yankees in injury trouble

[Nebkreb]

Project lineup for seasonamon CFJeter SSSheffield RFARod 3BGiambi 1BMatsui LFPosada CCano 2BB. Williams DHlineup at end of Mondays gameDamon CFJeter SSPhillips 1BARod 3BCano 2BPosada CB Williams DHCrosby LFCabrera RFGiambi - as of now, unidentified injuryMatsui - broken wrist, possibly out for seasonSheffield - Injured, out for a couple weeksif those injuries hold up, then our set lineup in my opinion isDamonJeterCanoArodPosadaBernie WilliamsCrosbyPhillipsCabrerauh oh...

 

[AdropOFvenom]

The Yankees SHOULD move Jeter down to the 3 hole, maybe put Cano in the 2 instead. Damon - Cano - Jeter - A-Rod - Posada - ect. But regardless the Yankees are in trouble. Their starting pitching has been mediocre at best and without the lineup to make up for it they could fall a bit behind.

 

[DevinHester23]

There's no crying in baseball. The Yuckies have a $200M machine gun.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nebkreb @ May 15 2006, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Project lineup for seasonamon CFJeter SSSheffield RFARod 3BGiambi 1BMatsui LFPosada CCano 2BB. Williams DHlineup at end of Mondays gameDamon CFJeter SSPhillips 1BARod 3BCano 2BPosada CB Williams DHCrosby LFCabrera RFGiambi - as of now, unidentified injuryMatsui - broken wrist, possibly out for seasonSheffield - Injured, out for a couple weeksif those injuries hold up, then our set lineup in my opinion isDamonJeterCanoArodPosadaBernie WilliamsCrosbyPhillipsCabrerauh oh...</div>Oh no, we'll have gone from the best lineup in baseball to the 3rd or 4th best lineup in baseball.lol, I'll not be worried unless we lose A-Rod, Jeter, or Posada.

 

[Nebkreb]

i would rather lose Arod than Matsui or Sheffield, since ARod is the opposite of clutch, and besides jeter, mats and Sheff are the two most clutch playersand Jeter cant bat any lower than 2nd. he isnt a power guy and power is what you need at 3 and 4 and 5...i think Damon/Jeter/Arod/Posada/Cano is a possibility if Giambi isnt back

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nebkreb @ May 16 2006, 02:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i would rather lose Arod than Matsui or Sheffield, since ARod is the opposite of clutch, and besides jeter, mats and Sheff are the two most clutch playersand Jeter cant bat any lower than 2nd. he isnt a power guy and power is what you need at 3 and 4 and 5...i think Damon/Jeter/Arod/Posada/Cano is a possibility if Giambi isnt back</div>Dude, A-Rod has had like 5 game winning hits in the past 2-3 weeks.

 

[Nebkreb]

really? gamewinning? doesnt seem like itPosada = clutch (2 run homerun to win very exciting game tonight)

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nebkreb @ May 16 2006, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>really? gamewinning? doesnt seem like itPosada = clutch (2 run homerun to win very exciting game tonight)</div>Remember that game-winning doesn't always mean 9th inning.Prior to this win, the past 3 wins were off of A-Rod's bat.

 

[DevinHester23]

They fucking have a 200M payroll. Go out and get someone, with all that money. Or maybe the Boss shouldn't have depleted the farm

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrianUrlacher54 @ May 16 2006, 08:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>They fucking have a 200M payroll. Go out and get someone, with all that money. Or maybe the Boss shouldn't have depleted the farm</div>lol @ "depleated the farm"In case you didn't notice, our bats still swing hard without a couple stars. If you take bats as good as Matsui and Sheff off of any other team that has bats that good, they are crippled.Wang, Melky, Cano, Phillips... yeah, depleated the farm all right.

 

[bobferg]

DLee injury owns all.

 

[DevinHester23]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bobferg @ May 17 2006, 04:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>DLee injury owns all.</div>Yeah. And compounding the fact is the Cubs have a moron in charge. Dusty has a huge man-crush on Niefi Perez, and thinks that walks clog the bases

 

[AdropOFvenom]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nebkreb @ May 16 2006, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i would rather lose Arod than Matsui or Sheffield, since ARod is the opposite of clutch, and besides jeter, mats and Sheff are the two most clutch playersand Jeter cant bat any lower than 2nd. he isnt a power guy and power is what you need at 3 and 4 and 5...i think Damon/Jeter/Arod/Posada/Cano is a possibility if Giambi isnt back</div>You dont need a ton of power at the 3 spot. Now obviously your not going to put Rey Ordonez there but you can use a tablesetter for the #4 and #5 hitters there. Like Id hate to use the Mets as an example here, but we have Carlos Beltran in the 3 hole, he definately isnt a power hitter, but because his on base percentage is around 400 it allows Carlos Delgado and David Wright to do their jobs. (Although Beltran does have a good amount of pop in his bat as of lately.I guarantee you if the Yankees were using Damon, Cano, Jeter 1-2-3, the amount of RBI's A-Rod and Posada had would go significantly up.

