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That AJ Burnett guy looks good.....
 
A trade could happen, they have to be in that mind at this point, but doubt they can find a decent arm, and it's hard to stay positive with both CC and Kuroda looking cooked, and Pineda going down, who is going to come in and overcome that? only so much one starter can do.
 
Rick2583 said:
I don't think he was so much booed for leaving as it was HOW he left, claiming that 7 years & $175M was an insult.
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...but that's not how Sherman painted it...and I'm still wrestling with the rationale that the Yanx somehow "disrespected" Cano.
 
Many Yankee Fans respected Cano, not our problem that he saw himself as disrespected. Not managements problem either, they mad him a pretty fair offer. One thing that is not mentioned is the fact that Cano may would have been heir apparent to being the man and I don't think he could handle that. I won't say he "sold out" he turned down a fair offer for better money but not necessarily a better situation.
 
...evidently a plaque in Monument Park and almost certain enshrinement into Cooperstown were not enough to sway him.

...now he's playing in "Siberia" where I don't expect his numbers to be anywhere near the same.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...evidently a plaque in Monument Park and almost certain enshrinement into Cooperstown were not enough to sway him.

...now he's playing in "Siberia" where I don't expect his numbers to be anywhere near the same.
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There was also the possibility that he would have been the next Yankee captain.
 
It was always about the money. To me, Cano was not a leader; he preferred
to be a follower; the attitude was ' just let me play baseball and I'm happy'.
It was his choice to leave. No one disrespected him....if the amount of money
offered him by Yankees was "disrespectful", that falls on his priorities and no
one else. He lost his chance to part of Yankee folklore; it was not important
to him. Have a good life. Adios.

BTW....I learned a whole lot about Cano when he showed an unusual
intensity playing for his country, Domenican Republic and his usual
casualness when playing for the Yankees. As a Yankee he always
had a lackadaisical persona; seldom showed any intensity.....I knew
then that he had another level to him which never came through
as a Yankee player. It was more important to play for his country
than to play for the Yankees. That's my take.
 
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cagedlion said:
It was always about the money. To me, Cano was not a leader; he preferred
to be a follower; the attitude was ' just let me play baseball and I'm happy'.
It was his choice to leave. No one disrespected him....if the amount of money
offered him by Yankees was "disrespectful", that falls on his priorities and no
one else. He lost his chance to part of Yankee folklore; it was not important
to him. Have a good life. Adios.
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The thing that's such bullshit is that technically the Yankees offered him more..................

Yankees 7 years @ $175M = 25M per

Mariners 10 years @ $240M = 24M per
 
cagedlion said:
....I learned a whole lot about Cano when he showed an unusual
intensity playing for his country, Domenican Republic and his usual
casualness when playing for the Yankees. As a Yankee he always
had a lackadaisical persona; seldom showed any intensity.....I knew
then that he had another level to him which never came through
as a Yankee player. It was more important to play for his country
than to play for the Yankees. That's my take.
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...never really thought about it that way.

...but I have to agree that he seemed to have a different approach when playing in the WBC.
 
WBC how many games....
Major League Season...162 games plus post season

this guy gets hammered about has lack of intensity or hustle...in his last seasons as a yankee he missed 14 games....
there is a lot of pride among the latino community to play for their country.
you see that in the NHL with the Olympics as well. cant blame a player for being even more intense in a short tournyment.
 
BigDaddyAl1973 said:
WBC how many games....
Major League Season...162 games plus post season

this guy gets hammered about has lack of intensity or hustle...in his last seasons as a yankee he missed 14 games....
there is a lot of pride among the latino community to play for their country.
you see that in the NHL with the Olympics as well. cant blame a player for being even more intense in a short tournyment.
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...when you get the kind of contracts some of these players get, yes, you CAN blame them...it's called "professionalism".
 
yankeesince59 said:
...but that's not how Sherman painted it...and I'm still wrestling with the rationale that the Yanx somehow "disrespected" Cano.
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Rick2583 said:
I don't think he was so much booed for leaving as it was HOW he left, claiming that 7 years & $175M was an insult.
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Yankeefan5545 said:
Many Yankee Fans respected Cano, not our problem that he saw himself as disrespected. Not managements problem either, they mad him a pretty fair offer. One thing that is not mentioned is the fact that Cano may would have been heir apparent to being the man and I don't think he could handle that. I won't say he "sold out" he turned down a fair offer for better money but not necessarily a better situation.
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yankeesince59 said:
...evidently a plaque in Monument Park and almost certain enshrinement into Cooperstown were not enough to sway him.

