Wow...anyone hear what quick said about Oden on the fan?

[yenniedn]

Let's keep it real for a moment. He gets stripped and blocked a lot. He has very little personality on the court as someone said. The great centers came out and dominated from the get go. Granted, they didn't have a year off beforehand but let's not forget that Oden was underwhelming in summer league BEFORE the surgery. I pray that he's not a bust. But so far, he doesn't have the earmarks of a HOFer.

Then again, Oden has had a 20-10 game this season and Bynum hasn't. Woohoo!

Erick is the most up-and-down fan I've ever seen. Bi-Polar much?

LOL - I'll rest Fez's case for him. Classic.

Those quotes were taken in reverse order . . . no sooner than Fez makes the statement, KingSpeed goes way negative on the next post, then follows it up with a way upper woohoo post! Awesome!

 

[Mediocre Man]

LOL, dude is under a lot of pressure. The national media, local media, and himself all think he should be playing better. He is also only 20 years old and IMO a little immature (not a bad thing) I know at 20 I was very different in dealing with my faults and problems as I am today. A lot of that is attributed to the fact that I have no faults now though....except spelling of course.

Greg Oden could probably really use Conley to help kick him in the rump. It might also be a good thing if Brandon and/or LaMarcus reached out to him and tried to befriend him a bit more.

I wouldn't really put a lot of stock into it honestly. I really think the kid just needs to get his confidence up and he'll be fine. Remember that this is a guy who has been THE man everywhere he's been. Now he is struggling a bit, has some injuries, and is just learning how to deal with it.

 

[Rodolfo]

Greg is young and insecure, his body language oozes it...maybe he needs a therapist?

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

He has very little personality on the court

Hmmm, I guess Tim Duncan is a bust as well. We should also probably call Roy a bust as he also generally has very little personality on the court.

Yup, a great indicator of bust.

Gramps...

 

[STOMP]

Outside of that, they're pretty similar. Except that Oden isn't in peak shape yet, while Webster was.

actually MW didn't commit to lose the baby fat until last year when he showed up noticeably slimmer... to play SF not SG as before

STOMP

 

[Minstrel]

actually MW didn't commit to lose the baby fat until last year when he showed up noticeably slimmer... to play SF not SG as before

Well, what I said was too imprecisely worded. I didn't mean peak shape, as in the best he possibly could be. I meant that he wasn't out of shape, from having been away from the game.

 

[noknobs]

LOL, dude is under a lot of pressure. The national media, local media, and himself all think he should be playing better. He is also only 20 years old and IMO a little immature (not a bad thing) I know at 20 I was very different in dealing with my faults and problems as I am today. A lot of that is attributed to the fact that I have no faults now though....except spelling of course.

Remember when Quick called Oden underwhelming, then wrote that he immediately felt bad about it because he'd just contributed to the tremendous pressure Oden was under? Well, congrats Quick, like Britney Spears before you, you just did it again. Way to learn from your mistakes you hack. And way to admit on air you don't do your job.

 

[Boob-No-More]

He is more than Darko and Kwame at this stage.

Please... Darko didn't record his first double-double until the 39th game of HIS 4TH NBA SEASON. Oden had his first double-double in his 3rd NBA game. After 16 games, Oden already has more points and rebounds than Darko had in his first two NBA seasons combined.

And while Kwame was better than Darko his first two years, he still isn't close to Oden's level. Kwame had two double-doubles as a rookie and five more as a sophomore. He recorded his 7th triple double in his 134th NBA game. Again, Oden in spite of the injuries and long lay-off has 7 double-doubles in his first 16 NBA games.

People need to look at the big picture here before labeling Oden a bust or comparing him to Darko or Kwame. Oden missed 18 months with major knee surgery - and he's already becoming a double-double machine and a game altering defender.- and he will only get better as he continues to recover from his MF surgery, get in better shape, and get used to the NBA game. It's a learning process. He has the physical tools, but needs a chance to learn how to use them.

BNM

 

[Ed O]

Let's remember to focus on the Blazers and the posts, OK? No need to rip into any poster here, no matter how much you disagree with her or him.

Ed O.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

The red font means caution or danger. Whichever you would prefer.

 

[Ed O]

The red font means caution or danger. Whichever you would prefer.

It means "badass".

Not danger. Just that I'm posting as a moderator. Even when we joke around ripping into one another it can be dangerous, so I'm encouraging everyone to be respectful to one another.

