Would you trade Nic for Javale McGee?

[Rhal]

You'd prefer a dude with no defense at all, who is a black hole on offense. Interesting.

Speights is a better one on one and help defender he doesnt block shots though. Neither one is a good defender. They are both black holes on offense but speights has better post moves.

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[cdub503]

Think we could just give him a decent sized contract? Possibly front loaded? It'd nix any hope of getting Williams at the PG but we'd have a for sure decent big in the middle. And a lineup of Batum McGee Aldridge Wes is pretty tough defensively.

 

[Boise Blazer]

Well both are going to be RFA and we know Nic likes Ptd. I would want the player that is likely going to be in Ptd on a long term contract.

I see the question as do you consider McGee the center of the future for the Blazers, because whatever team "gets" him will be paying him starting center salary and he will tie up a big chunk of salary cap.

This is why I am iffy on that deal. It would be a lot to over pay him when he offers very specific skills. Batum is much more of an all around guy and much more likely to hold more value as a glue guy. But more than anything my gut tells me no on this on. Its pretty high risk.

 

[B-Roy]

This is why I am iffy on that deal. It would be a lot to over pay him when he offers very specific skills. Batum is much more of an all around guy and much more likely to hold more value as a glue guy. But more than anything my gut tells me no on this on. Its pretty high risk.

What? You're kidding me right. Big guys, let alone PRODUCTIVE big guys, hold their value much better than any other position in the league. Look at Kwame Brown for gods sakes.

 

[Draco]

I'm not certain McGee will become an average NBA starter. If you can get bigs like Kurt Thomas and Craig Smith for the minimum, is spending $10+ million a year worth the upgrade to McGee? I don't believe so. Not that I necessarly think Nic is a superior prospect, but I'd probably decline this deal if management projects it'll take $10million+ per year for a long term deal to resign McGee.

Interesting idea though.

The NBA is transforming to a league where to be a great team you need players that outperform their contracts. Lebron and Wade even on max deals outperform their contracts. LaMarcus outperforms his contract. Deron Williams outperforms his contract. Nic Batum on a $5.5 million deal will outperform his contract. McGee at $10+ million will not outperform his contract, and thus would not be a step towards making us a contending team.

 

[Draco]

If we trade Batum it would mean LaMarcus is the only player on our roster who has played more then one full season here.

 

[magnifier661]

I'm not certain McGee will become an average NBA starter. If you can get bigs like Kurt Thomas and Craig Smith for the minimum, is spending $10+ million a year worth the upgrade to McGee? I don't believe so. Not that I necessarly think Nic is a superior prospect, but I'd probably decline this deal if management projects it'll take $10million+ per year for a long term deal to resign McGee.

Interesting idea though.

The NBA is transforming to a league where to be a great team you need players that outperform their contracts. Lebron and Wade even on max deals outperform their contracts. LaMarcus outperforms his contract. Deron Williams outperforms his contract. Nic Batum on a $5.5 million deal will outperform his contract. McGee at $10+ million will not outperform his contract, and thus would not be a step towards making us a contending team.

LMAO! You love the movie "Money Ball" huh?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

How are we defining "productive" here? "Puts up big numbers on a monumentally shitty team?" "Gets coaches fired?" Actually, I can see why the Nate-haters would want to trade for him, then.

Seriously: Javale McGee doesn't know how to play basketball. He is tall and springy and getting minutes because there is nobody good on that team. Chris Johnson could get his numbers on that team with his minutes.

 

[magnifier661]

How are we defining "productive" here? "Puts up big numbers on a monumentally shitty team?" "Gets coaches fired?" Actually, I can see why the Nate-haters would want to trade for him, then.

Seriously: Javale McGee doesn't know how to play basketball. He is tall and springy and getting minutes because there is nobody good on that team. Chris Johnson could get his numbers on that team with his minutes.

Wow! I'm going to have to strongly disagree on this point.

 

[Boise Blazer]

What? You're kidding me right. Big guys, let alone PRODUCTIVE big guys, hold their value much better than any other position in the league. Look at Kwame Brown for gods sakes.

He may hold his value but I dont thinks his rebounds and blocks hold more value than Batums all around game does. And thats right now much less Batums potential in the coming. You may not want to hear potenital but it is what it is. There is also something to be said about understanding the game how that makes your teammates better.

 

[Draco]

He may hold his value but I dont thinks his rebounds and blocks hold more value than Batums all around game does. And thats right now much less Batums potential in the coming. You may not want to hear potenital but it is what it is. There is also something to be said about understanding the game how that makes your teammates better.

If Batum has potential why does McGee not have any?

 

[Boise Blazer]

If Batum has potential why does McGee not have any?

He does but nowhere near the potential Batum does and Batum's is much more all around both defensive and offensive. Is McGee going to get that much better as a rebounder and shot blocker? His offensive would have to grow by leaps and bounds to get to where Batunm is now.

 

[jlprk]

How are we defining "productive" here? "Puts up big numbers on a monumentally shitty team?" "Gets coaches fired?" Actually, I can see why the Nate-haters would want to trade for him, then.

Seriously: Javale McGee doesn't know how to play basketball. He is tall and springy and getting minutes because there is nobody good on that team. Chris Johnson could get his numbers on that team with his minutes.

It's the opposite. Nate's talent is straightening out young players. His weakness is in sharpening everyone's game to an elite level by holding them to high standards and not permitting constant errors all game long. The more experienced the roster is, the more useless Nate is.

If we got McGee (or any discipline problem), I'd be in favor of keeping McMillan for McGee's first year or two.

 

[B-Roy]

He does but nowhere near the potential Batum does and Batum's is much more all around both defensive and offensive. Is McGee going to get that much better as a rebounder and shot blocker? His offensive would have to grow by leaps and bounds to get to where Batunm is now.

McGee has more potential that Batum IMO. Crazy athleticism, and already averages a double double without knowing how to use it.

 

[illmatic99]

With Marcus here to mentor him for this year, (and if we sign him to an extension) for a few more years, McGee would absolutely flourish. Plus being next to a guy like LA can only make him better as he would have to focus only on the rebounding and blocking.

Nic is my favorite player, but this is an obvious deal to make if available.

 

[magnifier661]

With Marcus here to mentor him for this year, (and if we sign him to an extension) for a few more years, McGee would absolutely flourish. Plus being next to a guy like LA can only make him better as he would have to focus only on the rebounding and blocking.

Nic is my favorite player, but this is an obvious deal to make if available.

Yeah but it's kinda moot. I just have no reason to believe Washington would even consider. Especially if they get a high draft pick in a solid draft.

 

[tlongII]

No thanks. McGee sucks. He's putting up stats on a horrible team. If he was a legit center they would have more W's. He's a complete joke at the FT line as well.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

How are we defining "productive" here? "Puts up big numbers on a monumentally shitty team?" "Gets coaches fired?" Actually, I can see why the Nate-haters would want to trade for him, then.

Seriously: Javale McGee doesn't know how to play basketball. He is tall and springy and getting minutes because there is nobody good on that team. Chris Johnson could get his numbers on that team with his minutes.

Do you actually think that? That's ridiculously stupid. JaVale McGee is better than Chris Johnson at everything. I'm also pretty sure he knows how to play basketball, considering he makes millions of dollars doing it. All you guys always say he's just putting up stats on a bad team. Do bad teams never have any good players? Should good players on bad teams do poorly? Would that prove they were good? Think about what you're saying. Wait, that actually won't help because your thinking is fundamentally flawed. Sorry McGee isn't a dirty greasy European with no athleticism like Luis Scola or some shit.

 

[MickZagger]

Do you actually think that? That's ridiculously stupid. JaVale McGee is better than Chris Johnson at everything. I'm also pretty sure he knows how to play basketball, considering he makes millions of dollars doing it. All you guys always say he's just putting up stats on a bad team. Do bad teams never have any good players? Should good players on bad teams do poorly? Would that prove they were good? Think about what you're saying. Wait, that actually won't help because your thinking is fundamentally flawed. Sorry McGee isn't a dirty greasy European with no athleticism like Luis Scola or some shit.

Correction. Scola's from Argentina which is located in South America.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Do you actually think that? That's ridiculously stupid. JaVale McGee is better than Chris Johnson at everything.

I will concede that he is almost certainly better at planking.

I'm also pretty sure he knows how to play basketball, considering he makes millions of dollars doing it.

Good reasoning! That's why the CEOs of failing companies get such huge raises!

All you guys always say he's just putting up stats on a bad team. Do bad teams never have any good players?

Sometimes. Those players aren't just putting up numbers.

Should good players on bad teams do poorly?

They probably wouldn't have their PGs yell at them in practice and get benched for showboating in a blowout loss.

Would that prove they were good?

Good illustration of a false dilemma.

Think about what you're saying.

I don't think it would help, as you seem more than capable of deliberately misunderstanding it.

Wait, that actually won't help because your thinking is fundamentally flawed. Sorry McGee isn't a dirty greasy European with no athleticism like Luis Scola or some shit.

Wow - some issues there. I can't help but think your rant would've been better if you'd actually come up with a European.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

javale is overrated, if that is possible for a apathetic stoner.

and mags, you dont think cj could get 11/9 or so in 30 mpg?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

javale is overrated, if that is possible for a apathetic stoner.

and mags, you dont think cj could get 11/9 or so in 30 mpg?

I don't know if CJ could get 30 minutes. Wouldn't he probably foul out first?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Check out the +/- stats for the Wizards.

I wonder if they'd part with Seraphin. (Not because of his +/- - he hasn't played enough to tell, but because he looked really pretty good playing over in greasy Europe.)

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I don't know if CJ could get 30 minutes. Wouldn't he probably foul out first?

Triple double - points/rbs/fouls.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

I don't know if CJ could get 30 minutes. Wouldn't he probably foul out first?

its his job to be aggressive in the short time he is out there which has been to the tune of 7 mpg in 22 career games or so....

 

[VanillaGorilla]

The European part was a joke lol I know he's from South America (it's an old inside joke with my brother). But I really have no idea why I got so worked up about McGee vs. Johnson. I don't even like McGee and I don't particularly like Johnson either.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Check out the +/- stats for the Wizards.

I wonder if they'd part with Seraphin. (Not because of his +/- - he hasn't played enough to tell, but because he looked really pretty good playing over in greasy Europe.)

I really, really wanted the Blazers to draft him, and I was almost certain that when the draft coverage guys announced that the Blazers made that Webster trade to move up I figured he was the target ... and then the two words that will haunt me forever were uttered instead, "The Minnesota Timberwolves have traded the draft rights to Luke Babbitt for Martell Webster and cash considerations ..."

 

[3RA1N1AC]

and then you fell asleep for two years on a heroin binge and kidnapped javale mcgee at dick point and brought him into the futue in your organic time machine (after you used it to travel into the past) so he could be drafted 2 years later than in reality, only to THEN have your hopes and dreams crushed to pieces like a faberge testicle...too sad

 

[Nikolokolus]

and then you fell asleep for two years on a heroin binge and kidnapped javale mcgee at dick point and brought him into the futue in your organic time machine (after you used it to travel into the past) so he could be drafted 2 years later than in reality, only to THEN have your hopes and dreams crushed to pieces like a faberge testicle...too sad

That too.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

This is pretty much priceless:
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