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http://www.dwightjaynes.com/

Look, my advice to Kevin Pritchard is to get Miller out of here as quickly as humanly possible. Get whatever you can for him. Chalk this one up to one big mistake and forget about trying to bring a real point guard to this team — because it’s always going to be Roy.

awww lol... i think kp is in a must trade situation.
 
http://www.dwightjaynes.com/

Look, my advice to Kevin Pritchard is to get Miller out of here as quickly as humanly possible. Get whatever you can for him. Chalk this one up to one big mistake and forget about trying to bring a real point guard to this team — because it’s always going to be Roy.

awww lol... i think kp is in a must trade situation.

Me, too. What can he get for Roy? He's got a pretty big contract, so we'll probably have to package some young prospect.
 
http://www.dwightjaynes.com/

Look, my advice to Kevin Pritchard is to get Miller out of here as quickly as humanly possible. Get whatever you can for him. Chalk this one up to one big mistake and forget about trying to bring a real point guard to this team — because it’s always going to be Roy.

awww lol... i think kp is in a must trade situation.

Actually that entire article is worth posting.

Nate McMillan handed the keys to the bus back to Brandon Roy Saturday night, right about the same time both men threw Andre Miller under it.

Hey, I’m no big Miller fan. I don’t like being in a position to defend him, either. He hasn’t played all that well so far. But that doesn’t mean there isn’t something wrong with the way this is coming down. Even after Miller was signed as a free agent, McMillan was reluctant to declare him the starter.

Then, as training camp opened, the coach made it clear he would start the players who earned it. Who played the best. But when Blake didn’t play that well in the exhibition season, he earned the starting nod, anyway.

Yeah, the Blazers played a miserable game Friday at Golden State. Yes, even though they’ve been winning, it’s been obvious Roy hasn’t been pleased with what’s going on. And everyone knows Roy needed to ditch the silly three-guard thing, quit playing small forward and get back to his normal off-guard position.

But come on, let’s get real here. It’s not as if it’s a no-brainer that Miller was the root of all Portland problems. It’s not as if he failed as the team’s starting point guard – he never got the chance to play it alongside Roy in the backcourt. There is no reason to suddenly blame everything on Miller, rather than Blake, the other starting point guard in this three-guard folly.

Why is Miller the problem, rather than Blake?

Because Brandon Roy deemed it so. Roy this season is slightly down from his career numbers in field goal shooting, three-point shooting, rebounds, assists and steals — and up in fouls and turnovers — and he’s pinning it all on Miller. That’s obvious. From the very start, he hasn’t liked Miller taking the ball out of his hands and everyone knew it.

Instead of taking control of the situation, McMillan tiptoed around it by using two point guards instead of one. It’s been all about placating Roy from the start. Why not spend 20 games with Roy being a more traditional off-guard? Learning to play off the ball, learning to move, set picks, get picks, get himself open — without pounding the ball in a spread court. Why not post him up once in a while?

He’d have been a better player for it.

But Roy didn’t want to take himself out of a comfort zone, so Blake right now looks like the most secure player in the NBA. And this change is being made during a stretch of games against mostly powder puff opponents (other than Monday night’s home game against Chicago), guaranteeing a nice little winning streak for the Roy-blessed lineup.

“I want to give the team back to Brandon,” McMillan said before the game. “It’s his team.”

That’s typical NBA coachspeak. It’s “his” team. Well, OK. I suppose then, Coach, you’ll be moving on? Why not just make Roy player-coach?

”There’s only one ball,” McMillan said before the game, although he wasn’t talking specifically about Miller and Roy.

Yeah, sure he wan’t. But by the way, there’s supposed to be only one coach, too. Who is it, Roy or McMillan? Here is what Roy said:

”I feel like we tried it (the three-guard lineup), and you could say it worked at times, but me sacrificing hurt the team, so it should get back to me playing full-out and getting some other guys in other areas to sacrifice a little bit,” Roy said.

