Yang progress

[kjironman1]

Before we give up on Yang we need to realize some things. On offense when he has the ball he is looking to assist to someone with a vision of a certain center for the nuggets. Can invision him learning to run the offense from the post, and Deni would be his primary tool. He wouldn't be the center. He would be the High post with Donivan the center, Cam Forward, Deni gruad, and shaedon guard. Guess you could call Yang the point center. To do this he would need to follow Donavan's training style. First year a tall and talented. Second year, a Beahist. Weights and conditioning. Simple. Right ?

Maybe? He just seems a very long ways away from being able to do that.

 

[BassPlaya]

Interesting how I read of other Blazers bad ball handling, sloppy passes, and jittery handles...but don't see those same people praising this kids hands. He has special hands, aim, and vision of ball directing at a very young age and for such a large human. Selective complaining/praising?

 

[Domihatin]

Interesting how I read of other Blazers bad ball handling, sloppy passes, and jittery handles...but don't see those same people praising this kids hands. He has special hands, aim, and vision of ball directing at a very young age and for such a large human. Selective complaining/praising?

I know. I think it is selective and narrow and seriously wouldn't doubt there's some anti-China mentality thrown in there. It's also, "I'm old and miserable and I'm going to rain on every parade possible before I die," way of operating. Old curmudgeons and codgers with glasses half empty (strike that, glasses are broken!) and the whole world is out to get them and everything is a disappointment if it wasn't their idea.

 

[PCmor7]

Interesting how I read of other Blazers bad ball handling, sloppy passes, and jittery handles...but don't see those same people praising this kids hands. He has special hands, aim, and vision of ball directing at a very young age and for such a large human. Selective complaining/praising?

Huh?

 

[wizenheimer]

Interesting how I read of other Blazers bad ball handling, sloppy passes, and jittery handles...but don't see those same people praising this kids hands. He has special hands, aim, and vision of ball directing at a very young age and for such a large human. Selective complaining/praising?

he has 16 assists vs 17 turnovers; he's shooting under 30% on FG's and only 16% on three's. And you're wondering why people aren't praising him for what he does with the ball?

by the way, last season, in the CBA, Yang had 136 assists....and 137 turnovers. Kind of looks like a pattern

 

[kjironman1]

he has 16 assists vs 17 turnovers; he's shooting under 30% on FG's and only 16% on three's. And you're wondering why people aren't praising him for what he does with the ball?

by the way, last season, in the CBA, Yang had 136 assists....and 137 turnovers. Kind of looks like a pattern

Yeah but you are old and hate China and don’t want him to succeed because it isn’t your idea to say he is succeeding. You’re also selective and Narrow in your thinking and I suspect your glasses are broken.
I’m certain you yell at children to get off your lawn.

 

[riverman]

Excellent observation. Think the English thing will not take long, but he does speak Basketball pretty well. The best thing I like is watching him when he gets the ball and planning his next assist. He can see much without moving his head. Let me think of others besides the best player in the league now. Hmmm - Pistol Pete Marivich. Magic Johnson.

He's got the perfect coach. Tiago had to learn the center position in a second language as well being from Brazil. Welcome to the forum! There are a lot of guys that'll help him adjust to the NBA game in the locker room.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

he has 16 assists vs 17 turnovers; he's shooting under 30% on FG's and only 16% on three's. And you're wondering why people aren't praising him for what he does with the ball?

by the way, last season, in the CBA, Yang had 136 assists....and 137 turnovers. Kind of looks like a pattern

That stat from the CBA is really concerning. Did Blazer brass also only look at cherry-picked highlight reels.? Because I did, and that stat really surprised me.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

IMO, you want a young player to be daring/risky with their assist attempts. How else do you learn?

Magic, Harden, and Westbrook all average almost 4 per game. Not saying that Yang is going to be that good, but this is the time you want him to push limits.

I was a Steve Blake fan, but imo he didn't push things far enough at times.

Give Yang consistent minutes with some of the same players. have a few plays they can run in certain situations, Yang passing out of the high post, Yang recieving the ball after setting a screen.

If he fucks up, he fucks up. But that's how he learns.

 

[blazerfan11]

Adams was stiff-arming Yang out of his set position and sometimes out of bounds, clearly should be a foul.
What should Yang be told to do? No player in the NBA can stand their ground in that situation.
Yang can't grab Adams' arm.
I'm inclined to think Yang needs to learn to flop when Adams shoves him and extends his arm all the way.

 

[blazerkor]

Adams was stiff-arming Yang out of his set position and sometimes out of bounds, clearly should be a foul.
What should Yang be told to do? No player in the NBA can stand their ground in that situation.
Yang can't grab Adams' arm.
I'm inclined to think Yang needs to learn to flop when Adams shoves him and extends his arm all the way.

That's complicated by Adams being a vet known for his physical play and Yang being a rookie. I really think in this matchup you just ask Yang to do his best to compete and know he's going to get pushed off his spot a bunch and probably have some fouls called on him after Adams initiates the illegal contact like we saw last game.

