Bogus! WTF is going on in the Oregon House?

[Chris Craig]

Did you see the one asshole senator that was in hiding and when he got word that state police were going to go find the senators and bring them back to do their job and said they better come heavily armed as he has plenty of guns and ammo and would kill anyone trying to bring him in. That idiot needs to be removed immediately.

Immediately...how does he still have a job

 

[riverman]

Immediately...how does he still have a job

Nobody else wants it...amazing how many local ballots here have one choice and a write in box...people don't even run anymore it seems...so you're going to get some wack jobs with time on their hands

 

[jonnyboy]

Immediately...how does he still have a job

Also, why are police being sent to round up senators? Extreme and egregious overreach by the governor. Senators have walked out of hearings many times in the past, it is not unprecedented. Governors using the state police as their personal goon squad is definitely unprecedented.

 

[Chris Craig]

Also, why are police being sent to round up senators? Extreme and egregious overreach by the governor. Senators have walked out of hearings many times in the past, it is not unprecedented. Governors using the state police as their personal goon squad is definitely unprecedented.

I don't know. Not sure I agree with it either

 

[barfo]

Also, why are police being sent to round up senators? Extreme and egregious overreach by the governor. Senators have walked out of hearings many times in the past, it is not unprecedented. Governors using the state police as their personal goon squad is definitely unprecedented.

Nope, it is definitely precedented:

Walkouts in Oregon politics are rare but not unprecedented

Author: KGW Staff, Associated Press
Published: 7:09 PM PDT June 20, 2019
Updated: 6:23 PM PDT June 21, 2019

SALEM, Ore. — For the second time this year, Oregon Senate Republicans have walked out in protest of legislation being pushed by Democrats, who have supermajorities in both the House and Senate.

The latest walkout, which began Thursday, is in protest of a cap-and-trade energy conservation bill aimed at dramatically lowering the state's greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.

While walking out and using state police to find legislators is uncommon, it’s not unprecedented.

Republicans walked out of the Senate earlier this session in protest of a school funding tax package, denying the chamber enough lawmakers to continue with a vote. The sergeant-at-arms of the Oregon Senate was ordered to search the Capitol for Republican senators who were refusing to attend. The standoff lasted four days, until the governor struck a deal to table legislation on gun control and vaccine requirements.

In 2007, state troopers were sent to an Oregon State University baseball game to bring Republican senators, who walked out over a tax deal, back to the Capitol. A different senator reportedly attended the floor session, without police assistance, to provide quorum.

In 2001, House Democrats staged a five-day walkout to prevent a Republican maneuver to redraw state legislative districts. Brown, who was the Senate Democratic leader, supported the walkout.

In 1971, both House and Senate Democrats staged walkouts. Old newspaper clippings showed state police were ordered to arrest the absent senators. Police didn’t find them. The Democratic lawmakers returned to work days later.

The walkout tactic has also been used outside of Oregon, sometimes creating comical scenes. Abraham Lincoln once leapt out of a window in an attempt to deny a quorum when he was a lawmaker in Illinois.

In Washington D.C. three decades ago, U.S. Sen. Bob Packwood (R-Oregon) was carried feet first into the Senate chamber after Democrats ordered the arrest of Republican senators who were denying a quorum.

barfo

 

[Natebishop3]

I never used the word racist

But aren’t you basically accusing someone of being racist if you think they would feel differently if the race was different?

 

[Lanny]

It's the state senate. The house is controlled by Democrats. The senate seats are largely rural and so there are a disproportionate number of senators who are Republican. Right now it is 18 Democrats and 11 Republicans.
Elections should have consequences and since Democrats control the house, the senate and the governor's office they should be able to legislate what the people obviously want. So, why aren't the Republicans in their seats? Poor losers I'd say.

 

[Lanny]

But aren’t you basically accusing someone of being racist if you think they would feel differently if the race was different?

You are only a racist if you think a race is inferior because of their race.

 

[riverman]

I wouldn't say all Republicans are racist, that's for sure, but I may consider that here stateside most likely almost all racists are Republicans or non affiliated with politics at all......and I sure as hell don't understand it in 2019.....sad...the GOP has generally throughout modern history failed to attract votes from many, if any civil rights advocates.

 

[dviss1]

Some of the members of the militias say senators personally called and asked for their help. Now, of course the republican senators won't admit to it pubicly. They would lose their jobs and be thrown in the hoosegow.

Hmmm... How do you have a right wing militia on speed dial?

 

[dviss1]

Dems have skipped work before in Texas but if its a cause that aligns with your political leanings its ok, its not than its not. Thus both sides, same crap different day.

Really? You gonna bring up some weird ass TX politics to explain your "both sides" argument?

What's happening in OR as we speak? Republicans teaming up with right wing militias to avoid doing their goddamn jobs...

Alright, well stop with the both sides stuff when in this instance it's Republicans acting stupid. This ain't democracy...

 

[dviss1]

I really really really don't like this trend of equating all Republicans as racists. It's stereotyping and frankly it's pretty bigoted.

Really quick tho:

 

[dviss1]

You are only a racist if you think a race is inferior because of their race.

That's not what racism is. Racism requires a system of power for subjugation.

I can't deny someone housing, or good healthcare because their white..

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Really? You gonna bring up some weird ass TX politics to explain your "both sides" argument?