Again, Miller is taking the fall for the failure of a three-guard lineup that was doomed from the start because Roy is not a small forward. Why isn’t Blake taking blame? Roy talked about how his own “sacrificing” was certainly a mistake. He said:

“. . . me sacrificing hurt the team…” and “getting some other guys in other areas to sacrifice a little bit.” Wow. Does that stuff make Roy look as bad as I think it does?

And get this:

“This team is going to go off my pulse,” Roy said. “Even if I’m smiling and trying to make it work, if I seem like I’m not totally comfortable, then Martell won’t be. And Rudy (Fernandez) will look like he’s in a funk. And L.A. (Aldridge) will look like he’s in a funk. They have been playing with me for a couple years and if I’m going well, they have more confidence.”

Whew! Those poor guys can’t get a thing done without Brandon Roy’s comfort level being perfect. He’s saying that if he’s pouting, nobody else can play well. Which, I guess, is probably true. And how about this stuff:

And, perhaps more important, the Blazers had what McMillan said would be their long-term starting lineup. His hope is that Miller embraces the opportunity to take over the second unit and flourishes with the control.

“I want both of them to have it. Brandon with that first group can handle a little bit more and Andre with that second group can be aggressive and make his reads,” McMillan said.

I’m sure a guy who has been a starter his entire career, who is considered one of the best point guards in the league, is really excited about taking ownership of the “second unit.”

Look, my advice to Kevin Pritchard is to get Miller out of here as quickly as humanly possible. Get whatever you can for him. Chalk this one up to one big mistake and forget about trying to bring a real point guard to this team — because it’s always going to be Roy.

This is no place for Andre Miller. McMillan wants to play Jerryd Bayless, too — and there’s no doubt now that Roy is the real point guard. You could bring Chris Paul in here and he’s not going to want to give Paul the ball.

And I’d offer this piece of free advice to Nate McMillan: It may be “Brandon Roy’s team” but if that team doesn’t win, Brandon Roy won’t get fired, you will. This is the same mistake that so many coaches make with superstars.

Yes, keep the guy happy. Yes, build the team around him. But that doesn’t mean he knows what’s best for the team and even himself at all times. You see this kind of stuff all the time in the NBA. Yes, it’s a players league. But guess what? Most of these players don’t have a chance to win until the right coach comes along.

And the great coaches know full well that all decisions aren’t easy. And they better remember that they’re hired to coach the players — and not let the players coach them.
 
roy has been nothing but a complete BITCH since the summer. why are you defending him? quite honestly he has sucked this season. now hes pushing miller out and we will be stuck with steve blake. did you watch the houston series last spring????
 
roy has been nothing but a complete BITCH since the summer. why are you defending him?

I'm not defending him. What do you think Pritchard can get for him in a trade?

did you watch the houston series last spring????

I did. Portland could have won that series if Roy had shown up. Everyone else on the team was great during that series.
 
be sarcastic all you want but you being a complete jackass if you think we dont need a trade
 
roy has been nothing but a complete BITCH since the summer. why are you defending him? quite honestly he has sucked this season. now hes pushing miller out and we will be stuck with steve blake. did you watch the houston series last spring????

Amazing. Did you just call Roy a bitch? The one player that made the all-star game 2 seasons in a row? The player that derailed us from the extremely horrible "Zblow" offense to something fun to watch? A team "HE LEAD" which we felt like we had a chance to win each and every game? The one player that was supposed to be just good enough to be a role player, but excelled his game to an all-star level?

How dare you call him a bitch. That was uncalled for and seriously "grade-school". As much as many disagreed with you, I have never once called you out on any of your incredibly negative posting. On this one, I am deeply embarrassed that you are a Blazer fan.

Signed,
MAGS
 
Some of you seem to have forgotten that it was Roy who basically brought this team out of the sewer and into brighter days. I believe he deserves some slack, and I also believe that it is very easy to take print out of context. You know where this team would be with out Roy?

