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...unfreaking believable...Cashman gets another 3 year contract but Long and Kelleher take the blame. Do the Steins actually believe they were the problem?...do they really think this is going to solve anything?

...sacrificial lambs.
 
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and the 1 in charge is safe, shake head, if the real BOSS were still here none of the usual suspects would b back NONE
 
Long had to go, 1b coach...whatever. As for the 3 yr deal to Cash....its not guaranteed, you can fire someone under contract...sheesh.
 
...why did Long have to go?...and yes, Cash's contract is not guaranteed, no one's is. But that's not the point.

...plain and simple, the Yanx's poor showing the last 2 years is more of a reflection of Cashman's shortcomings than it is of Long's and Kelleher's, no?
 
i don't get it! u guys are educated fans, cash is TOLD who to go after, he entertains the potential players with the best the org has to offer, thats where it ends for cash, anything after that lies soley on the skipper, how can you possibly see it any other way? after all, what the heck does girardi get 5 mill a year for? PLEASE help me out here, throw me a bone people, i ask for sharks with lazer beams on its head, you give me mutated cod fish with sparklers
 
Yep, All problems solved now. The hitting coach who has nobody that can hit and the first base coach who has nothing to do since no one gets on base. And we sign trash man for another 3 years?? Way to go Hal. You are now a bigger Jackass than I thought before. Please sell the team and use all the money u did nothing to earn on an island somewhere.
 
I don't see anything wrong with dumping Long.
Surprised it took this long.

His act was getting a little tired, hanging over the railing shooting the breeze and chuckling all the way to the bank as "his" hitters stunk up the place.

Time for a different voice/approach ...that's how it goes...
...teams can't/don't fire the players.
Same old story for all pro teams...

I don't see the big deal over changing the "hitting coach" for a team which not only didn't improve offensively, but actually got worse.

Good luck and good riddance to Long!
 
Boy, its all Long's fault, Girardis too, NO, You couple of kids want to point fingers, then first take them out of your noses, and go fk Cash-hole....

I've heard to much- yeah its Long's fault alright cuz he didn't talk Joe into putting him in the lineup to hit for those anemic bats, yeah its all Long's fault my ass.

-The Kidz and Cash-Hole need to fkn gooooo......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Were not in High School no more.....welcome to the Big Leagues, now go buy a clue....yeah that's right the board game....Shit while your at it, go buy a Ouija board too....!
 
blgridesagain said:
I don't see anything wrong with dumping Long.
Surprised it took this long.

His act was getting a little tired, hanging over the railing shooting the breeze and chuckling all the way to the bank as "his" hitters stunk up the place.

Time for a different voice/approach ...that's how it goes...
...teams can't/don't fire the players.
Same old story for all pro teams...

I don't see the big deal over changing the "hitting coach" for a team which not only didn't improve offensively, but actually got worse.

Good luck and good riddance to Long!
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...name ONE hitting coach that turned a bad roster into a great hitting team.

...Which do you think was the more logical move, firing Long and Kelleher?...or giving Cashman another 3 years?...Long and Kelleher were made to be scapegoats, period.
 
Kelleher I just don't get. Long doesn't really surprise me that much, but the real guy that should have been given his walking papers is Cashman. And to a lesser extent Girardi. Personally I just think Hal had to fire somebody.
 
...I'd love to hear Jeter's take on this...but then again, I doubt he'd comment on it.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...name ONE hitting coach that turned a bad roster into a great hitting team.

...Which do you think was the more logical move, firing Long and Kelleher?...or giving Cashman another 3 years?...Long and Kelleher were made to be scapegoats, period.
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The team's hitting was dreadful - Long was the hitting coach.
Either you don't employ a hitting coach because it doesn't make much of a difference,or if you do, he has to be held accountable. This team's "batting results" were BAD and their very poor hitting w/risp especially in the post season these past few years has been well documented.

Is he the same "hitting coach" who was unable to help TEX, McCann ..ect hit a routine ground ball in the vicinity of 3b/ss with some semblance of success against the shift? lol

They fire offensive and defensive coordinators in the NFL --- who the hell is Kevin Long to be some kind of sacred cow? I'm glad they fired his ass - but I have to admit...I don't see why they let Kelleher go.


Good riddance Long! Thank goodness. The stench was getting just a bit too strong.
 
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madonamia! a hitting coach has NOTHING to do with anything, all he is is a the team psychologist! TONY OLIVA, he was 1 of many hitting coaches i had, first off tryin to understand his accent alone was a challenge, heet da pelota, mirra el pelota. look at da pelicans..... he turned NO ONE into anything. he was there to keep himself around the game for the money.

do you realize how many pro athletes & amateurs have been exposed to these guys, and how many great hitters have there been?
 
