Yankees Fire Long...

[yankeesince59]

^^^ pretty much.

...who in their right mind truly believes that firing these 2 guys is a difference maker?...and I don't wanna hear the "it sends a message" BS, because it doesn't...I'd like someone to point to a tangible instance where this kind of move turned a woefully mismanaged franchise around.


...I'll wait.

 

[Hammerojustice]

Yeah Long didn't surprise me but I just don't get Kelleher. This whole thing is like 80% of students failing at a particular school & instead of firing the principal & the teachers they fire the janitor.

Unless there was a clubhouse issue he caused, I've got nothing...

 

[yankeesince59]

...like I said earlier, I really wish Jeter would chime in.

 

[blgridesagain]

...like I said earlier, I really wish Jeter would chime in.

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I think, Jeter liked Long.
Maybe it's no coincidence Long was let go after Jeter retired.

 

[totus44]

...so upper management firing lower management is the answer?...when upper management is clearly the problem?

..Long?..maybe...but Kelleher?...makes no sense.

UM canning LM is the typical tool when dealing with a union labor force. You don't expect UM to can themselves do you?
As for clearly identifying who is responsible, that buck stops with ownership anyway and they are going to punish themselves either.
Baseball is a business, you can't just look at it as a game.

 

[totus44]

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I think, Jeter liked Long.
Maybe it's no coincidence Long was let go after Jeter retired.

Good point!

 

[yankeesince59]

...Jeter cared for Kelleher much more than Long...Jeter and Long were not exactly joined at the hip...the last time a hitting coach helped Jeter, it was Larry Denbo.

 

[yankeesince59]

UM canning LM is the typical tool when dealing with a union labor force. You don't expect UM to can themselves do you?
As for clearly identifying who is responsible, that buck stops with ownership anyway and they are going to punish themselves either.
Baseball is a business, you can't just look at it as a game.

...not sure what the union has to do with it...and yes, I expect The Steins who are at the top of the heap of management to recognize who is more culpable between the GM and 2 freaking insignificant coaches.

...and I am looking at it as a business, but again, neither Long nor Kelleher were the problem. Do you think the future looks any brighter for this team just because Long and Kelleher were given the axe?


...I'll ask again, I'd like for an example of this move actually turning a team around.

 

[totus44]

...not sure what the union has to do with it...and yes, I expect The Steins who are at the top of the heap of management to recognize who is more culpable between the GM and 2 freaking insignificant coaches.

...and I am looking at it as a business, but again, neither Long nor Kelleher were the problem. Do you think the future looks any brighter for this team just because Long and Kelleher were given the axe?


...I'll ask again, I'd like for an example of this move actually turning a team around.

The evidence you seek with be in 2015. Now to turn this back at you, show me Long wasn't the problem. I don't see a lot of folks crying about his departure.

 

[blgridesagain]

Here's the latest I've heard re: Long



It’s tough because I know Kevin’s good at what he does,” Cashman said. “But I’m looking for a different voice maybe with a different message and approach to some degree.”

“We were able to fix a number of issues, but the one issue we couldn’t fix was the offense,” Cashman said. “We struggled from start to finish with trying to produce consistent runs.”

One of the challenges for the new hitting coach will be to help players such as McCann and Teixeira hit against the infield shifts opponents routinely employ against them.

“I’m confident that Kevin has had those dialogues with the players involved,” Cashman said. “I look forward to hiring the right person that will be in the position to communicate the advantages of going against the shift, whether it’s with bunts or going the other way in the right circumstance.

“We’re going to need a guy that is going to use every tool in the toolbox to maximize somebody’s offensive output. Clearly, working against the shift and adjusting to the shift is something that today’s player — even if they’ve played for a while — has to be open-minded to.”

Cashman made a point to say the infield’s early season defensive problems were not on Kelleher, who had also served as infield coach for the past six seasons.

It seems Kelleher’s dismissal had little to do with his job performance, but was done instead to open a spot for at least one new coach. “As you change the dynamic of the staff, it has to come at the expense of some personnel,” Cashman said. “In this case, it’s Mick.”

 

[Rick2583]

Here's the latest I've heard re: Long



It’s tough because I know Kevin’s good at what he does,” Cashman said. “But I’m looking for a different voice maybe with a different message and approach to some degree.”