In the Fucking Sewer. :banghead:
 
be sarcastic all you want but you being a complete jackass if you think we dont need a trade

I would welcome a trade for the right piece. But here is the thing. I believe the guards we need are here already. They just aren't being played.

Many of you focus on the stuff on Roy, but ignore the pieces being said about Blake and Nate. I do believe Roy should be one of the two starting guards. But I believe we should use him like Anfernee Hardaway was used. (Yes, I know he was only good his first few years, I am talking about Penny in his prime.) Fernandez or Bayless should be that other guard.

The best way to get the most out of Oden and Aldridge is to surround them with shooter/scorers. As long as you can get the ball up the floor, you are going to maximize your talent.
 
Some of you seem to have forgotten that it was Roy who basically brought this team out of the sewer and into brighter days. I believe he deserves some slack, and I also believe that it is very easy to take print out of context. You know where this team would be with out Roy?

In the Fucking Sewer. :banghead:

I saw the footage of Roy. I didn't read about it.

A strength of Roy a couple of years ago, even last year of being Humble is lacking this year. HIs ego is not in check and hasn't been since the start of the season. It's very obvious who has the keys to this team and it's not a man named McClueless.

Brandon Roy does need some slack. But Brandon Roy also needs to be called out when he is in error. And right now he is not being called out and I believe as a fan he is in error. Even Brandon Roy get's it wrong time to time. He can make misjudgements. And this is one time, he has shown misjudgment.

Furthermore, the only way this gets fixed is if the Blazers find away and someone to manage not only his ego but everyones ego on this team.

Nate, apparently isn't that guy.
 
Drafting Roy was the worst mistake this franchise has made in my lifetime.

KP should have traded up to grab Adam Morrison, or he should have still drafted LMA but then not traded Randy Foye for Roy.

Then we wouldn't have to worry about Brandon "What, does he think he's an All-Star or something?" Roy.
 
Drafting Roy was the worst mistake this franchise has made in my lifetime.

KP should have traded up to grab Adam Morrison, or he should have still drafted LMA but then not traded Randy Foye for Roy.

Then we wouldn't have to worry about Brandon "What, does he think he's an All-Star or something?" Roy.

Then you have this

:dunno:
 
Sign-and-trade for Allen Iverson?

barfo

I say we get AI, Zbo, and Tracy McGrady. Then we take bets on how long until there is a general melee about who gets to shoot the ball. I put my money on Zbo to win that fight, with 3 to 4 fatalities by gunshot, leaving the Blazers with no team to speak of left. The only guy who won't be shot, will be Steve Blake, who will still be starting because Nate is still coach. :)
 
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god forbid the franchise player giving input for the betterment of the team.
 
god forbid the franchise player giving input for the betterment of the team.

Kobe Bryant has been much more vocal in the past and has called out teammates by name, even wanting one to be traded. Two years later, they are standing on a podium together as NBA champions.

Perhaps Roy needs to become even more vocal?
 
Kobe Bryant has been much more vocal in the past and has called out teammates by name, even wanting one to be traded. Two years later, they are standing on a podium together as NBA champions.

Perhaps Roy needs to become even more vocal?

Ha ha I just posted that exact same thing on another thread. Well said. Stars win in this league. Thats the facts. This isn't the little league where "everybody plays" is a good thing.
 
God forbid another Mixum seeing everything black thread...

This is fun, we can do this all day!
 
What a big bunch of trying to make something out of nothing. Miller isn't playing in the starting rotation for one simple reason: he isn't now and has never been a guy who could consistantly knock down a perimeter jumper. Roy is the team's star and to pretend otherwise is stupid. You maximize your star's strengths by playing him with guys who work with those strengths. Blake, when he's not in a slump, has been that guy all of last season and is starting to return to form for this season. Miller is a fast break, penetrate and dish or draw the foul kind of a PG (although he's certainly looked slow this year probably because of the ankle sprains, but maybe due to age) who would reduce Brandon to a spot up jump shooter. On the other hand, Miller fits very well with the running strength of the second unit.