 

[Samuel]

Adams was stiff-arming Yang out of his set position and sometimes out of bounds, clearly should be a foul.
What should Yang be told to do? No player in the NBA can stand their ground in that situation.
Yang can't grab Adams' arm.
I'm inclined to think Yang needs to learn to flop when Adams shoves him and extends his arm all the way.

Adams was such a jedi master in that game he knows all the little tricks. The kickout he did on that rebound to draw the foul on Yang was Steph/Harden-esque.

 

[kjironman1]

Adams was such a jedi master in that game he knows all the little tricks. The kickout he did on that rebound to draw the foul on Yang was Steph/Harden-esque.

Yang needs minutes like this against players like that. Problem is the team can’t have him out there more than 5-10 mins at a time.

 

[blazerfan11]

Adams was stiff-arming Yang out of his set position and sometimes out of bounds, clearly should be a foul.
What should Yang be told to do? No player in the NBA can stand their ground in that situation.
Yang can't grab Adams' arm.
I'm inclined to think Yang needs to learn to flop when Adams shoves him and extends his arm all the way.

Yang did exactly what I was suggesting by falling down from an extended arm by Adams, and drew the foul on Adams.

 

[BBert]

Shaedon is taking over. Points, rebounds, assists

 

[BBert]

Then he misses two in the key. That jinx is on me.

 

[cheesehoff]

Get Hansen 10-15 mins a game. Play him next to Rob as much as possible. They compliment each other perfectly. Rob is as good as anybody in the game at erasing teammates mistakes on the def end. Hansen can facilitate some and will only get better at 3 pt shooting. His best trait that I think guarantees he won't be a bust is his intelligence. Jokic is the perfect guy for him to emulate on offense and practicing every day against DC and Rob will benefit him. It's kind of comical that people even mention bust when talking about him. At the very least, I think Hansen will have a long career as a backup C and I can easily see him being a very productive facilitator on the second unit.

 

[Samuel]

Yang needs minutes like this against players like that. Problem is the team can’t have him out there more than 5-10 mins at a time.

(caveat: not a yang person and was against the pick)

+/- is a noisy stat especially in small sample sizes and garbage time but yang's +/- has been improving. at the beginning of the year he was terrible on both ends and now he's exiting his stints with the blazers having at least treaded water. he was unplayable at the beginning of the season.

 

[Jelloman]

The team has been playing at a much slower tempo than the beginning of the season when we had more healthy bodies. Yang still would be unplayable if we would have kept that tempo up. He is only playing "better" cause we slowed the game down as a team.

He also need to have a huge improvement in mobility this off season if he wants to sniff the court next season.

 

[kjironman1]

(caveat: not a yang person and was against the pick)

+/- is a noisy stat especially in small sample sizes and garbage time but yang's +/- has been improving. at the beginning of the year he was terrible on both ends and now he's exiting his stints with the blazers having at least treaded water. he was unplayable at the beginning of the season.

Yep he needs to play. I assume they are working with him. I still cringe any time he puts the ball on the floor. He gets picked immediately. If he catches and then shoots or passes he seems playable but his mobility is non existent. Defensively he’s still just big. If he moves to guard he fouls.
This kid is still 3 years away IMO.

 

[Samuel]

Yep he needs to play. I assume they are working with him. I still cringe any time he puts the ball on the floor. He gets picked immediately. If he catches and then shoots or passes he seems playable but his mobility is non existent. Defensively he’s still just big. If he moves to guard he fouls.
This kid is still 3 years away IMO.

I'm not sure he'll ever get there honestly, but I will disagree with you a bit on how he's used. I think he 'should' be putting the ball on the floor, that's what he's good at; he's a playmaker. our offense is structured around Clingan and right now the team is using him as a Clingan proxy on offense.

Similar to Scoot year 1, I think the team is trying to get him to simplify his game to the point where he's not the bloody vulnerable weak spot in the lineup that other teams attack repeatedly while he's in. They've recently gotten to the point where he can play 10m and not destroy the team. Now it's about adding in a a sprinkle of that playmaking without him being a turnover magnet, while keeping him out of foul trouble, and going from there.

 

[kjironman1]

I'm not sure he'll ever get there honestly, but I will disagree with you a bit on how he's used. I think he 'should' be putting the ball on the floor, that's what he's good at; he's a playmaker. our offense is structured around Clingan and right now the team is using him as a Clingan proxy on offense.

Similar to Scoot year 1, I think the team is trying to get him to simplify his game to the point where he's not the bloody vulnerable weak spot in the lineup that other teams attack repeatedly while he's in. They've recently gotten to the point where he can play 10m and not destroy the team. Now it's about adding in a a sprinkle of that playmaking without him being a turnover magnet, while keeping him out of foul trouble, and going from there.

Well from what I've seen every time he tries to dribble he gets picked clean. Guess he needs to work on that.