...now he's playing in "Siberia" where I don't expect his numbers to be anywhere near the same.
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Rick2583 said:
There was also the possibility that he would have been the next Yankee captain.
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cagedlion said:
It was always about the money. To me, Cano was not a leader; he preferred
to be a follower; the attitude was ' just let me play baseball and I'm happy'.
It was his choice to leave. No one disrespected him....if the amount of money
offered him by Yankees was "disrespectful", that falls on his priorities and no
one else. He lost his chance to part of Yankee folklore; it was not important
to him. Have a good life. Adios.

BTW....I learned a whole lot about Cano when he showed an unusual
intensity playing for his country, Domenican Republic and his usual
casualness when playing for the Yankees. As a Yankee he always
had a lackadaisical persona; seldom showed any intensity.....I knew
then that he had another level to him which never came through
as a Yankee player. It was more important to play for his country
than to play for the Yankees. That's my take.
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Rick2583 said:
The thing that's such bullshit is that technically the Yankees offered him more..................

Yankees 7 years @ $175M = 25M per

Mariners 10 years @ $240M = 24M per
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yankeesince59 said:
...never really thought about it that way.

...but I have to agree that he seemed to have a different approach when playing in the WBC.
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Outstanding points, well said.

Possible retired number, monument in the park, more money per year, less years big deal?

All to play in "Siberia" with a promise, but no follow up/thru, to build a Team with a supporting cast. Robbie will die in obscurity, in SIBERIA aka Seattle....(there's a reason why Seattle is the suicide capital of the US). In this case, Career Suicide.
 
BigDaddyAl1973 said:
WBC how many games....
Major League Season...162 games plus post season

this guy gets hammered about has lack of intensity or hustle...in his last seasons as a yankee he missed 14 games....
there is a lot of pride among the latino community to play for their country.
you see that in the NHL with the Olympics as well. cant blame a player for being even more intense in a short tournyment.
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No doubt, I always admired Robbie's consistency playing in 160 games year after year, give or take a game or two. That much I admire(d).
 
The guy did everything one can do in ny. Won a championship. So he went for the money...you wouldnt? This thing about legacy...retired number monument... that's all bullshit. Its jealousy that is pouring out shouting how dare you walk away from new york. Every player should dream of being a Yankee. . Blah blah blah. Very few people. ..if not a handful, would turn down that deal...an additional 72 million. If you can honestly say you would. ..your a better person than me. So it brings me back to jealous hypocritical fans with the booing.

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BigDaddyAl1973 said:
The guy did everything one can do in ny. Won a championship. So he went for the money...you wouldnt? This thing about legacy...retired number monument... that's all bullshit. Its jealousy that is pouring out shouting how dare you walk away from new york. Every player should dream of being a Yankee. . Blah blah blah. Very few people. ..if not a handful, would turn down that deal...an additional 72 million. If you can honestly say you would. ..your a better person than me. So it brings me back to jealous hypocritical fans with the booing.

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...I'm really surprised that your fingers don't simply explode when you type...Robbie "won a championship"?...really?...love people who give individuals credit for TEAM accomplishments...lemme guess, you're referring to the 2009 post season...let's review;

ALDS .167 .167 .167 .333
ALCS .261 .414 .478 .892
WS-- .136 .130 .136 .267

...but yeah, Robbie "won a championship"...lmao.


...and this outpouring of "jealously" is only apparent in your alternate universe...why should Yankee fans be "jealous"?...you seem you be using the wrong terminology here...and I'm still waiting for you to explain how the Yankees "disrespected" Cano.
 