 

[Nebkreb]

bottomline - jeters whole career, he has hit about .300 leading off, .320 in #2 spot, then about .260 anywhere else...i would think Joe Torre knows alittle more qabout jeter tahn u or I....and the person who felt the incessant need to bring up payroll - ONCE AGAINthe royals owner isnt POOR....its a SELFINFLICTED CAP. He has just as much money. yankees are playing by the rules, if anyone isnt, its the cheap owners who upset the balance of power by inflicting caps on them selves that are miserably low. yankees = help baseball become a more profitable, exciting and quality professional.owners who limit thier own team cuz they are greedy = hurt baseball, by angering fans and hurting competitive balance

 

[AdropOFvenom]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nebkreb @ May 17 2006, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>bottomline - jeters whole career, he has hit about .300 leading off, .320 in #2 spot, then about .260 anywhere else...i would think Joe Torre knows alittle more qabout jeter tahn u or I....and the person who felt the incessant need to bring up payroll - ONCE AGAINthe royals owner isnt POOR....its a SELFINFLICTED CAP. He has just as much money. yankees are playing by the rules, if anyone isnt, its the cheap owners who upset the balance of power by inflicting caps on them selves that are miserably low. yankees = help baseball become a more profitable, exciting and quality professional.owners who limit thier own team cuz they are greedy = hurt baseball, by angering fans and hurting competitive balance</div>Your also neglecting to realize that any other owner in baseball could not possibly afford to spend 192 million on their payroll, except for maybe the Mets. In order to spend 192 million in payroll, you have to be able to get 192 million back in revanue for spending all of that money. It's a simple law of buisness.A team like Kansas City is in a small market with a smaller fanbase (Compared to that of the New York teams). They dont have the same kind of TV revanues that the Yankees and the Mets get from having their own TV Channels, they dont have ten million of fans buying merchandise and tickets to the game like the New York teams do. They dont sellout a high percentage of their games like the New York teams do. There is no way that a team in a market like Kansas City would get that kind of money in return for their expenses to allow them to spend 100 plus million in payroll.If they tried to spend the same kind of money that the Yankees do they would be losing about 100 million from their pocket per season.

 

[ST34LTH]

A-Rod, or E-Rod as I call him(errors), hasn't been clutch since the Yankees got him. He gets all of his stats late in the game when they are waay down, or waay up, and with no one on base. He can't do crap when it means something. Also, Sheff is not clutch, playoffs last 2 years anyone? Same with Matsui...Jeter is pretty much the only clutch one in the group.About Jeter batting 3rd. I agree, I think if they put him there, he can hit a good 25-30 HR's, I just don't think he tried to seeing how he is a No.2 hitter.

 

[Nebkreb]

OMGpeople talk about the royals owner like they are on welfare. If they PUT MORE money in to the franchise, THEN they will get more money out of it. You think they arent going to get sellouts/TVpackages etc if they make smart moves and GASP! try to win! what a novel concept...

 

[AdropOFvenom]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nebkreb @ May 17 2006, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>OMGpeople talk about the royals owner like they are on welfare. If they PUT MORE money in to the franchise, THEN they will get more money out of it. You think they arent going to get sellouts/TVpackages etc if they make smart moves and GASP! try to win! what a novel concept...</div>The Marlins won a world series in 2003.They were still 13th in the National League in attendance.