Pastafazul said:
madonamia! a hitting coach has NOTHING to do with anything, all he is is a the team psychologist! TONY OLIVA, he was 1 of many hitting coaches i had, first off tryin to understand his accent alone was a challenge, heet da pelota, mirra el pelota. look at da pelicans..... he turned NO ONE into anything. he was there to keep himself around the game for the money.

do you realize how many pro athletes & amateurs have been exposed to these guys, and how many great hitters have there been?
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I hear ya...and that is also why I mentioned in my post (#11) that it was time for a different voice and approach and also- "His act was getting a little tired, hanging over the railing shooting the breeze and chuckling all the way to the bank"


Thanks for nothing pasta. I was waaayy ahead of you. Are you drunk? lol
 
Rick2583 said:
Kelleher I just don't get. Long doesn't really surprise me that much, but the real guy that should have been given his walking papers is Cashman. And to a lesser extent Girardi. Personally I just think Hal had to fire somebody.
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arggggggggggggggggg! girardi would b the the first 1 to tell u he is responsible for everything that goes on on the field, i think if he came to your home, sat down with some of you and told you this himself, out of his own mouth, you would argue with him!

but then again, just thinkin bout the how geerotti decided to lay into the guys with a game left in season, i mite hav to get back to the office and re think this 1 for ova awhile..... can i put u guys on hold?
 
blgridesagain said:
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The team's hitting was dreadful - Long was the hitting coach.
Either you don't employ a hitting coach because it doesn't make much of a difference,or if you do, he has to be held accountable. This team's "batting results" were BAD and their very poor hitting w/risp especially in the post season these past few years has been well documented.

Is he the same "hitting coach" who was unable to help TEX, McCann ..ect hit a routine ground ball in the vicinity of 3b/ss with some semblance of success against the shift? lol

They fire offensive and defensive coordinators in the NFL --- who the hell is Kevin Long to be some kind of sacred cow? I'm glad they fired his ass - but I have to admit...I don't see why they let Kelleher go.thr
Good riddance Long! Thank goodness. The stench was getting just a bit too strong.
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...the stench was from the players...ultimately it is up to them to take the advice of a coach or not.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...why did Long have to go?...and yes, Cash's contract is not guaranteed, no one's is. But that's not the point.

...plain and simple, the Yanx's poor showing the last 2 years is more of a reflection of Cashman's shortcomings than it is of Long's and Kelleher's, no?
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I know you read Cashman's comments...Long did everything he could, tried every trick, etc. Long was there for what, 7 years? He was hired to coach a much different offense, one we won't see for a while and the team needs to get a fresh perspective. GM and Mgr are the public faces of management, but a lot of things get delegated to subordinates. You have to change up staff from time to time to inject new perspective into the organization. The Steins are keeping their leadership in place which is a signal that there is a plan and they still factor into it. No foolish moves for big trades this off season further demonstrated that. Then looking at the players, I sure Long had long since given up the broken record mantra to Tex to pull the ball, etc. Coaches can get in a rut as do players.

Big Corps do reorgs all the time, every 3 to 7 years. Why? To shake things up, to break patterns and routines. No difference here. The fact the gm and mgr are still in place is only an indicator of where thing stand now. We don't know if the leashes have been shortened or lengthened. There could be conditions. And in fact the staff shake up may have been one of those conditions. We don't know what we don't know.

However I see the staff shake up as a positive. Sends a message that change is demanded. Now the players are going to have to reengage with someone new that will be delivering tough critiques....humility good for the soul.
 
totus44 said:
I know you read Cashman's comments...Long did everything he could, tried every trick, etc. Long was there for what, 7 years? He was hired to coach a much different offense, one we won't see for a while and the team needs to get a fresh perspective. GM and Mgr are the public faces of management, but a lot of things get delegated to subordinates. You have to change up staff from time to time to inject new perspective into the organization. The Steins are keeping their leadership in place which is a signal that there is a plan and they still factor into it. No foolish moves for big trades this off season further demonstrated that. Then looking at the players, I sure Long had long since given up the broken record mantra to Tex to pull the ball, etc. Coaches can get in a rut as do players.

Big Corps do reorgs all the time, every 3 to 7 years. Why? To shake things up, to break patterns and routines. No difference here. The fact the gm and mgr are still in place is only an indicator of where thing stand now. We don't know if the leashes have been shortened or lengthened. There could be conditions. And in fact the staff shake up may have been one of those conditions. We don't know what we don't know.