“We were able to fix a number of issues, but the one issue we couldn’t fix was the offense,” Cashman said. “We struggled from start to finish with trying to produce consistent runs.”

One of the challenges for the new hitting coach will be to help players such as McCann and Teixeira hit against the infield shifts opponents routinely employ against them.

“I’m confident that Kevin has had those dialogues with the players involved,” Cashman said. “I look forward to hiring the right person that will be in the position to communicate the advantages of going against the shift, whether it’s with bunts or going the other way in the right circumstance.

“We’re going to need a guy that is going to use every tool in the toolbox to maximize somebody’s offensive output. Clearly, working against the shift and adjusting to the shift is something that today’s player — even if they’ve played for a while — has to be open-minded to.”

Cashman made a point to say the infield’s early season defensive problems were not on Kelleher, who had also served as infield coach for the past six seasons.

It seems Kelleher’s dismissal had little to do with his job performance, but was done instead to open a spot for at least one new coach. “As you change the dynamic of the staff, it has to come at the expense of some personnel,” Cashman said. “In this case, it’s Mick.”

Gregory Hines never tap danced that good. I mean seriously. And what the hell did his closing comments regarding Kelleher even mean?

 

[totus44]

Here's the latest I've heard re: Long



It’s tough because I know Kevin’s good at what he does,” Cashman said. “But I’m looking for a different voice maybe with a different message and approach to some degree.”

“We were able to fix a number of issues, but the one issue we couldn’t fix was the offense,” Cashman said. “We struggled from start to finish with trying to produce consistent runs.”

One of the challenges for the new hitting coach will be to help players such as McCann and Teixeira hit against the infield shifts opponents routinely employ against them.

“I’m confident that Kevin has had those dialogues with the players involved,” Cashman said. “I look forward to hiring the right person that will be in the position to communicate the advantages of going against the shift, whether it’s with bunts or going the other way in the right circumstance.

“We’re going to need a guy that is going to use every tool in the toolbox to maximize somebody’s offensive output. Clearly, working against the shift and adjusting to the shift is something that today’s player — even if they’ve played for a while — has to be open-minded to.”

Cashman made a point to say the infield’s early season defensive problems were not on Kelleher, who had also served as infield coach for the past six seasons.

It seems Kelleher’s dismissal had little to do with his job performance, but was done instead to open a spot for at least one new coach. “As you change the dynamic of the staff, it has to come at the expense of some personnel,” Cashman said. “In this case, it’s Mick.”

Business is about continuous improvement, small changes to personnel tweaks to big reorgs. Yankee front office doesn't have to make changes specifically to achieve results on the field, but rather just alter the dynamics of the staff to alter trajectories. It will either work or it won't. But standing pat is the only sure guarantee that things wouldn't improve. Cashman is doing the right thing.

 

[blgridesagain]

Gregory Hines never tap danced that good. I mean seriously. And what the hell did his closing comments regarding Kelleher even mean?

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Tap danced?

Love him or hate him - I thought Cashman was pretty much up front and spoke in plain old english regarding the Kelleher issue:

Cashman made a point to say the infield’s early season defensive problems were not on Kelleher, who had also served as infield coach for the past six seasons.

It seems Kelleher’s dismissal had little to do with his job performance, but was done instead to open a spot for at least one new coach. “As you change the dynamic of the staff, it has to come at the expense of some personnel,” Cashman said. “In this case, it’s Mick.”


Now can we stop acting like a bunch of whiny little girls?
Kellerher was a numbers casualty and wasn't retained- period !

If you're worried whether or not THIS is going to be a difference maker....
4 words come to mind---> L M A O

 

[totus44]

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Tap dance?

Love him or hate him - I thought Cashman was pretty much up front and spoke in plain old english regarding the Kelleher issue.

Apparently the concept of 'at will' employment is foreign to Rick.

 

[blgridesagain]

Yanks let go of their batting and infield coach - okay...so, what do we have now?

They seem to HAVE INDEED made it clear that they WERE NO LONGER satisfied with some of the hands on "coaching" and ARE sending a message.....and since when did shaking things up and tweaking the team//MGR/ coaching become a bad thing after a disappointing season?

Next stop ---> MGR?


Oh, I forgot...the consensus is Girardi HAS ALREADY done a good job "WITH WHAT HE HAD TO WORK WITH".


hm lol

 

[Rick2583]

Apparently the concept of 'at will' employment is foreign to Rick.

Yeah I'm sure that's it.

 

[yankeesince59]

The evidence you seek with be in 2015. Now to turn this back at you, show me Long wasn't the problem. I don't see a lot of folks crying about his departure.

...the evidence I seek will be in 2015?...are you serious? The evidence is in something that has yet to happen?...what kind of logic is that?


...and no, no one is crying about his departure...how about Kelleher?...is his firing not questionable?...of course it is. And if it is, by extension, so is the firing of Long.

...it's an example of making scapegoats, plain and simple. I've asked 2-3 times but I've yet to receive a legit answer; ..."I'd like for an example of this move actually turning a team around."...???

 

[Pastafazul]

you are giving way too much credit to upper mgmt, yes, this is a business, but they ain't no einsteins makin the decisions

 

[blgridesagain]

...the evidence I seek will be in 2015?...are you serious? The evidence is in something that has yet to happen?...what kind of logic is that?


...and no, no one is crying about his departure...how about Kelleher?...is his firing not questionable?...of course it is. And if it is, by extension, so is the firing of Long.

...it's an example of making scapegoats, plain and simple. I've asked 2-3 times but I've yet to receive a legit answer; ..."I'd like for an example of this move actually turning a team around."...???

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Why don't you cut out the crap? The Yanks are entitled to dump a coach or two...or a manager if they believe it can bring a better climate/change/atmosphere/fresh approach/new voice <--- use whatever word you want to...
It's no big thing....kinda refreshing to tell you the truth..
Kevin Long gets dumped after a nice long comfortable run until he had to work with a lineup the past couple of years that wasn't quite as dynamic as those in the past and the production went into the toilet.
End of story !

 

[yankeesince59]

Why don't you cut out the crap?

...{Long} had to work with a lineup the past couple of years that wasn't quite as dynamic as those in the past...


...It's no big thing.

...lol...thank you for once again proving my point. "Not quite as dynamic...as those in the past" ?...gee, ya think?...they were nowhere near close to being like line ups in the past. And who provides the roster?...Cashman.

...and yes, "It's no big thing"...and that's the point, because it's not nearly enough. How is firing Long and Kelleher while giving Cashman not only a free pass, but a new contract as well, going to make this team's future any brighter?

 

[Rick2583]

...lol...thank you for once again proving my point. "Not quite as dynamic...as those in the past" ?...gee, ya think?...they were nowhere near close to being like line ups in the past. And who provides the roster?...Cashman.

...and yes, "It's no big thing"...and that's the point, because it's not nearly enough. How is firing Long and Kelleher while giving Cashman not only a free pass, but a new contract as well, going to make this team's future any brighter?

Its not.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Business is about continuous improvement, small changes to personnel tweaks to big reorgs. Yankee front office doesn't have to make changes specifically to achieve results on the field, but rather just alter the dynamics of the staff to alter trajectories. It will either work or it won't. But standing pat is the only sure guarantee that things wouldn't improve. Cashman is doing the right thing.

Indeed, Business should always equate to Continuous Improvements. Yet I still don't see how Long or Kelleher's firing equates to anything less than the Kidz don't know that shit flows downhill from the top of the Ladder. To blame those at the bottom, is as dubious for not placing blame at the top......ie, I see no difference here than the Matt Millen Fiasco in Detroit; with the Lions. Millen never accepted blame, when he had some of the finest head coaches.

But yes, Paradigm Shifts, Continuous Process Improvements, Systemic Improvements, Root Cause Analysis with Corrective Actions. Yet I still don't see how firing these 2 will help the Team in the Future. Long could not place himself in the lineup, no more than Donnie BB in Chavez Ravine. Coaches, can't do anymore for a batter than the batter want's to accept and correct. Was Long to blame for Jeter's lowest batting average year? Hell No....

 

[blgridesagain]

Indeed, Business should always equate to Continuous Improvements. Yet I still don't see how Long or Kelleher's firing equates to anything less than the Kidz don't know that shit flows downhill from the top of the Ladder. To blame those at the bottom, is as dubious for not placing blame at the top......ie, I see no difference here than the Matt Millen Fiasco in Detroit; with the Lions. Millen never accepted blame, when he had some of the finest head coaches.