What's happening in OR as we speak? Republicans teaming up with right wing militias to avoid doing their goddamn jobs...

Alright, well stop with the both sides stuff when in this instance it's Republicans acting stupid. This ain't democracy...

Feel like I already said what I had to say on this subject in this thread in fact.

Im honestly not really in favor of this bill, at least as constructed, but I still believe the republicans should show up vote, lose, go home and shut up and try to amend it or something later on.

Bringing in militia’s and all that is crap.

I absolutely understand why smaller town conservatives would be frustrated at the politics in this state, but grow up seriously. Threatening violence is what my 3 year old does when she doesn't get her way, its not what adults should do.

Got nothing else really to say.

 

[Chris Craig]

Hmmm... How do you have a right wing militia on speed dial?

Being part of one already

 

[Road Ratt]

That is... right wing terrorists. It's pretty clear that many of these "militia" groups have no idea of what a true militia is suppose to be used for.

 

[Natebishop3]

That's not what racism is. Racism requires a system of power for subjugation.

I can't deny someone housing, or good healthcare because their white..

Serious question, but what would you call hatred between two races that isn't necessarily racism? I use terms like bigotry but I'm not sure exactly where it falls.

 

[dviss1]

Serious question, but what would you call hatred between two races that isn't necessarily racism? I use terms like bigotry but I'm not sure exactly where it falls.

Prejudice.

 

[Natebishop3]

Prejudice.

Yeah, I'd agree with that. At the end of the day, I don't think the word matters. It's the feeling of hatred or superiority that's horrible and I wish people would stop.

 

[dviss1]

Yeah, I'd agree with that. At the end of the day, I don't think the word matters. It's the feeling of hatred or superiority that's horrible and I wish people would stop.

It's not just a feeling. It's an overall belief and an espousing of that belief:

Like when Laura Ingraham says some shit like:

"white people won, get over it" Or tells Lebron to "shut up and dribble".

Like I said before, nobody tells Jews to "get over it" about the holocaust.

Also, instead of comparing the holocaust to slavery (which included murder, rape etc..) just know that that was OUR holocaust and there's no such thing as getting "over it"..

 

[Lanny]

That's not what racism is. Racism requires a system of power for subjugation.

I can't deny someone housing, or good healthcare because their white..

No, racism does not require power although it usually involves the use of power. I once knew a Vietnamese guy who hated Blacks. He certainly had no power but he was a damned racist. Funny thing is that I know Whites who hate Vietnamese.
Me? I only have hostility toward racists. I do not tolerate it in my presence whoever practices it. I once slugged a guy for denigrating my wife while not knowing I was right behind him. I wouldn't tolerate it if it was your wife or sister or mother or aunt or any other minority's loved female. I might let a little go by if the victim were a man but if it got to be too much I would stand up and be counted even if I had to raise my fist. Hopefully, every man in here would do the same.

 

[dviss1]

No, racism does not require power although it usually involves the use of power. I once knew a Vietnamese guy who hated Blacks. He certainly had no power but he was a damned racist. Funny thing is that I know Whites who hate Vietnamese.
Me? I only have hostility toward racists. I do not tolerate it in my presence whoever practices it. I once slugged a guy for denigrating my wife while not knowing I was right behind him. I wouldn't tolerate it if it was your wife or sister or mother or aunt or any other minority's loved female. I might let a little go by if the victim were a man but if it got to be too much I would stand up and be counted even if I had to raise my fist. Hopefully, every man in here would do the same.

We disagree on the definition of racism. You're referring to the Merriam Webster's dictionary definition. That was written BY the racists.

The Vietnamese guy was prejudiced against black people. There's a difference.

 

[Lanny]

We disagree on the definition of racism. You're referring to the Merriam Webster's dictionary definition. That was written BY the racists.

The Vietnamese guy was prejudiced against black people. There's a difference.

No, I'm not quoting Webster.
Must be a generational thing.

 

[dviss1]

No, I'm not quoting Webster.
Must be a generational thing.

No, most people define racism as simply hating another of a different skin tone. There's much more to it than that.

 

[Lanny]

No, most people define racism as simply hating another of a different skin tone. There's much more to it than that.

Like it or not the definitions of words depends on large numbers of people who accept the meaning. Personal preferences not so defined are reserved as persoan preferences.

 

[dviss1]

Like it or not the definitions of words depends on large numbers of people who accept the meaning. Personal preferences not so defined are reserved as persoan preferences.

Right.

Nobody black believes racism is defined that way. You know, the people that experience it at varying degrees daily?

It's not only "hey black guy, I hate you".

 

[Lanny]

Right.

Nobody black believes racism is defined that way. You know, the people that experience it at varying degrees daily?

It's not only "hey black guy, I hate you".

I've been keenly aware of racism for the last 60 years. I'll bet that's longer than you. And yes, I've experienced it while in Vietnam and Korea and I've seen my wife and friends subjected to it. I think I know pretty well what it is when I see it.

 

[jonnyboy]

That's not what racism is. Racism requires a system of power for subjugation.

I can't deny someone housing, or good healthcare because their white..

Nor can I deny a black person those things. Power, like you said, is the only thing that allows one to take those things from people. There are plenty of white people in dire circumstances that you probably wouldn’t consider victims of racism.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[dviss1]

Nor can I deny a black person those things.

Really? You can deny me LIFE and get away with it.

See George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin.