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So again, I didn't see him say that. I'm sorry if that offends you. I've asked for clarification or screenshots of him saying these things and nobody has shared them to me and I'm unable to find them.

If he said these things I find it hard to believe it would be difficult to find screenshots of it.
If Barfo wrote something like, "All non-pirates need to be executed," and I quoted him and responded with, "you are speaking the actual truth," how would you feel? Would you infer that I agreed with him? What if later I qualified that with, "I have nothing against non-pirates, but all of this hate needs to stop."? Would that somehow negate my agreeing with the initial statement?

Your logic here makes no sense, and only acts to enable highly shitty genocidal language. It makes you sound like a Nazi sympathizer.
 
All non-pirates need to be executed.

There, I said it, and I'm not sorry.

barfo
 
All non-pirates need to be executed.

There, I said it, and I'm not sorry.

barfo
You are speaking the actual truth.


But to clarify, I don't hate non-pirates, I just agree that they all should die. There, I am in the clear now. Pheww.
 
Except I didn't say that nothing offends me. You took what I said to an extreme in an attempt to support your being offended.

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barfo
 
If Barfo wrote something like, "All non-pirates need to be executed," and I quoted him and responded with, "you are speaking the actual truth," how would you feel? Would you infer that I agreed with him? What if later I qualified that with, "I have nothing against non-pirates, but all of this hate needs to stop."? Would that somehow negate my agreeing with the initial statement?

Your logic here makes no sense, and only acts to enable highly shitty genocidal language. It makes you sound like a Nazi sympathizer.
Okay. Please show me the links or screenshots in which Musk did this and I'll take this post seriously and apologize.
 
I knew we were getting dumbed down but now people play connect the dots without clear dots to connect. They just add dots where needed in order to finish painting their picture.
Its jsut crazy.
We should go back to color by numbers. But then people are already saying 2+2 = 5.
Were so lost when people cant separate facts from opinions and alot of that is happening in here….
 
Okay. Please show me the links or screenshots in which Musk did this and I'll take this post seriously and apologize.
You have already seen it. It has been mentioned several times, including in a link you posted.

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Unless you think agreeing with anti-jewish conspiracy theories is A-okay. This is the same conspiracy espoused by every neo-nazi on the planet, including those that have already acted on the their beliefs, like the Tree of Life synagogue shooter.

You think this is okay? You think this is a normal thing to call "the actual truth?" Are some of your synapses not firing?
 

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Times of Israel

Elon Musk amplifies call by antisemites to ban the ADL from X

Boss of platform formerly known as Twitter asks his followers if he should poll the platform about the hashtag #BanTheADL, embraced by white nationalists and others on far right

JTA — Elon Musk is engaging with white nationalists and antisemites who want to ban the Anti-Defamation League from Twitter, the influential social media platform he now calls “X.”

Musk on Saturday asked his followers whether he should poll the platform about a hashtag, #BanTheADL, embraced in recent days by white nationalists and others on the far right.

Musk had earlier “liked” the tweet launching the hashtag by Keith Woods, an Irish white nationalist and self-described “raging antisemite.”


“The ADL’s favourite tactic is financially blackmailing social media companies into removing free speech on their platforms,” Woods said in his Aug. 31 tweet. “Why should they have a platform on X to hold @elonmusk to ransom? It’s time to #BanTheADL.”

Musk liked two subsequent tweets by Woods, who touted Musk’s support to his followers. The hashtag was widely embraced on Twitter by the far right, including by Andrew Torba, a Christian nationalist who refuses to speak with Jewish reporters and who founded Gab, a social media site, as a redoubt for the far right after Twitter started banning extremists. The shooter who killed 11 Jews at prayer in a Pittsburgh synagogue in 2018 broadcast hours plans on Gab before the attack.

Woods’ tweet came after a day after Jonathan Greenblatt, the ADL’s CEO, spoke with Linda Yaccarino, the CEO of X, about users trafficking in hate on the platform. The ADL has tracked massive spikes in racist, antisemitic and homophobic content and harassment since Musk bought the platform last year and restored extremist accounts banned under the previous management.

