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Would you trade Oden for CP3?

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Just curious. I can't see New Orleans dumping Paul just to save money. And I can't see them taking bench players either. But, offering Oden, a PG and expiring contracts . . .
 
I would do the trade because I think CP3+Joel is >> Oden+[current PGs]. Paul has already proven he is a superstar. Oden, may someday, or he may not. He is also a very big boy who's body is having a hard time keeping up with him (health-wise).

Don't get me wrong--I like Oden a lot. But, CP3, Roy, [Webs/Outlaw/Rudy], Aldridge and Joel would compete this year in the playoffs and probably compete for a title for the next ten years.
 
crowTrobot said:
would you trade aldridge for lebron? (similar question).
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Hmmm. It doesn't seem that similar to me for several reasons.

1) Lebron is top 1 or 2 in the league. CP3 may be top 3-7.
2) Oden's value is much higher than Aldridge's
3) Cleveland isn't trying to save money right now, N.O. is
4) Cleveland is competing for a title this year with Lebron, N.O. isn't with Paul
 
before the changes in the ways bigs are officiated, and before the change in the hand-check rules it would be a hard decision, but I'd probably still take Paul. With the current rules officiating I'd take Paul in a split second.
 
Reep said:
1) Lebron is top 1 or 2 in the league. CP3 may be top 3-7.
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LeBron and Paul are probably 1 and 2.

I do agree that Oden's value and ceiling are much higher than Aldridge's, though.

In any case, I would absolutely trade Oden for Paul, and I'm one of the people most encouraged by Oden. Oden has the talent to be a once-a-generation big man. Paul already is a once-a-generation point guard. So Oden could end up being what Paul is, in terms of impact. No-brainer, of course you take Paul.
 
So do most of you feel like N.O. wouldn't even consider this deal? I'm not great cap guy, so I can't figure out how to do a simple trade that works with CP's base year salary, but, if you could take on Chandler's salary, Peja's (both?) and/or throw in Bayless with Oden, wouldn't that be at least tempting?

NO Loses: CP3

NO Gains: Oden, Bayless, $30-40M in savings per year.
 
Reep said:
So do most of you feel like N.O. wouldn't even consider this deal?
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No, I don't think they would. If Oden were having a Shaq-like rookie season, maybe. But since Paul is already a once-a-generation talent, they definitely can't risk trading him for someone who might be one but hasn't yet become one.
 
Reep said:
I know most of us aren't L@ker fans here, but I think most put Kobe and LeBron in the top two spots.
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I love Kobe Bryant as a player. He's been one of my favourite players to watch for a number of years. I don't rank Kobe lower because of dislike of him or the Lakers. He's fallen off a bit from his peak and Paul is amazingly good.

Kobe is top-five and might well be the third-best player, but I don't think he's a better player than either James or Paul.
 
How the fuck did someone vote no.
 
I would trade both Roy & LMA for CP3. I know many would strongly disagree, but I think he's that good. He could probably even make Frye look like a good player if he were running the point for this team.
 
N.O. would tell us to take a leaping dive.

You don't trade a PG like Paul for a player made of glass.
 
Ha, I expected this to be 60/40 yes. Well done, Blazer fans. There is hope for you yet. I wonder what it would've been before the season, or before last season.
 
Minstrel said:
I love Kobe Bryant as a player. He's been one of my favourite players to watch for a number of years. I don't rank Kobe lower because of dislike of him or the Lakers. He's fallen off a bit from his peak and Paul is amazingly good.

Kobe is top-five and might well be the third-best player, but I don't think he's a better player than either James or Paul.
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Just because he passes a little more doesnt mean he still cant dominate. Kobe is more clutch than Lebron and has a better J. Those are the two thing IMO that make him 1a to Lebrons 1b
 
I'm a huge Oden fan. I love his future and am not at all worried about his future, etc. I still think he'll become a top 1 or 2 center in the NBA and I wouldn't bet against him ending up in the HoF.