Ed O.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

lol All you need is a cool badge and a flashlight next to your desk and you're set!

 

[KingSpeed]

LeBron had a ton of pressure and was younger than Oden but he still delivered immediately. He didn't have the year off though. I'm just saying that some people can handle the pressure.

 

[Minstrel]

LeBron had a ton of pressure and was younger than Oden but he still delivered immediately. He didn't have the year off though. I'm just saying that some people can handle the pressure.

Oden's handling the pressure fine, in terms of on-court play. He's made the Blazers' team defense much better, statistically, and his per-minute efficiency is great. He's simply not playing a lot of minutes, because he's not in basketball shape.

There's no problem here.

 

[KingSpeed]

You guys know what I mean though. He gets blocked and stripped a lot. Always looks depressed. And looks average out there at best. But I'll trust that he'll get better. Soon.

 

[KingSpeed]

In no order: Yao, Dwight, Joel, Bynum, Kamen, Ilgauskas, Bogut

...TRUE C's are pretty thin right now...If you want to expand to the PF/C guys this list would be a lot different


...wait...why did i answer this here?

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Joel averages 6, 8, & 1. Same numbers as Dalembert who could also be on the list.

Where are Camby and Chandler on your list? Okur? Shaq? Jermaine O'Neal? Biedrins? Oden?

Is Joel better than those guys? I would put Yao, Dwight, Bynum, Camby, Z, Bogut, Chandler, JO, Shaq, Oden, and Biedrins ahead of Joel. Okur probably too.

 

[e_blazer]

Man, do they make lithium for bipolar message board disorders? Seriously, Greg is either the greatest ever or a total bust depending upon which day of the week it is? The guy had microfracture surgery, didn't play basketball for a year, had never played in an NBA game before this season...it might just take a little while for him to get things figured out. Just for comparison purposes, here are the career stats for Andrew Bynum and Greg's stats for this year to date:

It looks to me like 22 games into his career, Oden's already matching Bynum's stats for his second season in the NBA. My bet is that by the end of the year he's likely to be putting up numbers pretty consistent with Bynum's numbers for this season.

Considering the microscope Greg is under and the willingness of some folks to jump on him so prematurely, it doesn't seem too surprising that he's down a bit. I also suspect that he's his own harshest critic and that he's finding it hard to adjust to not being able to totally dominate the game the way that he did in high school and at Ohio State.

 

[Денг Гордон]

Oden's problem is that Derrick Rose and O.J. Mayo came out of the gate as great players, and people are now expecting that out of Oden. Oden's doing solid. It's too early to tell how he is going. He doesn't look like a Tyrus Thomas, Kwame Brown, Darko Milicic type bust. He may end up as a Tyson Chandler type bust, which isn't the worst thing in the world. He could become a great superstar, although Ben Wallace with a better offensive game (and Wallace was an allstar remember), so bringing what BW did, and maybe 14-15 PPG would still be a pretty good player. Oden could still go either way, but I doubt he is in the Kwame department. Remember, Lebron James wasn't a very good player his rookie year either.

Anyhow, per 36 minutes:

Michael Olowokandi: 11.3 PTS 10 RPG 1.5 BPG
Chris Mihm: 13.8 PTS 8.6 REBS 1.6 BLK
Kwame Brown: 11.4 PTS 8.7 REBS 1.6 BLK
Tyson Chandler: 11.3 PTS 8.9 Rebs 2.4 BLK
Eddy Curry: 15.1 PTS 8.5 Rebs 1.7 BLK
Nene Hilario: 13.4 PTS 7.9 Rebs 1.0 BLK
Darko Milicic: 10.9 PTS 9.7 Rebs 3.4 Blk
Tyrus Thomas: 13.9 PTS 10.0 Rebs 2.8 Blk
Paul Millsap: 13.7 Pts 10.3 Rebs 1.8 Blk
Joakim Noah: 11.5 Pts 9.8 Rebs 1.5 Blk
Spencer Hawes: 12.9 Pts 8.9 Rebs 1.5 Blk
Aaron Gray: 15.4 Pts 9.9 Rebs 0.9 Blk
Marc Gasol: 14.6 Pts 8.5 Rebs 1.1 Blk
Javale McGee: 15.6 Pts 9.2 Rebs 2.5 Blk

 

[andalusian]

Deleted. Stop posting about other posters.

 

[DaRizzle]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Joel averages 6, 8, & 1. Same numbers as Dalembert who could also be on the list.