Greenblatt sounded positive about his conversation with Yaccarino, named to the job earlier this year after Musk ostensibly promised to cede leadership to a professional.

“I had a very frank + productive conversation with @LindayaX yesterday about @X, what works and what doesn’t, and where it needs to go to address hate effectively on the platform,” Greenblatt tweeted on Aug. 30. “I appreciated her reaching out and I’m hopeful the service will improve. @ADL will be vigilant and give her and @ElonMusk credit if the service gets better… and reserve the right to call them out until it does.”

In its response, the ADL attacked those who launched the campaign but did not mention Musk or his encouragement of the campaign.

“ADL is unsurprised yet undeterred that antisemites, white supremacists, conspiracy theorists and other trolls have launched a coordinated attack on our organization,” said a statement emailed to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency.

“This onslaught comes following our participation in the 60th Anniversary of the March on Washington, where ADL proudly marched shoulder-to-shoulder with African-American leaders and those from other minority communities,” the statement said. “It also follows a meeting with the leadership of X, formerly known as Twitter, that clearly upset these hateful groups. Such insidious efforts don’t daunt us. Instead, they drive us to be unflinching in our commitment to fight hate in all its forms and ensure the safety of Jewish communities and other marginalized groups.”

The ADL has criticized Musk but also has sought to accommodate some of his requests, including issuing a condemnation last month of an Apartheid-era fight song calling to kill white farmers. Musk, who is a native South African, claimed the song supports anti-white hate. In May, Musk clashed with the ADL after it took him to task for echoing antisemitic tropes in his attack on George Soros, the liberal Jewish megadonor and hedge funder.

Musk, who claims to be a “free speech absolutist” has banned and made legal threats against journalists and others whose questions, tweets and statements upset him, with a focus on those, like the ADL, that track hate on the platform. In July, he sued the Center for Countering Digital Hate for its reports on Twitter.

Musk’s poll question on Saturday, “Perhaps we should run a poll on this?” quoted an endorsement of the trend by a Dutch right-winger. In exchanges in the replies, which are overwhelmingly positive, Musk said the century-old Jewish civil rights group has been “hijacked by the woke mind virus” and says it would be funny if it were sued for defamation.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/elon-musk-amplifies-call-by-antisemites-to-ban-the-adl-from-x/
 
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You have already seen it. It has been mentioned several times, including in a link you posted.

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Unless you think agreeing with anti-jewish conspiracy theories is A-okay. This is the same conspiracy espoused by every neo-nazi on the planet, including those that have already acted on the their beliefs, like the Tree of Life synagogue shooter.

You think this is okay? You think this is a normal thing to call "the actual truth?" Are some of your synapses not firing?
That link isn't the same as what you posted. Nobody is advocating for any harm against anyone as far as I can tell.

Perhaps I'm just not knowledgeable enough regarding these claims to know I should be upset.

I've never seen Musk support harming anybody or make any statements about the behavior of any specific race, so it just looks to me like he's gotten frustrated with some blowback he's receiving, possibly due to the Starlink/Ukraine situation.

Judging by the way I've heard him discussing the Israel/Palestine conflict he didn't come off as an antisemite.

This seems to make the most sense to me.

However, if he's going to allow offensive propaganda on his platform and then run ads next to it he's probably not going to keep many sponsors. This is partly why I think he'll fail with X.

It still seems a reach to be calling somebody a racist for calling out somebody as displaying racist or antisocial tendencies... Or to be associating it with any kind of conspiracy.

That seems like a dangerous precedent.

But, as I said, I fully support the companies pulling out from having their ads displayed next to offensive content.
 
This feels more and more like trying to talk to an antivaxxer. No matter how many studies you show demonstrating the difference in infection and death rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated they keep saying there is no connection.
 
That link isn't the same as what you posted. Nobody is advocating for any harm against anyone as far as I can tell.

Perhaps I'm just not knowledgeable enough regarding these claims to know I should be upset.

I've never seen Musk support harming anybody or make any statements about the behavior of any specific race, so it just looks to me like he's gotten frustrated with some blowback he's receiving, possibly due to the Starlink/Ukraine situation.

Judging by the way I've heard him discussing the Israel/Palestine conflict he didn't come off as an antisemite.