But yes, Paradigm Shifts, Continuous Process Improvements, Systemic Improvements, Root Cause Analysis with Corrective Actions. Yet I still don't see how firing these 2 will help the Team in the Future. Long could not place himself in the lineup, no more than Donnie BB in Chavez Ravine. Coaches, can't do anymore for a batter than the batter want's to accept and correct. Was Long to blame for Jeter's lowest batting average year? Hell No....

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So.....uh....the Steinboys should give lifetime contracts to their coaches and manager, then fire Cashman and then fire themselves. Yep, I can see the logic.

 

[yankeesince59]

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So.....uh....the Steinboys should give lifetime contracts to their coaches and manager, then fire Cashman and then fire themselves. Yep, I can see the logic.

...who the hell said anything like that?

 

[Rick2583]

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So.....uh....the Steinboys should give lifetime contracts to their coaches and manager, then fire Cashman and then fire themselves. Yep, I can see the logic.

Let me guess, you'll be going into work tomorrow with a hangover.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

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So.....uh....the Steinboys should give lifetime contracts to their coaches and manager, then fire Cashman and then fire themselves. Yep, I can see the logic.

Geezus, it seems like all kidz in your Generation***
blatantly CAN'T SEE SHIT, RIGHT UNDER YOUR ARROGANT NOSES.....!!!

You blatantly continue to prove my points....! And your to ignorant to see as much....!

Shit does flow downhill, and obviously your engulfed in it....Is the shit pile making you utterly a blind fool?

You read into a thread what you want to, but don't see the truth of the matter....

I'm not surprised at all, with your pompous peacock attitude....

*** Generation S: approximately 70% of those <33 years, are Gen. S-SLACKERS, argue with matters you have no clue about. Slackers always looking for a handout, for others to do their work for them. Lazy punks, blind too....
Put your hands back in your pockets, no one here is going to enlighten your ignorance on most matters.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

...lol...thank you for once again proving my point. "Not quite as dynamic...as those in the past" ?...gee, ya think?...they were nowhere near close to being like line ups in the past. And who provides the roster?...Cashman.

...and yes, "It's no big thing"...and that's the point, because it's not nearly enough. How is firing Long and Kelleher while giving Cashman not only a free pass, but a new contract as well, going to make this team's future any brighter?

You know 59, brides is incapable of providing a real & honest answer. He continuously reveals, ignorance, in this post and all others. Proving out your points over and over; like a flipping mynah bird singing the same ol' song endlessly. While attempting to shit on all others......who call his bluff.

A Pompous ignorant Peacock, who puffs up his feathers, rather than answer any Q's....

I guess one could say in this case, Ignorance is Not Bliss....!

 

[blgridesagain]

Geezus, it seems like all kidz in your Generation***
blatantly CAN'T SEE SHIT, RIGHT UNDER YOUR ARROGANT NOSES.....!!!

You blatantly continue to prove my points....! And your to ignorant to see as much....!

Shit does flow downhill, and obviously your engulfed in it....Is the shit pile making you utterly a blind fool?

You read into a thread what you want to, but don't see the truth of the matter....

I'm not surprised at all, with your pompous peacock attitude....

*** Generation S: approximately 70% of those <33 years, are Gen. S-SLACKERS, argue with matters you have no clue about. Slackers always looking for a handout, for others to do their work for them. Lazy punks, blind too....
Put your hands back in your pockets, no one here is going to enlighten your ignorance on most matters.

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um..seriously, so...uh....does this really mean team ownership/management, should give lifetime contracts to coaches and managers and then fire themselves?

 

[Mattingly23NY]

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um..seriously, so...uh....does this really mean team ownership/management, should give lifetime contracts to coaches and managers and then fire themselves?

I've met more than my share of ignorant people......but you punk, take the cake and choke on it......

Every time you post, its the same old shit over and over, PROVING OUR POINT-ie, Pointing directly to the fact, if one shined a light in your ear, said light comes out the other....in elementary words: you can't comprehend with your narrow mind. The lights on, but nobody is home......Prove me wrong, I dare ya', but your incapable. Climb back in the crib you crawled out of.....

 

[Mattingly23NY]

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um..seriously, so...uh....does this really mean team ownership/management, should give lifetime contracts to coaches and managers and then fire themselves?

Your continued ignorance amazes me......no, wait a minute, I don't expect any logical/rationale out of children like yourself...! Want your pacifier back?