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Would you trade Oden for Durant?

  • Yes

    Votes: 39 47.6%

  • No

    Votes: 43 52.4%
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KingSpeed

KingSpeed

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I wanted Oden in 2007 and that was absolutely the right choice. But knowing right now, would you trade Greg for Kevin?
 
No. We have our core and I think it will go further than our team with Durant on it. First off, he'll take a lot of shots from Roy, make him worse by giving Roy less touches. He'll just keep on shooting and shooting...maybe Roy can be his Pippen? but seriously...Roy is almost MVP-quality.
 
So we shouldn't have drafted Jordan then, right? He would've taken touches from Drexler!
 
Boston has three stars who share the touches and then won the championship.
 
KingSpeed said:
Boston has three stars who share the touches and then won the championship.
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What's your point. Generally, big men in the league have won rings. When Oden returns, he'll be fine and him, LMA and Roy will be a dominant trio in the L. We have too many swingmen already + they are a dime a dozen....While Durant has great potential, to say he's Jordan or even Pierce is ridiculous.

We've seen when Oden is in the game, he changes things on both ends. As he gets more expeirence, he will get less tick-tack fouls and draw more double/triple teams.
 
I won't vote yet. Would I trade him...probably not. I don't know I'm torn. I thought that Oden was going to blow up because I bought into the hype. If you look past how he gets into foul trouble, Oden has put up pretty good numbers in reality. But his injury history concerns me.

I think that Durant may have been the overall better player. He and Roy would be a crazy good combination. Eh...I'm sure picking Oden was right. It fits better with the team. It helps to have a big man like that.

Think about this. At least with the center the pick is "safe" because you usually take the size. Look at how Michael Beasily has turned out after his great year in college (a la Durant....not quite).
 
KingSpeed said:
So we shouldn't have drafted Jordan then, right? He would've taken touches from Drexler!
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We should have drafted Hakeem.

Right now I'd take Oden. If he completely falls apart several years down the line then I'd obviously say Durant. But the key here is to be patient for a little longer.
 
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KingSpeed said:
I wanted Oden in 2007 and that was absolutely the right choice. But knowing right now, would you trade Greg for Kevin?
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Wut u sayd. 100% aynd wood mayk tha swytch ryt nowe if pos


Wuz ryte choyeez en 07. Budt Duryant iz speshal.

Styl thingk Owden wyll bee relee gud in hiz owen ryght, ayd styl wyll paee off.

eye styl cee shampeonchips.
 
OddEnormous said:
Wut u sayd. 100% aynd wood mayk tha swytch ryt nowe if pos


Wuz ryte choyeez en 07. Budt Duryant iz speshal.

Styl thingk Owden wyll bee relee gud in hiz owen ryght, ayd styl wyll paee off.

eye styl cee shampeonchips.
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:sigh:
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
What's your point. Generally, big men in the league have won rings. When Oden returns, he'll be fine and him, LMA and Roy will be a dominant trio in the L. We have too many swingmen already + they are a dime a dozen....While Durant has great potential, to say he's Jordan or even Pierce is ridiculous.

We've seen when Oden is in the game, he changes things on both ends. As he gets more expeirence, he will get less tick-tack fouls and draw more double/triple teams.
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I don't think saying he's Pierce is such a stretch. Pierce wasn't exactly a god for the majority of his career. He's been a regular All-Star, but not top-5 by any means. He's not Wade. He's not Kobe. He's not LeBron. I think Durant will definitely surpass Pierce, and there's a very good chance he'll be in the same echelon as Wade.
 
Sadly, yes. Its the injuries and questionable passion that pushes Durant ahead for me... I think Oden's ceiling is going to be much more dominant and condusive to winning, but I worry about the big guy, mainly whats in between his ears.

Hopefully this is taken more as a compliment to KD than an insult to Gregory.

Bayless, Roy, Durant, Aldridge, Przybilla (lots of trade bait to look for a center as well).

Blake, Rudy, Batum/Webster, Outlaw off the bench. I really like that team.
 
Durant is so much more talented than Greg it's not even funny. The gap is like D-Wade and Tyson Chandler level.

At the time you had to take Greg. He was an athletic freak coming off a beast of a National title game and a legit 7'0" Center. A true center. Injuries and the fact he's a mental midget only makes it tougher to stomach that we took this guy over Durant.

Live and learn. It's not the first time we took the wrong guy.
 
Career done, 50 games in. Nice to see.