There's a reason that KP went first for Hedo: his ability to shoot from the perimeter fits with Brandon's game.
 
What a big bunch of trying to make something out of nothing. Miller isn't playing in the starting rotation for one simple reason: he isn't now and has never been a guy who could consistantly knock down a perimeter jumper. Roy is the team's star and to pretend otherwise is stupid.

Oh I see, so Blake playing down the stretch while Rudy sits on the bench makes sense now.....

:crazy:

and I am not one to agree with Mixum, but the "Roy homers" have completely lost touch with reality.....
 
Oh I see, so Blake playing down the stretch while Rudy sits on the bench makes sense now.....

:crazy:

and I am not one to agree with Mixum, but the "Roy homers" have completely lost touch with reality.....

I am not a Roy Homer as much as a person that totally embraced what he's done for this franchise. I have criticized him a lot so far this season, but never to a point like some in here comparing him to Kobe and his ass-nine bitching to fans on the street.

Fact is, Roy can say what's on his mind because he earned it. What the coaching staff decides to do with it is their decision. And if any of you are fine with Roy being traded, leads me to believe you would rather have role players run this team, while you give a choke hold to the stars.

What we should really complain about is the 7 shots a game Oden is getting. That is the travesty.
 
On a serious note I don't think he wanted Hedo either, or at least wasn't very interested in the idea.
 
Oh I see, so Blake playing down the stretch while Rudy sits on the bench makes sense now.....

:crazy:

and I am not one to agree with Mixum, but the "Roy homers" have completely lost touch with reality.....

Rudy has been playing 30 MPG on average since Travis went down.
Blake and Miller have been playing around 32 MPG on average in this time.

I have no problem with Rudy playing more, but if you actually look at game scores during this period - it is Rudy, Blake and Miller in this order.

Maybe we need to play Miller less?
 
What we should really complain about is the 7 shots a game Oden is getting. That is the travesty.

Well, get ready for that number to DECREASE. Andre Miller is the one player on this team that actually gets the ball to Greg Oden in the low post - and now he's been demoted and all the fingers are pointing at HIM as the source of all the Blazers problems.

I can't believe I'm agreeing with Dwight Jaynes (but I said it last week, too before his column came out). The problem with the 3 guard line-up is NOT Andre Miller - it's forcing Brandon Roy (and Steve Blake) to play out of position. We have yet to see if Roy and Miller can co-exist as a starting backcourt. The big assumption is they can't - I'd like to see that assumption validated (or disproven) by letting them actually start together for a few games and see how it works out.

If not, look for Greg to have a lot of games where he get's 4 - 5 FGA per game - mostly off putbacks, because if there is one thing that HAS been proven, last season and this one so far, it's that neither Blake nor Roy can/will feed Oden the ball in the low post.

BNM
 
Well, get ready for that number to DECREASE. Andre Miller is the one player on this team that actually gets the ball to Greg Oden in the low post - and now he's been demoted and all the fingers are pointing at HIM as the source of all the Blazers problems.

I can't believe I'm agreeing with Dwight Jaynes (but I said it last week, too before his column came out). The problem with the 3 guard line-up is NOT Andre Miller - it's forcing Brandon Roy (and Steve Blake) to play out of position. We have yet to see if Roy and Miller can co-exist as a starting backcourt. The big assumption is they can't - I'd like to see that assumption validated (or disproven) by letting them actually start together for a few games and see how it works out.

If not, look for Greg to have a lot of games where he get's 4 - 5 FGA per game - mostly off putbacks, because if there is one thing that HAS been proven, last season and this one so far, it's that neither Blake nor Roy can/will feed Oden the ball in the low post.

BNM

Isn't this great though? Because it's obvious Oden needs to the ball more and the pressure is on Roy and Nate to do this. If Oden is truly going to have reduced touches, then they are wrong and it's on them, not anyone else. So if Roy wants things "Status Quo" then he better take it on himself to make sure Oden gets it.
 

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