The fans dont always go out and spend their money to support the team. Regardless of record. That is what life is like with teams in a small market. When the fans dont put the money back into the team, they cannot possibly go out there and pay 192 million on their payroll like the Yankees are.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ May 17 2006, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nebkreb @ May 17 2006, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>bottomline - jeters whole career, he has hit about .300 leading off, .320 in #2 spot, then about .260 anywhere else...i would think Joe Torre knows alittle more qabout jeter tahn u or I....and the person who felt the incessant need to bring up payroll - ONCE AGAINthe royals owner isnt POOR....its a SELFINFLICTED CAP. He has just as much money. yankees are playing by the rules, if anyone isnt, its the cheap owners who upset the balance of power by inflicting caps on them selves that are miserably low. yankees = help baseball become a more profitable, exciting and quality professional.owners who limit thier own team cuz they are greedy = hurt baseball, by angering fans and hurting competitive balance</div>Your also neglecting to realize that any other owner in baseball could not possibly afford to spend 192 million on their payroll, except for maybe the Mets. In order to spend 192 million in payroll, you have to be able to get 192 million back in revanue for spending all of that money. It's a simple law of buisness.</div>The Yankees don't make that money back, they lose money.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ST34LTH @ May 17 2006, 02:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A-Rod, or E-Rod as I call him(errors), hasn't been clutch since the Yankees got him. He gets all of his stats late in the game when they are waay down, or waay up, and with no one on base. He can't do crap when it means something. Also, Sheff is not clutch, playoffs last 2 years anyone? Same with Matsui...Jeter is pretty much the only clutch one in the group.About Jeter batting 3rd. I agree, I think if they put him there, he can hit a good 25-30 HR's, I just don't think he tried to seeing how he is a No.2 hitter.</div>Yeah, those three game winning hits in three straight wins were really anti-clutch.He was top 10 in the league last year in game winning RBI's I'm pretty sure. He's just not the playoff wonder Jeter is, but he wins a lot of games in the regular season.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ May 17 2006, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nebkreb @ May 17 2006, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>OMGpeople talk about the royals owner like they are on welfare. If they PUT MORE money in to the franchise, THEN they will get more money out of it. You think they arent going to get sellouts/TVpackages etc if they make smart moves and GASP! try to win! what a novel concept...</div>The Marlins won a world series in 2003.They were still 13th in the National League in attendance.

The fans dont always go out and spend their money to support the team. Regardless of record. That is what life is like with teams in a small market. When the fans dont put the money back into the team, they cannot possibly go out there and pay 192 million on their payroll like the Yankees are.</div>No, but they could have a 100 million dollar payroll and still turn a profit, just not the huge rip they are getting every year.It's a fact that the teams that are the most profitable are the ones that put the least money into their teams.It's also a fact that the Yankees have been in the red for the past few years.

 

[AdropOFvenom]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ May 17 2006, 07:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ May 17 2006, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nebkreb @ May 17 2006, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>bottomline - jeters whole career, he has hit about .300 leading off, .320 in #2 spot, then about .260 anywhere else...i would think Joe Torre knows alittle more qabout jeter tahn u or I....and the person who felt the incessant need to bring up payroll - ONCE AGAINthe royals owner isnt POOR....its a SELFINFLICTED CAP. He has just as much money. yankees are playing by the rules, if anyone isnt, its the cheap owners who upset the balance of power by inflicting caps on them selves that are miserably low. yankees = help baseball become a more profitable, exciting and quality professional.owners who limit thier own team cuz they are greedy = hurt baseball, by angering fans and hurting competitive balance</div>Your also neglecting to realize that any other owner in baseball could not possibly afford to spend 192 million on their payroll, except for maybe the Mets. In order to spend 192 million in payroll, you have to be able to get 192 million back in revanue for spending all of that money. It's a simple law of buisness.</div>The Yankees don't make that money back, they lose money.</div>Which would explain why the Yankees payroll dropped last off-season, right? It's a buisness and the Yankees werent getting enough revanue in return to feed thier spending ways, so they had to drop their payroll some to make sure they dont lose that money again this year. It's the same thing the small market teams do, except on a smaller scale. When a small market team spends to put a competitive team on the field and they still rank 15th in the National league in attendance (The 2005 Florida Marlins), they didnt have the money to keep up their spending ways so they had to slash payroll. Now granted, they slashed their payroll more then anybody would have ever expected, but thats their right under the current rules.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ May 17 2006, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Which would explain why the Yankees payroll dropped last off-season, right? It's a buisness and the Yankees werent getting enough revanue in return to feed thier spending ways, so they had to drop their payroll some to make sure they dont lose that money again this year. It's the same thing the small market teams do, except on a smaller scale. When a small market team spends to put a competitive team on the field and they still rank 15th in the National league in attendance (The 2005 Florida Marlins), they didnt have the money to keep up their spending ways so they had to slash payroll. Now granted, they slashed their payroll more then anybody would have ever expected, but thats their right under the current rules.</div>Except because of rev share and luxery tax teams pull in around 60 mil base, not including ticket sales, merchandise, etc. So spending 15 mil on a payroll is inexcusable.

 

[DevinHester23]

When the Marlins won the World Series in 1997, the owner still lost $$30M that season.