BUT...

Chris Paul is the best PG in the game. One of the best players in the game right NOW.

Yes, I make the trade.

Ed O.
 
DaRizzle said:
Just because he passes a little more doesnt mean he still cant dominate.
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He's been worse for a few years and watching him, it's pretty clear he's not at his peak anymore. Kobe always passed the ball well, that's not new.

Kobe is more clutch than Lebron and has a better J. Those are the two thing IMO that make him 1a to Lebrons 1b
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Yes, it's great that you're loyal to the player on your team. "Having a better J" is meaningless. Nash has more skills than a prime Shaq, but Shaq was far better. It's not what tools you have, it's which player is more productive and James is significantly more productive than Kobe. Paul is somewhat more productive, too.

As for clutch, we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think any player has magical clutch capabilities. Neither Kobe nor James gets worse late in the game.
 
Minstrel said:
He's been worse for a few years and watching him, it's pretty clear he's not at his peak anymore. Kobe always passed the ball well, that's not new.



Yes, it's great that you're loyal to the player on your team. "Having a better J" is meaningless. Nash has more skills than a prime Shaq, but Shaq was far better. It's not what tools you have, it's which player is more productive and James is significantly more productive than Kobe. Paul is somewhat more productive, too.

As for clutch, we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think any player has magical clutch capabilities. Neither Kobe nor James gets worse late in the game.
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I read somewhere that Kobe only makes 25% of his potential game winning shots.

In any case, I'd pick James over Kobe- both are good on both sides of the ball, but Lebron is slightly more productive and seems to make his teammates better than Kobe does.

I would put Howard as the 3rd best- probably the best defender and the best interior scorer in the league.
4th best- maybe Chris Paul.
 
Here's my argument for my no vote. As of right now, Paul is by far the superior player. Oden has great potential, but nobody's quite sure what the ceiling level is. That said, even if Paul maintains his overall superiority as a player, good point guards come along in every draft. Not CP3-level, perhaps, but good ones who could work with the dominant front line that Oden and Aldridge promise in the next few years. Big guys with as much potential as Oden are rare. I'd stick with Oden.

Now ask me if I'd trade Martell Webster for CP3. Damn you, John Nash. ;)
 
Neither Kobe nor James gets worse late in the game.
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I totally disagree in regards to James. Yes he has had clutch moments but he still chokes up every so often. Put James on the line in a late game situation and see what happens
 
huevonkiller said:
http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM

He's just fine this season though
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Which fits my point. There isn't some "clutch ability" that separates players...players play to their ability, by and large, and random variance is the main effect on such small samples as "clutch times" in any particular season.

and he doesn't struggle as much as Bron with his shot in the playoffs the last few years.
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They've both had their ups and downs in the playoffs. Kobe has had some notably awful elimination games.

I think Kobe is a brilliant player, and I would certainly never make the argument that he's "anti-clutch." I simply don't think there's anything to the idea that a "clutch" ability separates Kobe from anyone else. Kobe is a great player...in quarter 1 or quarter 4.
 
Every time I watch CP3, it burns me to think he was on the cusp of becoming a Blazer, if only KP were running the show. But I'm pretty stoked with Roy/LMA/Oden.
And yeah, I think I'd trade Greg for CP3.
 
Minstrel said:
Which fits my point. There isn't some "clutch ability" that separates players...players play to their ability, by and large, and random variance is the main effect on such small samples as "clutch times" in any particular season.



They've both had their ups and downs in the playoffs. Kobe has had some notably awful elimination games.

I think Kobe is a brilliant player, and I would certainly never make the argument that he's "anti-clutch." I simply don't think there's anything to the idea that a "clutch" ability separates Kobe from anyone else. Kobe is a great player...in quarter 1 or quarter 4.
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I think the Clutch ability is even more overblown in Football due to that being much more of a team sport, but that is such a tangent so sorry for mentioning that. :O
 
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