This seems to make the most sense to me.

However, if he's going to allow offensive propaganda on his platform and then run ads next to it he's probably not going to keep many sponsors. This is partly why I think he'll fail with X.

It still seems a reach to be calling somebody a racist for calling out somebody as displaying racist or antisocial tendencies... Or to be associating it with any kind of conspiracy.

That seems like a dangerous precedent.

But, as I said, I fully support the companies pulling out from having their ads displayed next to offensive content.
Its very dangerous but far from a precedent. Some have been connecting dots like this for years….
 
That link isn't the same as what you posted. Nobody is advocating for any harm against anyone as far as I can tell.

It's a classic anti-jewish conspiracy theory. Calling it the truth only means one thing. I'm not sure if you are purposefully obfuscating this, or if you are truly incapable of understanding. I am astounded by how much you are bending over backwards for this.

You can surely reply to this, as is your right, but I think I am done talking to you. This is the kind of behavior that "good Germans" had that allowed Nazism to take power. I hope you do some reading and some soul-searching before it comes to that.
 
This feels more and more like trying to talk to an antivaxxer. No matter how many studies you show demonstrating the difference in infection and death rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated they keep saying there is no connection.
Unfortunately I wasn't greeted with studies. Mostly just people claiming that calling somebody a hypocrite is the same as saying they want that person executed.

And then attacking a person for being dubious of that claim.

However, some people were interested in sharing information, so it's more clear now after reading some of the additional links that the ADL has a problem with what Musk is allowing on X (reasonably so, as do many others), and he's getting a ton of pressure for it from from sponsors.

It doesn't seem like that far of a stretch to link his response here as being directed at the ADL due to that corporate pressure. I'd welcome any other links anybody would like to share.

I apologize if my ignorance of the situation has offended some of you. That wasn't my intention.

I'm still not convinced Musk is racist or antisemitic, but I do appreciate the additional links that have been shared and feel I am now better educated on the topic and will be more aware in the future.
 
I guess if ADL wasn't so mean to poor little Elon ....
I think the ADL is supposed to be mean to Musk in this case. They have to push hard on that side.

Totally understandable from their perspective, as far as I can tell.

I'm not sure exactly where the line on free speech should be, but confrontations like this should help clarify that.

So hopefully something good comes from it.
 
However, some people were interested in sharing information, so it's more clear now after reading some of the additional links that the ADL has a problem with what Musk is allowing on X (reasonably so, as do many others), and he's getting a ton of pressure for it from from sponsors.

I think "promoting", "encouraging", or "sponsoring" would be more accurate than "allowing".

It's not like he owns a bar and some Nazis wandered in, and hey, he's in the business of selling drinks, so he serves them. [That's the Zuckerberg Bar down the street]

It's more like he owns a bar and is advertising "Nazis drink free on Fridays!"

barfo
 
I think "promoting", "encouraging", or "sponsoring" would be more accurate than "allowing".

It's not like he owns a bar and some Nazis wandered in, and hey, he's in the business of selling drinks, so he serves them. [That's the Zuckerberg Bar down the street]

It's more like he owns a bar and is advertising "Nazis drink free on Fridays!"

barfo
Solid point. I think he's trying to be content agnostic, and let the algorithm choose the ads.

He's going to find out that it will not work if he wants to make money on the site.

If he just wants to run it at a loss with no advertising so he can say he's the steward of free speech it'll probably turn into the next 4chan.

I don't think he's interested in doing that.
 
Malicious defamation isn't considered "speech". There's a long precedent of that in US law.

X's case, is that Media Matters created new accounts, and went around following accounts who were putting out certain content, in order to create timelines that were dominated by that content. They then published those timelines with the ads in order to harm their advertising. So yeah, X does allow free speech, within certain limits. But it only shows you that stuff if you follow or engage with those accounts.
 
I can put this in a context many of you on here can understand. Imagine if Elon Musk never bought Twitter.

A christian conservative group created accounts, and followed a bunch of accounts that promote the concept of "MAP acceptance". Then constructed a timeline filled with that content next to ads to make it look like Twitter was actively promoting that content in order, to scare advertisers away from the platform. You might agree, there's a legal case there.