However I see the staff shake up as a positive. Sends a message that change is demanded. Now the players are going to have to reengage with someone new that will be delivering tough critiques....humility good for the soul.
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As I said some time back, the Yankees need a curse jar only instead of curses a thousand dollars goes into the jar every time you don't hit against the shift & get the FREE hit for the team. And when full the money is donated to charity.
 
When the rich boys have to take a stand, they will always fire
the front end(on field) guys......because they think that's who the public
is watching.....LMFAO. Hey Steinboys, we are always watching YOU.
YOU ARE THE OWNERS WHO DON'T HAVE A CLUE.

Scapegoats are commonplace in sports because these people
are on field lieutenants.....they will always be the first to go.

Cashman has been bringing in players well past their prime, or
players who do not know the fundamentals of baseball.....and
on and on. He gives the coaches a bunch of garbage and EXPECTS
them to make them what they never could be,,,,,,great ballplayers.

Hiring Cashman for 3 more AGONIZING years could spell
real trouble for this team. Will he continue to draft miserably
and not stock the farm teams with TALENT? It's how this team
goes about doing it shoddy business. Cashman is an enigma.
He deserves what he gave Long and Kelleher...the shaft!

A fresh perspective would have been firing Cashman first and
then whomever.

I JUST DO NOT LIKE THE WAY THIS ORGANIZATION OPERATES.
 
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long , what was his life time batting average? lol, what is every trick in the book? to sum it up. time for change! they should have cleaned house , but they can't cause the steinbros aint about baseball
 
Pastafazul said:
long , what was his life time batting average? lol, what is every trick in the book? to sum it up. time for change! they should have cleaned house , but they can't cause the steinbros aint about baseball
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I just don't get Kelleher though.
 
totus44 said:
I know you read Cashman's comments...Long did everything he could, tried every trick, etc. Long was there for what, 7 years? He was hired to coach a much different offense, one we won't see for a while and the team needs to get a fresh perspective. GM and Mgr are the public faces of management, but a lot of things get delegated to subordinates. You have to change up staff from time to time to inject new perspective into the organization. The Steins are keeping their leadership in place which is a signal that there is a plan and they still factor into it. No foolish moves for big trades this off season further demonstrated that. Then looking at the players, I sure Long had long since given up the broken record mantra to Tex to pull the ball, etc. Coaches can get in a rut as do players.
Big Corps do reorgs all the time, every 3 to 7 years. Why? To shake things up, to break patterns and routines. No difference here. The fact the gm and mgr are still in place is only an indicator of where thing stand now. We don't know if the leashes have been shortened or lengthened. There could be conditions. And in fact the staff shake up may have been one of those conditions. We don't know what we don't know.

However I see the staff shake up as a positive. Sends a message that change is demanded. Now the players are going to have to reengage with someone new that will be delivering tough critiques....humility good for the soul.
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Just want to say....good post!
 
who does it send a message too? the ego's these players have today cannot be penetrated, makin too much money! sports in US will fade.. fans are showin it already
 
totus44 said:
I know you read Cashman's comments...Long did everything he could, tried every trick, etc. Long was there for what, 7 years? He was hired to coach a much different offense, one we won't see for a while and the team needs to get a fresh perspective. GM and Mgr are the public faces of management, but a lot of things get delegated to subordinates. You have to change up staff from time to time to inject new perspective into the organization. The Steins are keeping their leadership in place which is a signal that there is a plan and they still factor into it. No foolish moves for big trades this off season further demonstrated that. Then looking at the players, I sure Long had long since given up the broken record mantra to Tex to pull the ball, etc. Coaches can get in a rut as do players.

Big Corps do reorgs all the time, every 3 to 7 years. Why? To shake things up, to break patterns and routines. No difference here. The fact the gm and mgr are still in place is only an indicator of where thing stand now. We don't know if the leashes have been shortened or lengthened. There could be conditions. And in fact the staff shake up may have been one of those conditions. We don't know what we don't know.

However I see the staff shake up as a positive. Sends a message that change is demanded. Now the players are going to have to reengage with someone new that will be delivering tough critiques....humility good for the soul.
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...so upper management firing lower management is the answer?...when upper management is clearly the problem?

..Long?..maybe...but Kelleher?...makes no sense.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...so upper management firing lower management is the answer?...when upper management is clearly the problem?

..Long?..maybe...but Kelleher?...makes no sense.
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Yeah Long didn't surprise me but I just don't get Kelleher. This whole thing is like 80% of students failing at a particular school & instead of firing the principal & the teachers they fire the janitor.
 
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