Did I say the yankees disrespected him...stop putting words in my mouth. Where did I say he was the reason the yankees won a championship? I said he won a championship here..what else is there for him to do here?

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You also jumped over my question...would you turn down another 70plus million?

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BigDaddyAl1973 said:
Did I say the yankees disrespected him...stop putting words in my mouth. Where did I say he was the reason the yankees won a championship? I said he won a championship here..what else is there for him to do here?

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...no one is putting words in your mouth, so please, just stop with the pity party...you know what I'm talking about...did you forget about the other thread. ...you pointed to him "winning a championship" (2009)...he was a non-factor, period...so I suppose using your logic, the bat boy also won a championship?...Now how are Yanx fans "jealous"?...do you have an actual answer or not?
 
BigDaddyAl1973 said:
You also jumped over my question...would you turn down another 70plus million?

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..I didn't "jump over" your question, I simply dismissed it as irrelevant.

...lemme dummy this down even more for you and try as best you can to wrap your head around this very simple concept...if Cano cared at all about the HOF, his legacy, etc., there should have been no offer from Seattle to begin with. If he had not considered money alone he would have taken the Yanx' $25 Mil per year...it was a fair offer.
...if you disagree with this, you are essentially saying that the ONLY consideration for players is how much money they can squeeze out of a team.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...no one is putting words in your mouth, so please, just stop with the pity party...you know what I'm talking about...did you forget about the other thread. ...you pointed to him "winning a championship" (2009)...he was a non-factor, period...so I suppose using your logic, the bat boy also won a championship?...Now how are Yanx fans "jealous"?...do you have an actual answer or not?
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Booing a player simply because he did what is best for him is being jealous. What are the goals of a player? To win a title? Check...to be a very good player...one of the best st his position...check...to make tons kf money...check. again...nobody on this board no in the stands who booed cano would turn down 70 milliom dollars. Your fooling youself if you think you wouldnt. Now he has a new challenge. Play in seattle, imagine if you can take off the center of the universe yankee glasses for a second, if he won in seattle....

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yankeesince59 said:
..I didn't "jump over" your question, I simply dismissed it as irrelevant.

...lemme dummy this down even more for you and try as best you can to wrap your head around this very simple concept...if Cano cared at all about the HOF, his legacy, etc., there should have been no offer from Seattle to begin with. If he had not considered money alone he would have taken the Yanx' $25 Mil per year...it was a fair offer.
...if you disagree with this, you are essentially saying that the ONLY consideration for players is how much money they can squeeze out of a team.
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Ive been to the HOF..guess what there are plenty of players in there that never wore the pinstripes. Cano can still have a legacy and be a hof'er without playing the rest of his career in the bronx.

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BigDaddyAl1973 said:
Booing a player simply because he did what is best for him is being jealous. What are the goals of a player? To win a title? Check...to be a very good player...one of the best st his position...check...to make tons kf money...check. again...nobody on this board no in the stands who booed cano would turn down 70 milliom dollars. Your fooling youself if you think you wouldnt. Now he has a new challenge. Play in seattle, imagine if you can take off the center of the universe yankee glasses for a second, if he won in seattle....

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...no, again, that's not "jealousy"... try contemptuous, big difference.

...and having a ring, being very good player were things he already had, and they were fruits of playing for the Yanx. A "making tons of money"?...are you saying that the Yanx's $175 offer was not a "ton of money"?


...and in case you have not noticed, you're on a YANKEES message board...and around here, yes, they ARE the "center of the universe".
 
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BigDaddyAl1973 said:
Ive been to the HOF..guess what there are plenty of players in there that never wore the pinstripes. Cano can still have a legacy and be a hof'er without playing the rest of his career in the bronx.

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...is there some sort of point there?...answer this simple question; Would Cano have been more assured of the HOF if he had remained in NY?...yes or no? If you say no, you implying that his numbers will be the same in Seattle.
 
So your saying as long as he plays in new york surrounded by talent he is a sure in with the hof...is that what your implying?

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