Because that is not the same thing as simply reporting example of content that is allowed to be on Twitter (which is perfectly acceptable to do).

Anyway, sorry to interrrupt, back to your "ELON MUSK IS A NAZIII" rantings....
 
So, I think your defense has some holes, but maybe I don't understand it. I definitely don't understand what "MAP acceptance" means.

It's clearly not the case that there's some sort of magic algorithm that keeps normal advertisements from appearing alongside Nazi content, or it wouldn't be possible to show the two together without photoshopping, and that's not the claim here. So I guess the claim is that it's ok to show normal advertisements next to Nazi content, as long as only Nazis see them together?

There are a few problems with that. First of all, there isn't some sort of magic algorithm that prevents normal humans from seeing Nazi content on Xitter. In fact it's quite the opposite. The whole point of Elon's so-called free speech movement is to get Nazi content in front of normal people. If the Nazis (and I'm obviously using Nazi here as a shorthand for lots of different types of deplorables) just wanted to just talk to each other, they already have lots of platforms for that. If Elon didn't want normal people to see Nazi content, he could have kept them off the platform or at least not amplified their messages to his own followers - some of whom are, or at least were, normal humans. In fact, at one point early this year, Elon forced everyone to see his posts, don't know if that's still the case today.

Edit: forgot one point - it is probably the case that even if Nazi content was only visible to Nazis and no one else, the advertisers wouldn't want to have their ads show next to it. Note that most reputable companies don't advertise on sites catering specifically to Nazis.

barfo
 
So, I think your defense has some holes, but maybe I don't understand it. I definitely don't understand what "MAP acceptance" means.

It's clearly not the case that there's some sort of magic algorithm that keeps normal advertisements from appearing alongside Nazi content, or it wouldn't be possible to show the two together without photoshopping, and that's not the claim here. So I guess the claim is that it's ok to show normal advertisements next to Nazi content, as long as only Nazis see them together?

There are a few problems with that. First of all, there isn't some sort of magic algorithm that prevents normal humans from seeing Nazi content on Xitter. In fact it's quite the opposite. The whole point of Elon's so-called free speech movement is to get Nazi content in front of normal people. If the Nazis (and I'm obviously using Nazi here as a shorthand for lots of different types of deplorables) just wanted to just talk to each other, they already have lots of platforms for that. If Elon didn't want normal people to see Nazi content, he could have kept them off the platform or at least not amplified their messages to his own followers - some of whom are, or at least were, normal humans. In fact, at one point early this year, Elon forced everyone to see his posts, don't know if that's still the case today.

Edit: forgot one point - it is probably the case that even if Nazi content was only visible to Nazis and no one else, the advertisers wouldn't want to have their ads show next to it. Note that most reputable companies don't advertise on sites catering specifically to Nazis.

barfo
MAP is an acronym for "Minor Attracted Person". It's meant to legitimize pedophilia.

The X algorithm shows you things you follow and comment on, among other things. I've never seen any "nazi content" on the platform. I could GET it to appear in my feed, by searching for it, following and engaging in those accounts.

Your statement that free speech is to get nazi content in front of people is absolutely false.
 
MAP is an acronym for "Minor Attracted Person". It's meant to legitimize pedophilia.

Ok. You are the only one I've ever seen use it.

The X algorithm shows you things you follow and comment on, among other things.

"among other things"

I've never seen any "nazi content" on the platform.

If you follow (or are forced to follow) Elon, you would have.

Your statement that free speech is to get nazi content in front of people is absolutely false.

That's an assertion that flies in the face of evidence already presented here.

barfo
 
Edit: forgot one point - it is probably the case that even if Nazi content was only visible to Nazis and no one else, the advertisers wouldn't want to have their ads show next to it. Note that most reputable companies don't advertise on sites catering specifically to Nazis.

Certainly this. No upstanding company wants to sponsor Nazi (or racist/maga) content. I'm sure no sponsors will come back unless there are assurances it will not happen again. In fact, I'd be willing to bet it will be in the contract and X would owe damages if it were to happen again.

There is no way to monetize that content outside the MAGA bubble. X will never be profitable if doesn't shut that down.
 
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