As for the poll, no, I wouldn't. You can put that lineup up there, but if we drafted Durant, there's a good chance our lineup looks like Blake, Roy, Durant, Z-Bo, Aldridge. Bayless wouldn't likely be here. Do we draft the same after taking Durant? Is Rudy picked? Maybe we think we have enough scoring with Durant being chosen, and not trading Zach to make room for LMA and Greg. Does Roy ever become an All Star? Doubtful. A lot of fans whine and bitch about our coach, so then let's assume Durant is playing the Webster role, standing in the corner shooting 3s, so we still have Zach dominating the ball, Roy defering mroe to LMA, Zach, and Durant, and Durant as primarily a spot up shooter. And not a single defender to be seen. Yipppeeee! Sign me up for that clusterfuck of a team. No thanks. Greg is going to be just fine. I just hope everyone giving up on him stays that way. Please.
 
KingSpeed said:
So we shouldn't have drafted Jordan then, right? He would've taken touches from Drexler!
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Would we have gotten a Pippen and Rodman to help MJ win 6 rings? Or Phil Jackson as a coach? As awesome a player as MJ was, he couldn't do it alone.

We don't even know if Jordan would have become the same player in Portland. It is a pretty sure bet he wouldn't have started over Drexler his first year. There would have been article after article questioning who should play. Who know what the fuck would have happened? If things in Portland went exactly the same as they did in Chicago, then the result would be the same. Otherwise it is really hard to say.
 
Oden has played very well this year, as a rookie, and has suffered no career-altering injuries. These smaller injuries this season have been annoying, but certainly aren't enough to make me change my appraisal of his future.

Based on his performance when he's been on the court, I still think he's on track to be a superstar center. Durant is performing as I expected (I fully expected him to establish himself as one of the great wings in the league) and Oden is still on the track I expected for him, so I wouldn't deal Oden for Durant. Both players are still who I thought they were, and I agreed with drafting Oden over Durant.
 
RR7 said:
Career done, 50 games in. Nice to see.

As for the poll, no, I wouldn't. You can put that lineup up there, but if we drafted Durant, there's a good chance our lineup looks like Blake, Roy, Durant, Z-Bo, Aldridge. Bayless wouldn't likely be here. Do we draft the same after taking Durant? Is Rudy picked? Maybe we think we have enough scoring with Durant being chosen, and not trading Zach to make room for LMA and Greg. Does Roy ever become an All Star? Doubtful. A lot of fans whine and bitch about our coach, so then let's assume Durant is playing the Webster role, standing in the corner shooting 3s, so we still have Zach dominating the ball, Roy defering mroe to LMA, Zach, and Durant, and Durant as primarily a spot up shooter. And not a single defender to be seen. Yipppeeee! Sign me up for that clusterfuck of a team. No thanks. Greg is going to be just fine. I just hope everyone giving up on him stays that way. Please.
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This. A thousand times this.

Though this sort of discussion is fun, I do find it odd that people believe where a player lands has little to do with that player's development. I think it is huge. How does their first coach feel about young players? Are their team mates willing to give them help, or do they freeze them out? Which player does management choose as the cornerstone of the team? These all determine the future success of a player.

Bayless and Sergio are prime examples. If OKC had drafted Bayless instead of Westbrook, I am guessing his stats would pretty much match Westbrooks. If Phoenix had kept Segio, the whole league would be creaming themselves about the second coming of Nash since Segio is a perfect fit for the SSOL offense. But that didn't happen, both players are on Portland. In Sergio's case, the offense Portland runs is almost the exact opposite of what would make him successful. In Bayless's case, Nate does believe in him enough to play him more then spot minutes.

It may very well be that Oden is another such case.
 
KingSpeed said:
So we shouldn't have drafted Jordan then, right? He would've taken touches from Drexler!
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You let me know when Kevin Durant defends like Jordan. Right now, he's more like Bernard King.
 
And for the record, this team's problem isn't scoring the basketball. It's defense, specifically interior defense. We requires Oden's skillset more than Durant's. I don't think anyone doubts that Elgin Baylor put up better stats than Bill Russell, but which one would you have drafted in 1956?
 
Nope. Not yet. I reserve the right to change my mind over the next 2 years though.
 
Not even if you threw in a Blazer Dancer to be named later.
 
I'm one of Oden's biggest fans and was very upset we might pick KD over Oden.

Here is my opinion worth about 2 cents if even that much:

If we would have known what we know now that Oden would have MF surgery and injured more in his first season and KD playing so well his second season(I wasn't sure about him last year playing SG) it is a no brainer we should pick KD.