Where are Camby and Chandler on your list? Okur? Shaq? Jermaine O'Neal? Biedrins? Oden?

Is Joel better than those guys? I would put Yao, Dwight, Bynum, Camby, Z, Bogut, Chandler, JO, Shaq, Oden, and Biedrins ahead of Joel. Okur probably too.

ok...put dalembert there instead of Joel...You said top 7, IMO camby and chandler arent top 7, jermaine is always injured, oden...are you serious?

Biedrins could be on that list...who you gonna bump out for him? Bogut?

 

[KingSpeed]

No more bipolar jokes. I actually am bipolar. It's a horrible illness. Took me two years to get it together.

As for Greg vs Rose, I've already made my case on that. I saw him play once. He scored 6 pts, got 1 asst, and let his team get blown out by 42 pts. Greg had a double double. Case closed.

 

[DaRizzle]

Deleted. Stop posting about other posters.

lol...nice

 

[KingSpeed]

ok...put dalembert there instead of Joel...You said top 7, IMO camby and chandler arent top 7, jermaine is always injured, oden...are you serious?

Biedrins could be on that list...who you gonna bump out for him? Bogut?

Camby was defensive player of the year. He's better than Joel. So is Chandler. Oden has better numbers than Joel and in less minutes. My point is that Joel, God love him, is not a top 8 center. Not even top 12.

 

[mgb]

LeBron had a ton of pressure and was younger than Oden but he still delivered immediately. He didn't have the year off though. I'm just saying that some people can handle the pressure.

I don't see how you can make that comparison. You say Oden had a year off, because of micro surgery, but seem to just dismiss it like it doesn't matter at least according to your expectations.

I'm sure Oden expects more out of himself than you do and that is probably why he is down on himself.

As to Quick, most likely Oden isn't too open to him any more, not surprisingly, so Quick makes it like he doesn't want to talk to Oden.

 

[Денг Гордон]

No more bipolar jokes. I actually am bipolar. It's a horrible illness. Took me two years to get it together.

As for Greg vs Rose, I've already made my case on that. I saw him play once. He scored 6 pts, got 1 asst, and let his team get blown out by 42 pts. Greg had a double double. Case closed.

So Greg Oden is a bust. But Greg Oden is better than Derrick Rose. Therefore Rose must be an uber-bust?

 

[KingSpeed]

I never said that Oden was a bust. That can't be determined after 16 games. I just said that he had earmarks because he hasn't been playing like a dominant #1 pick. I said that I hope he's not a bust. In other words, I never said that he was one.

 

[Da_O]

Camby was defensive player of the year. He's better than Joel. So is Chandler. Oden has better numbers than Joel and in less minutes. My point is that Joel, God love him, is not a top 8 center. Not even top 12.

Camby is overrated. He's a terrible man to man defender but a great help defender. Denver fans were complaining every night how pathetic Camby is defensively. I'm willing to bet that if Joel had Paul he would be putting up better numbers than Chandler.

Howard
Yao
Bynum
Oden
Big Z
Kaman
Shaq
Biedrins
Okafor
Nene
Horford

Those are the only centers that I would have over Pryzbilla. And some of those are PF's.

Definitely top 12

God I hate people. This whole thread is field with idiocy.
He's definitely top 12.

 

[Da_O]

I never said that Oden was a bust. That can't be determined after 16 games. I just said that he had earmarks because he hasn't been playing like a dominant #1 pick. I said that I hope he's not a bust. In other words, I never said that he was one.

No, but you implied it, asserted it, and probably think it. In most sports, players his age aren't even contributing heavily on their teams, but some reason in Basketball it's different. We should only be able to truly assess where Oden is, after he plays a couple seasons. Anyone that thinks otherwise are rubes, that have nothing better to do.

 

[KingSpeed]

No, but you implied it, asserted it, and probably think it. In most sports, players his age aren't even contributing heavily on their teams, but some reason in Basketball it's different. We should only be able to truly assess where Oden is, after he plays a couple seasons. Anyone that thinks otherwise are rubes, that have nothing better to do.

I don't think it. It was just a slip of pessimism. I see all the positives too.

 

[BlazersBlood]

Newsflash for everybody: Greg has NEVER showed a lot of emotion on the court. Bill Simmon's compared him to Robert Parish on the court. He never seems to be too high or get too low. Right now his body language isn't the greatest, he sits on the end of the bench (on the other side of guys in street clothes), and he isn't dominating like he wants to. It's just gonna take time.