG position, but I think Ellis at the PG could work.

The question to me is what is harder to find over the summer, a good defensive sf (Nic) or an excellent scoring PG? (Monta)

If Roy ever played again, Ellis, Roy, Wes, Camby/Oden and LMA would be pretty good next year.
 
It's real simple. Would Golden State consider this deal or hang up the phone? My guess is that it would be the latter rather than the former. So: yes, I would make that deal.
 
Masbee said:
Except for one problem - the salaries don't match. Thus, we would lose "a player of consequence" or one of our ending contracts, or both in Miller's case.

Is it worth it then?
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It's a fair question. I have no confidence that we will get ANY value for Joel's expiring contract, so if that would match up the salaries, then I'd probably still do it, yes.

Ed O.
 
e_blazer said:
6'3", 185lb shooting guards, even if they can score in big bunches, leave me cold. Just too much of a defensive liability. I also think that Nic has so much potential due to his offensive and defensive talents that giving him up would in the long run prove to be a massive mistake.
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This.

Plus, all this wonderful ball movement we have now would come to an end with Monte on the team.
A negative on defense and a black hole on offense.

Yuck.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
And if Ellis is so good, why are they 6 games under 500?
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I'd point to a few reasons. He's playing out of position... should be guarding PGs. The Warriors don't have that much talent on their roster overall and most every other player of note has missed more then a couple games. They've two new starters they're integrating. New PF David Lee is one of them and like Love & Zach, dude is terrible at defending the paint.

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
I'd point to a few reasons. He's playing out of position... should be guarding PGs. The Warriors don't have that much talent on their roster overall and most every other player of note has missed more then a couple games. They've two new starters they're integrating. New PF David Lee is one of them and like Love & Zach, dude is terrible at defending the paint.

STOMP
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I guess that was my point. There are plenty of reasons the Blazers are two games over 500, and like Eillis with GS, none of those reason having to do with Batum.
 
Mediocre Man said:
cause they don't have Aldridge? That's why we aren't 6 games under .500
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The Clippers have Blake Griffin and look at their record. Either LA is far superior to Blake, or LA has much better help.

Besides how the heck are the Blazers even 500 when they have such a handicap in McFly? I don't think you understand just how much Batum has to overcome as a young player playing for Nate . . . oh never mind you are the one who has explained to me. :D

Just imagine if Nic plays like this for Nate what a real coach will do for him . . .
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
I guess that was my point. There are plenty of reasons the Blazers are two games over 500, and like Eillis with GS, none of those reason having to do with Batum.
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the thing with Monta's situation that is unlike Batum's is that he's producing despite playing outside of what would seem to me to be ideal circumstances. As a Bay Area resident, trust me Warrior fans recognize that playing alongside Curry (two 6'2 190 pound guards) isn't ideal and that he probably should be dealt to maximize his and their interests. What would happen with Monta in a situation that maximized his talents is the question that spurs a lot of the trade talk with him

STOMP
 
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