I still think there is a chance Oden could end up better the KD but it isn't looking that good compared to before the draft. You always have to take the big man if he is suppose to be the best center in the last 10-15 years. I was a KD fan before the lottery and once we got the #1 pick is when I started to look at Oden. If you go back and watch some of his OSU games he looked so athletic and fast on the defensive end. One game I think against Tenn on the last shot he flew over a couple of his own players and block a shot that won the game. I didn't think anybody could get to that shot. It was awesome and there were other things I watched that said he was a once in 10-15 years center. Only B.Walton impressed me more and he is my all time favorite player.

I don't blame KP because Oden was the right pick unless he knew Oden would need MF surgery.

It is also really dumb IMO to make these type of threads/polls because we have the info now that KP didn't have and of coarse more people will want to pick the better player at the moment. One more thing Okc wouldn't trade KD for anybody in the league not named Lebron or maybe D.Howard. They for sure wouldn't even think about trading KD for an injured Oden.

It really doesn't help complaining about picking Oden now all we can do is hope he can eventually stay healthy and live up to the hype. I do think he has shown some flashes in a few games but still needs to get lighter and in better shape to live up to what he was suppose to be from the hype. Kingspeed why make Oden thread after Oden thread we know your disappointed but it doesn't do any good after making one or two threads. We get your upset but why keep making other people upset. Live with the choice and hope for the best. Stop bitching and moaning because it doesn't do any good.
 
I'm the biggest Trail Blazer homer around, and I hate to say it but I voted YES.

Oden's injury issues are becoming more and more of a concern and I'm starting to question his desire/heart.

Durant has been very very impressive.

I'm hoping by the end of this season or mid way thru next season Oden will have stepped up and proved that he will be a force on both ends of the court and I'll have forgotten about Durant.
 
Here's another question for all of you folks lusting after Durant. How many of you believe that he's going to stay in OKC any longer than necessary? Personally, I've always pegged KD as a big city market kind of guy; he wants to be a star on a big stage. I don't think Oklahoma -- or even Portland, for that matter -- would satisfy him in terms of that kind of venue. I think Durant would be doing well for us if we had drafted him, but we wouldn't be suddenly competing for the championship, and I'd be scared as hell of what would happen after his contract expired. OKC shouldn't get too comfortable with their shanghaied #2 pick phenom, IMO.

I think part of what made Greg such a solid pick for Portland was how well his personality meshes with our city. He's laid back, humble, and when he's not overthinking his role or putting too much pressure on himself, he's a damn funny guy. It's fine and good to have issues with his desire, his dedication, or his bones, but whatever happened to giving the guy one season to get his shit together? Is that so very much to ask? Can we hold off on giving him his final grade for just a little while longer?
 
OddEnormous said:
Wut u sayd. 100% aynd wood mayk tha swytch ryt nowe if pos


Wuz ryte choyeez en 07. Budt Duryant iz speshal.

Styl thingk Owden wyll bee relee gud in hiz owen ryght, ayd styl wyll paee off.

eye styl cee shampeonchips.
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Wait, what? You're making my linguistics degree cry over here.

oh, and yeah, I would make that trade AND throw Travis in.
 
On an individual basis, Durant has more offensive basketball talent than Oden. So far he is the more NBA ready player.

However, good point guards (e.g. Nash, Kidd, Paul, etc) and good centers (Shaq, Duncan, Howard, etc) have influence on team performance that exceeds their individual contributions. They literally change the way the games are played and multiply the effectiveness of their team.

For this reason a good Oden is better than a great Durant. Every time.

An injured Oden of course is worthless, but I don't think his availability this year is all that bad compared to other big men in the league. It would be interesting to compare games played by big men starters at the end of this season. Duncan has been out. KG has been out. Bynum has been out. etc.
 
Tortimer said:
If we would have known what we know now that Oden would have MF surgery and injured more in his first season and KD playing so well his second season(I wasn't sure about him last year playing SG) it is a no brainer we should pick KD.

I don't blame KP because Oden was the right pick unless he knew Oden would need MF surgery.
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Actually, if you knew Durant you knew he would be this successful, the guy has lived and breathed basketball his whole life, that is why he was the "safe pick."

Honestly I don't believe Oden absolutely had to have MF surgery. I think they did it for the "long-term" investment they had in G.O. The whole reason why they picked him, and the whole reason why the Organization wouldn't make this trade.
 
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